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Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Tim O'Connor
 

You're correct, Fred - standard PS-1 underframe. Chrysler trucks.

Microscale makes decals. Get out the airbrush ! :-)

Ross Dando makes the shock absorber part in resin for the Chrysler trucks.

On 4/24/2020 9:08 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

Charles Peck
 

What we do not know, and do not NEED to know is the operating purpose of 
these boilers.  If they are building heating boilers, they likely operate at 
15 to 30 PSI.  If they are power boilers, they possibly operate at 100 to 
200 PSI.  There would be a major difference in the thickness of materials 
used and thus difference in weight.  
You may well decide that yours are heating boilers and are a fairly light load.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:14 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

I have an HO scale Birchfield industrial fire tube boiler to use as a flat car or gondola load. It is a 3D printed model:

https://multiscale.digital/collections/ho-1-87/products/ho-scale-birchfield-industrial-fire-tube-boiler-flatcar-load

This is a very large boiler. It scales out at roughly 18 feet long, 13 feet high and 8 feet wide.

This photo shows as many as two of these large boilers and two smaller ones on a fifty-ton flat car:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807

Out of curiosity, what would one of these larger boilers weight?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Brian Carlson
 

Shoot. That’s what I get for posting before I’m fully awake. Fred you’re right these just had compartmentizers. I got them confused with the 1954 cars with the cushion under frame. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz


Re: For Sale Sunshine Models Vinegar Tankcar Kit

Dennis Storzek
 

The vinegar car has been sold.

Dennis Storzek


Re: former VGN cars?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dan,
 
don't know if it was there (but I believe), but I remember the story of using some of these cars for scrap iron movements. Someone said that the cars in that service were WAY overloaded - wich is easy to believe comparing the densitiy of scrap steel and that of coal, for which they originally were designed. Such a car FULLY loaded with scrap steel probabaly weighed in excess of 200 tons, and it has been stated that occasionally a car just broke in half at the short way from scrap loading to plant...
 
Johannes, sad that none of these cars has been preserved
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 um 15:26 Uhr
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Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?
A few of the big ex VGN “Battleship” gons ended up at Northwestern Steel & Wire in Rockford, IL. They were there in the early 1980’s at least, still showing some VGN lettering, being used for scrap iron movements within the plant, and terribly beat-up. They were being moved about by a bunch of ex GTW 0-8-0 and 2-8-2 steam locos, also in terrible shape.
 
Dan Mitchell
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On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
 
Hi List Members,
 
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
 
 
More information can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Resin Car Works update

O Fenton Wells
 

Always enjoy your blogs, thanks for sharing 
Fenton 


On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Bill Welch's PDF on Archer surface detail decals can be accessed via the RCW blog Helpful Links page. The latest blog post covers the info, plus an update on the Sunshine Models kit archive website progress.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: former VGN cars?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

A few of the big ex VGN “Battleship” gons ended up at Northwestern Steel & Wire in Rockford, IL. They were there in the early 1980’s at least, still showing some VGN lettering, being used for scrap iron movements within the plant, and terribly beat-up. They were being moved about by a bunch of ex GTW 0-8-0 and 2-8-2 steam locos, also in terrible shape.

Dan Mitchell
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On Apr 23, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
 
 
More information can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Richard McQuade
 

What a great shot! Thanks, James. It is interesting to see how the cars are spread out. Looks like not all might be 40' cars. The shed where I worked was built after WW2 so all of our cars were coupled together in a continuous string and were over 99% CPR cars - all 40' steel cars.
The other interesting item about this is the roofing material used on the freight shed. This is the second shot I've seen of a large shed with tarpaper roofing. Photos in the Vancouver BC public library collection show the same material being used on the main CPR Vancouver freight shed in 1915.
Richard


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 

Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz


For Sale Sunshine Models Vinegar Tankcar Kit

Dennis Storzek
 

The title says it all. I have one Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.2 Standard Brands Vinegar Tankcar with Red Decals, unbuilt, new in box for sale. I'd like $45 plus shipping and take Paypal. PLEASE REPLY OFF LIST to destorzek@.... First e-mail I receive gets it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Brian Carlson
 

Kadee has stated several times are not doing those cars and the other cars with the experimental features because they’d have to tool a new underframe. Maybe in time they will change their mind.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Yes, and not one of them is 100% prototipical...
Asked Kadee several times , but was ignored as usual.
Fred Jansz


Re: P2k "Time Saver" kits

Dennis Storzek
 

Thanks to all that replied, both on and off list. It looks like the partial assembly fell short of moving these kits into the "easy build" category, so I think I'll stick with describing them as "partially assembled" and leave it at that.

Dennis Storzek


Resin Car Works update

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch's PDF on Archer surface detail decals can be accessed via the RCW blog Helpful Links page. The latest blog post covers the info, plus an update on the Sunshine Models kit archive website progress.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?

vapeurchapelon
 

Bob,
 
having built and repaired lots of (steam locomotive) boilers a long time ago, I wouldn't say these boilers are very large. Even by allowing a certain surcharge to the wall thickness (don't know the operating pressure) I would estimate around 15 tons for the larger type, 20 tons at the most, and less than half of that for the smaller type.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 um 05:06 Uhr
Von: "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?
You are correct and thanks for catching that. A second set of eyes always helps.

The dimensions I listed are calculated from the Multi Scale website so the boilers in the photo, which are on their website, are smaller that the scale of the model.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: former VGN cars?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Gary,
 
these cars are indeed former VGN battleship gons because of their 6-wheel trucks (and their height and other proportions). The C&IM gons were much lower and rode on 4-wheel trucks (as Frank already pointed out).
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2020 um 01:40 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?

More likely C&IM gondolas that were akin to the VGN types.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?

 

Hi List Members,

 

Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.

 

 

More information can be found at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: former VGN cars?

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I'm surprised nobody has commented that the left hand "Battleship" gondola is lettered USN. I suppose it's appropriate letter on a battleship. (Ewwww!)  I'm supposing that these cars were sold off to the gummint during WWII for on-base use (interchange use should have required USNX reporting marks).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:40 PM gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

More likely C&IM gondolas that were akin to the VGN types.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:09 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?

 

Hi List Members,

 

Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.

 

 

More information can be found at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 

Yes, and not one of them is 100% prototipical...
Asked Kadee several times , but was ignored as usual.
Fred Jansz


Re: P2k "Time Saver" kits

Rob & Bev Manley
 

The War Emergency 2-Bay hoppers were also Timesavers. The brake detailing and underframe was assembled with the body. 

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Thursday, April 23, 2020, 10:19:58 PM CDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


And the steel weight is separate and securely taped to the  bottom of the box.  It gets glued to the top of the floor / underframe assembly.

Todd Sullivan


Re: B&O P-25D in HO

Craig Wilson
 

B&O cars were modified specifically for "gypsum wallboard" loading in the 1950's when a large gypsum deposit was discovered near Shoals Indiana.  Note that the Intermountain model has "Return to B&O RR Shoals Ind" lettering.  Both National Gypsum (Gold Bond products) and US Gypsum(USG "Sheetrock") built plants in that area and the railroad built a long, long spur to serve those plants (can be seen on Google Earth aerial views).

These cars served other National Gypsum and USG plants around the country.  I have a photo of two of these B&O cars with "Gold Bond" loads at Portsmouth Maine in the 1960's.

Craig Wilson


Re: P2k "Time Saver" kits

Todd Sullivan
 

And the steel weight is separate and securely taped to the  bottom of the box.  It gets glued to the top of the floor / underframe assembly.

Todd Sullivan

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