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Re: Kingan packing

np328
 

Very good point Tony,
    and one with meet reefers that I have not looked too terribly deeply into.    Jim Dick  


Re: Kingan packing

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Dick wrote:

      Please do not rule out that the car in question could be carrying drugs, printers ink, magazines, etc.  

     These are certainly cargoes that traveled in reefers, serving as insulated boxcars in the days before those were common. But in meat cars? I would think that the owner, or the lessee, would concentrate on their own products, not make the cars available for general service. Jim, do you know that meat cars were so used?
      Railroad-owned or leased reefers, on the other hand, would definitely handle these loads.

Tony Thompson




Re: Rapido NP boxcar

Dean ONeill
 
Edited

Here is another photo of the trucks, this from the prototype (along with others) used by Rapido. 

Dean ONeill
Redmond WA


Re: Kingan packing

np328
 

      Please do not rule out that the car in question could be carrying drugs, printers ink, magazines, etc.  

Look at this list in the files: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files/Perishable%20Commodities,%20definition%20and%20list%20of  I uploaded some time ago. 
And note on the scanned page eleven, the key for commodities that need to be protected from both heat and cold.  It is only three years distant from your date, and closer to your modeled time than me, however should be applicable. 

     I wondered years ago about if I had too many reefers, and I still think I do. However after researching and then presenting on what I had found years ago on reefer travels, and finding the above data and much, much, more, I came to the conclusion that it was not as severe as I thought it was and by swapping out cars, it could be both, dealt with with different cars rotated through, and thereby some freshness introduced by not having the same cars rotate through yards and so on.

     As you are also modeling a through route (IIRC from your excellent CCB presentation many years ago,) you do need some through traffic as do I.  The cheapest through traffic cars in real $$ are the ones you own now.                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Kingan packing

Brian Carlson
 

My question really is where were kingan products being distributed or where the branch houses were. The photos in Gene Greene’s book are from 1954 after the sale the hygrade. 

I found a 1923 list of Branch houses and Kingan had some listed in NJ and NYC that could have traveled over the Erie. 

Sigh, boxcars are easier.  Lol. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 26, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

I guess it depends on how aggressively Hygrade had General American repaint the Kingan reefers.  I suspect that it would have taken a few years.  You have 5 years between Hygrade's acquisition in 1952 and yoiur year, there might be a few still in Kingan lettering.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Kingan packing

Todd Sullivan
 

I guess it depends on how aggressively Hygrade had General American repaint the Kingan reefers.  I suspect that it would have taken a few years.  You have 5 years between Hygrade's acquisition in 1952 and yoiur year, there might be a few still in Kingan lettering.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Rapido NP boxcar

Fred Jansz
 
Edited

Thanks for the hint!
Bought an undec version two years ago, was looking for decals!
Fred Jansz

PS: Ted Culotta has an interesting blog about this car: http://prototopics.blogspot.com/search/label/Northern%20Pacific


Re: Kingan packing

Brian Carlson
 

I probably should’ve added that, 1957.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:

Hi Brian,

What year do you model?

Todd Sullian


Re: Kingan packing

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Brian,

What year do you model?

Todd Sullian


Re: 2020 St. Louis RPM Update: PLEASE READ

hubert mask
 

Thanks guys.  Be safe and stay well.

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc.


On Apr 26, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Daniel Kohlberg <dan@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

 

Note: Feel free to forward this around to your friends and other groups / social media -- and please include the entire message!

 

First, The Bad News:

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic, we have made the decision to cancel the 2020 St. Louis RPM for July 31-August 1.

 

We have a responsibility in our community to reduce the spread of the virus and prioritize the health and safety of our families, attendees, vendors, clinicians and staff.   We made our decision based on recommendations from the local health authorities, the WHO and CDC.

 

Now, the Good News:

We have already signed the contract for the 2021 St. Louis RPM for July 30-31 2021 at the same Gateway Center in Collinsville IL.

 

In the meantime:

Keep building models and working on layouts. Let's make 2021 our biggest and best St. Louis RPM EVER. We'll see you there....

 

The St. Louis RPM website remains the best place to go for updates as we finalize the Clinicians, Vendors, Hotel Info and other details for 2021:

www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm

 

Stay safe everyone.

 

Thank you,

Lonnie Bathurst

John Golden

Daniel Kohlberg

Dave Roeder

 

 

 


Kingan packing

Brian Carlson
 

When Rapido brought out there first two runs of the GARX meet refers I Purchased several that were painted appropriate for my error. I’m trying to refine my modeling now that I know more now than I did then. I have a kingan car. I know kingan was headquartered in Indy and were acquired by Hygrade in 1952.

Modeling the Erie Main in NW Pennsylvania and a Pennsy secondary. What I’m interested in knowing is where the Branch house and other distribution points would be, (internet search is not helping, yet) and whether or not the car in appropriate in my area or should go to the sell box. Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests

Larry Buell
 

Rob,

How are those NP Stock Cars coming along…??

LB


2020 St. Louis RPM Update: PLEASE READ

Daniel Kohlberg
 

Hello Everyone,

 

Note: Feel free to forward this around to your friends and other groups / social media -- and please include the entire message!

 

First, The Bad News:

Due to the COVID-19 global pandemic, we have made the decision to cancel the 2020 St. Louis RPM for July 31-August 1.

 

We have a responsibility in our community to reduce the spread of the virus and prioritize the health and safety of our families, attendees, vendors, clinicians and staff.   We made our decision based on recommendations from the local health authorities, the WHO and CDC.

 

Now, the Good News:

We have already signed the contract for the 2021 St. Louis RPM for July 30-31 2021 at the same Gateway Center in Collinsville IL.

 

In the meantime:

Keep building models and working on layouts. Let's make 2021 our biggest and best St. Louis RPM EVER. We'll see you there....

 

The St. Louis RPM website remains the best place to go for updates as we finalize the Clinicians, Vendors, Hotel Info and other details for 2021:

www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm

 

Stay safe everyone.

 

Thank you,

Lonnie Bathurst

John Golden

Daniel Kohlberg

Dave Roeder

 

 

 


Re: Rapido NP boxcar

leakinmywaders
 

Yes, with exceedingly rare exceptions these cars kept the original trucks well into the 1960s and 1970s, by which time most were renumbered and operating in company service.

I agonized a while over the truck details as well, but after a trial and inspection decided to go with the stock Rapido trucks, and have been happy with that choice. 

I’ve been adding a few small details to the model as well, including the bracket or stirrup under the bottom of the vertical brake shaft at the B end sill, the retainer valve under the side sill at the door opening (opposite the triple valve), and for cars so modified starting in the late 1950s, elongate  rectangular corner straps to replace the triangular corner straps on the car sides. 

For those wanting to change car numbers or reweigh data, or do other lettering modifications on the Rapido boxcars, the NPRHA Company Store offers an excellent decal set for that purpose. 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT 


Re: Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:13:45 -0400, you wrote:

I wonder if this is just a pandemic thing or are they leaving the parts business forever. My club use wheir wheels extensively.
Their wheels aren't parts, they are a product.

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/wheels.htm


Re: Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

There are other choices for 0.088 wheels in bulk !! I bought several bags from Moloco last year
and they are good looking (front and back), blackened wheels.

I think the change in IRC policy may be due to the change in management - Frank retired.

Tim O'Connor



On 4/25/2020 7:13 PM, Andy Miller wrote:

I wonder if this is just a pandemic thing or are they leaving the parts business forever.  My club use wheir wheels extensively.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Mller



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Tim O'Connor
 


Stephen, thanks for that information ! Your timeline regarding the
Allied FC trucks may be off. Here, an August 1952 photo of ATSF 4182
still in passenger service.

Tim O'Connor



On 4/25/2020 3:04 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

According to Richard Hendrickson: “The first 200 FE-24s were delivered with steam and signal lines, marker lamp brackets, and special paint jobs for passenger express service.…The Santa Fe’s passenger-equipped FE-24s numbered 10000-10199 had Allied Full Cushion pedestal trucks and were painted coach green (dark olive) with black roofs and underbodies. Stenciling was Dulux gold and included the system maps and slogans that were then being applied to all of the Santa Fe’s box, automobile, and refrigerator cars….The other 300 FE-24s numbered 10200-10499 were assigned to general merchandise service and painted the usual freight scheme… When the volume of express shipments grew dramatically after…WWI, the Santa Fe installed passenger equipment on another hundred FE-24s in 1943 and assigned them to express service. Shortly afterward, all of the FE-24 express cars were given passenger car numbers in the 4100-4399 series, leaving on the FE-24s numbered 10300-10499 in the freight car pool. Also as they were repainted, the express cars lost their maps and slogans. About the same time, there was a great flurry of truck swapping among the FE-24s. It had been found that the Allied Full Cushion trucks, though smoother riding than conventional freight trucks, were prone to derailment. When the truck manufacturer was unable to cure this problem, the Santa Fe equipped the express service FE-24s with Barber S-2 Stabilized freight trucks removed from freight service FE-24s, supplemented with some new ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks. The Allied trucks removed from the express car fleet were then installed on FE-24s in the freight car fleet. When derailment problems with Allied trucks persisted even at freight train speeds, they were taken out of service entirely in the late 1940s and were banned by the AAR in interchange service by the mid-1950s…. Four different trucks were installed on four express service FE-24s in the late 1940s: 4108 had Keystone trucks, 4197 had Chrysler FR-5-D trucks, 4230 had LFM trucks, and 4281 had Scullin trucks. None of these trucks performed significantly better than the Barber and ASF freight trucks to justify their added expense and all of the FE-24s in both express and freight service eventually ended up rolling on Barber S-2 and ASF A-3 freight trucks with built in bolster snubbers. Then in the mid-1960s express FE-24s in the 4100-4178 series were equipped with roller bearing trucks.”

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests

mel perry
 

nothing says you have to buy intermountain, let the bean counters
figure it out
mel perry


Re: Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests

Paul Krueger
 

They won't sell them one at a time, but I expect they'd be open to a business proposition from someone to buy them in bulk for resale.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Non-Freight Car Photo ID

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

At this risk of jail time, I want to ask if anyone can help with the identification of the locomotive in the attached photo. I picked up the print in a seconds box. Eventually, I will Photoshop out all the scratches. As much as I hate computers, the do have their uses.

If you can help PLEASE EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT mallardlodge1000@... . PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL THROUGH THE GROUP.

Thanks in advance.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆
(From my address, you now know why I use this duck emoji)

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