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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

     With Todd having raised questions about the Santa Fe's 50 ft. Auto/Furniture cars I'd like to raise some
further questions. When I was in high school I used to keep a record of the reporting marks and car numbers
of none home road cars I saw at various points within New England and now wish they had been saved. The 
specific reason for this today is that I do not remember seeing that many 50 ft.cars of any type in Northern
New England. Logically it would seem that automobiles being delivered to dealerships in smaller towns in the
region could have come in either 40 or 50 Auto cars. That said it would also seem that the 50 ft. auto cars 
used wo;d have been from roads like the GTW, NYC, Erie and possibly a few LV cars. Did the PM, DT&I,
AA or Wabash even roster such cars? The PM had some 50 ft. cars but they were largeky restricted for 
the PM"s Canadian lines having been constructed in Canada.The DT&I had over 200 50 ft. auto cars some 
of which were set up to handle auto parts and could have gone to the Ford Assembly plant in Somerville or 
the GMC plant in Framingham, MA  but I don't know that for certain. I have fnd n record for the AA having any 
50 ft. box cars while the Wabash had some 150 auto cars or 50 ft. in length 25 of which were even equipped 
with end doors but Wabash cars in my experience were a rare  car in Northern New England. Can anyone 
speak definitively about this? If cars from other roads of this specific design were to be found in the region 
what is a likely cargo for them? I realize there were some 50 ft. cars of lumber received from the Pacific 
Northwest but the only 50 ft. cars I remember in this service were No. Pac. cars purchased 2nd hand of the 
Pennsy's round roof variety, the last such car I saw having been in Arlington, Mass. in 1972, 25 years after the 
period I model. It would seem that Sou. Pac. or UP cars of this type might be a possibility with lumber out of 
Oregon but I can't think what a Santa Fe car, for example, might have carried. Who might have some thoughts 
for loads in cars of this type from Western roads?

My est, Don Valentine




Re: Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Circa 1984 the business I worked for was hard by the C&O's mountain division. Eastbound trains waiting to enter the small yard in Charlottesville would often stop behind our building, either waiting for the signals to clear at the Southern crossing, or for the yard to open. One day to my surprise there was a Cambria & Indiana hopper stopped right behind the store. Since it was eastbound, I'm assuming it was loaded and bound for Newport News. I'm still looking for the negative, but here's a scan from the print.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:32 PM George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Recently there was talk about anthracite hoppers in Iowa, I believe.  Not Iowa, but far from home. 
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/426984/




George Courtney


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Jim Gates
 

Specifically, the 200 Fe-24 delivered for passenger service came with the Allied Full Cushion. The other 300 came with Barber S2 trucks. When 100 of these were modified for passenger service some got A-3 trucks. And most of the original passenger service cars either traded with the remaining freight ones or received A-3 trucks. All the Allied full Cushions disappeared in the late 40s. There are pictures of Fe-24 cars with other experimental trucks in the late 40s, these were short lived one shots.

Jim Gates

On Friday, April 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Todd Sullivan wrote:

I have been looking on the web for several days trying to find clear photos of Santa Fe's class Fe-24 and Fe-28 50' double door boxcars.  I have a kit for each (P2K for Fe-24, Branchline for Fe-28), and I need to know what kind of trucks each one had, and check out other details before I proceed with the builds.

    The FE-24 cars got ASF A-3 trucks later (many were delivered with Allied Full Cushion). The -28s were delivered with A-3. This from the Hendrickson book on ATSF auto cars.

Tony Thompson




Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you, Tony, Ben & Ron.  The photos are very helpful.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

mopacfirst
 

Here's what some of them looked like near the end: 

Many of them got sidesill reinforcement that looked basically as if they'd been built that way.  And I think these are still A-3 trucks.

Ron Merrick


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Richard McQuade
 

Thanks. Just that it looks like it. I didn't know about the material you've mentioned.
Richard


Freight Classification for sale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I have one coppy of the Uniform Freight Classification #2; Ratings, Rules and Regulations issued Oct 12, 1953. 514 pages, 8x11", with soft covers.

The book appears to give definations to varous commidity groups.

Only have one copy. $20.00 plus $5.00 post if needed.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields

George Courtney
 

Recently there was talk about anthracite hoppers in Iowa, I believe.  Not Iowa, but far from home. 
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/426984/




George Courtney


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Benjamin Hom
 

Todd Sullivan asked:
"I have been looking on the web for several days trying to find clear photos of Santa Fe's class Fe-24 and Fe-28 50' double door boxcars.  I have a kit for each (P2K for Fe-24, Branchline for Fe-28), and I need to know what kind of trucks each one had, and check out other details before I proceed with the builds. Can anyone help?"

Richard Hendrickson's article in the October 1995 issue of Railmodel Journal has a Frank Ellington collection photo of an Fe-24 converted to express service still in freight lettering (pages 22-23).


Ben Hom


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan wrote:

I have been looking on the web for several days trying to find clear photos of Santa Fe's class Fe-24 and Fe-28 50' double door boxcars.  I have a kit for each (P2K for Fe-24, Branchline for Fe-28), and I need to know what kind of trucks each one had, and check out other details before I proceed with the builds.

    The FE-24 cars got ASF A-3 trucks later (many were delivered with Allied Full Cushion). The -28s were delivered with A-3. This from the Hendrickson book on ATSF auto cars.

Tony Thompson




Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Todd Sullivan
 

I have been looking on the web for several days trying to find clear photos of Santa Fe's class Fe-24 and Fe-28 50' double door boxcars.  I have a kit for each (P2K for Fe-24, Branchline for Fe-28), and I need to know what kind of trucks each one had, and check out other details before I proceed with the builds.

Can anyone help?

Many thanks,

Todd Sullivan


Re: B&O P-25D in HO

Fran Giacoma
 

Great looking car, Jim. The weathering is superb and very realistic looking. I look forward to your article in Issue 52 of the B&O Modeler.

Fran Giacoma


Re: B&O P-25D in HO

Jim King
 

Thanks, Eric. 

 

I used Micro Scale’s TF-2 (black) which is shown as out of stock on their web site.  Any blank decal paper can be used, just paint it the color you want.  For my application, I taped off a small section of TF-2 with blue painter’s tape and shot the uncovered area with Rust-Oleum Crystal Clear Enamel to get a glossy finish.  When dry, I cut out panels sized to be a tad bigger than the “restenciled” characters and applied it like any other decal.  The white graphics went on next.  I’ve seen many examples of brown patches on black cars and the reverse.  Whatever the car shop guys had handy is what got used quite often.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 

ERic Werner's RR Innovations (& Intermountain) did the three 1954 orange cars: 1963, 1965 and 1970. These are rare birds now.
Fred Jansz


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   What makes you think the freight shed roof was tar paper covered? A heavier paper with granulated slate 
just like architect shingles have is available in roll form as well in the same width as a roll of tar paper and 
would make a lot more sense where something more than temporary covering was needed.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Richard Townsend
 

Who is ASM?


On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Thank you for saving my skin Tim.

ASM makes a very nice brass Chrysler truck, which is a steal especially for your wallet.

Now for completeness:

- 1951: WP 20801-20820; all silver, orange feather, slogan
- 1952: renumbered into 19501-19520

- 1951: WP 20821-21400; red w. black ends & roof
- 1952: 22 random cars renumbered into 19521-19542 and repainted; black ends & rood, silver sides w. orange feather & slogan

- May 1953: WP 19537 rebuilt by Pullman and fitted with Timken roller bearing trucks; silver roof & sides, black ends, 'roller freight' logo.

This last car was initiated a couple of years ago by Eric Werner (partly with my info) and built by Intermountain.
However, the car doesn't have the roller bearing trucks, which were supposed to be supplied by Rapido.

My question why Kadee never did the silver WP car with the feather is probably answered by the fact that there were no Chrysler trucks available.

Take care, cheers,
Fred Jansz
<roller freight wp.jpg>


Re: early CBQ cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Rupert and All-

A very neat photo!   I believe that this is the first C&I lettered car/equipment that I’ve seen.  Wonder what the line under the herald reads…too long for just C&I.   Maybe C&I LESSOR?

The panel on the door does indeed say AIR BRAKE as the lettering on 26519 is pretty visible.

Thanks,

Charlie

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] early CBQ cars

 

Claus

Thanks for this link but I think it may be too old for some members.

Box car 26519 was built by Wells & French in 1891 (26503-26753), while 26259 behind it (if that is the correct number) was built the same year by Missouri Car & Foundry (26003-26502). Both were 34’ cars, and I think the light panel at the top of the side doors announces that they were equipped with air brakes. Both cars would be placed in class XM-3 when the company introduced classes in 1910-11.

The Burlington Route herald on the side of 26259 has the initials “CB&QRR” underneath, a practice which disappeared about the end of the century. Other companies within the Burlington group used the same herald but with their own initials.

The car to the left beyond the gondola (listed as a “coal car” up to 1905) is a Chicago & Iowa box car probably built in about 1880, with an inside length of 27’ 5½”. The company was leased to the Burlington on 1 January 1892 but the equipment was no longer listed in ORER’s by March 1894, which may help date the photo. The cars were renumbered variously as CB&Q 9564-9958 and the last one of this group survived until 1912.

If anyone can more accurately date the end use of company initials under the Burlington Route herald, I would be grateful to hear from them.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

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Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Brian and Friends,

AFAIK, besides 19537, the only other experimental cars on the WP were two 40' PS-1s with 6' doors, numbered 1952-1953. These had two versions of Pullman's early cushioned underframe. These were leased by the WP circa 1952 for in-service testing (they don't show in Ed Hawkins' list of PS-1 boxcars, probably because they were built on a Pullman work order to their own account rather than a sales order). They were painted orange with a medium-silver feather to the right of the door (MDC once did this scheme on their rather horrid 40' boxcar). Eventually the WP bought the two cars. One was wrecked, but the other lasted through the 1960s. 

The 1954 cars you mentioned were probably not experiments. These were 40' PS-1s with 8' doors, Compartmentizers and cushioned underframes, numbered 1961-1970. They were painted orange with the huge silver feather, basically a reversal of the silver cars, and apparently had black ends and roofs. In 1959 the cars received DF-2 restrainers, and were repainted into the medium orange feather scheme that that 19501-19542 wore after 1957.

One reason these and the 19501-series were not repeated was that in late 1954 the WP was committed to 50' boxcars. The only other 40' boxcars the WP purchased were AC&F-built 3421-3422, with DF-2 loaders and 8' doors delivered in 1960. These were specifically built for appliance loading out of Galesburg, Illinois.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:05 AM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Shoot. That’s what I get for posting before I’m fully awake. Fred you’re right these just had compartmentizers. I got them confused with the 1954 cars with the cushion under frame. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 24, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Didn't know this was an experimental car.
As far as I know WP 20801-20820 was a regular 1951 PS-1 order with an experimental WP paint scheme.
Fred Jansz


Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks for (super)detailed info Garth.
Fred Jansz

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