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Re: NKP rebuilt box

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Clarification:  My question on color was in regards to the as built cars.

Thanks again:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Carlson via groups.io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:56 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box

Yes NKP rebuilt some (goal was 100 cars, not sure if all were done) war emergency cars into this configuration in 1964.  beyond the end of this list.

Brian J. Carlson
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.
>
>
>> On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
>> Found this interesting car on line.
>>
>> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>>
>> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>>
>> Ron Merrick
>
>
> --
> *Tim O'Connor*
> *Sterling, Massachusetts*
>
>
>





Re: NKP rebuilt box

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I know that the ends and underbody on these cars were black.  Was rhe roof black as well?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box


Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.


On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
> Found this interesting car on line.
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>
> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>
> Ron Merrick


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Here are two photos of Allied Full Cushion trucks under converted troop sleepers.

BAR C10 is a summer cabin near Tilton, New Hampshire, among a bunch of (mostly) restored cabooses on the old B&M line to Lincoln. The track belongs to the state and is mothballed, except for an occasional movement to the leased portions used the Clark family's two tourist railroads and their occasional "leaf peeper specials" in the autumn.

C&O camp car X1029 was resident in the yard at Charlottesville, seen here about 1985. The yard was downsized and demoted from a crew change point shortly after this photo. All the really cool old MW equipment was then scrapped.

I'm moving on to scanning my C&O negatives shortly. Lots of old MW boxcars in this section. I will be glad to share the photos of cars appropriate to our era if people here are interested. Sadly, I only had pocket camera at that time. The photos aren't the sharpest, but at least I got 'em, and Photoshop can do some amazing things to marginal images.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Brass dealer

Scott Kremer
 

If you are looking for a comprehensive brass dealer try brasstrains.com.  I have done a lot of business with them and they are outstanding.  I have purchased from them and sold to them.

Have fun,

Scott Kremer

On Apr 27, 2020, at 1:29 PM, David North <david.north@...> wrote:

Someone recently had a link in their post to a brass model train dealer.
I can’t find the post now or remember the dealer’s name(senior moments abound.)
Does anyone remember posting or seeing said post, please?
Cheers
Dave


Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

A 1950 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17156/rec/596

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Very good detail of the door on the SP B-50-18 boxcar.

The bags on the hand truck are mineral insulation.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Curt Fortenberry
 


Given the condition of the cars, I'll predict the ARR wreck was probably early 50's.  I can't read the reweigh date on that one car, but it might be mid-50's.  ARR used these trucks well into the 1990's, even early 2000's on the MOW cars; cars with these trucks captive to AK naturally.  ARR still has former troop cars in MOW service, but the ones I've seen in the last decade have been given newer trucks.  I would suspect the track was the culprit back then.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: NKP rebuilt box

Brian Carlson
 

The intermountain model is accurate for the NKP. All of them stayed as built thru the 1950’s. Later there steel side rebuilds and coke cars but those happen in the future. 

Some additional lettering can be added to the NKP cars on the ends and the trust info on the sides.  
As a 200 car class it is in the minority so you probably only need one. 

Eastern Ohio trains still had some in stock last I checked. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 27, 2020, at 12:51 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

So a related question.  Sorry I can't look this up since my NKP-(Wabash?) color guide is in storage and so are my old MRding, which IIRC had an article on the War Emergency boxcars.  Did substantial numbers of these cars last until at least the late fifties in unrebuilt form, and how accurate is the Intermountain model?  I did not acquire one when they appeared, either because I didn't think I needed one or because there was some major flaw in the model.

Ron Merrick


Brass dealer

David North
 

Someone recently had a link in their post to a brass model train dealer.

I can’t find the post now or remember the dealer’s name(senior moments abound.)

Does anyone remember posting or seeing said post, please?

Cheers

Dave


Re: ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)

vapeurchapelon
 

This of course is very true, Bruce. I suspect both trucks and wheelsets come from the same company (in China or South Korea) and the wheel sets are nickel plated as is usual in the brass business. Of course this doesn't mean better looking wheels wouldn't be possible.
I strongly assume they are needle point as the blunt end wheels in freight and passenger trucks are history since a fairly long time - even on brass models (which doesn't mean that a lot or even most of them still don't roll well...)
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. April 2020 um 15:31 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
Johannes,
 
Someone selling beautiful trucks might want to consider the option of selling them with better looking wheels 😉 Just suggesting... if Tahoe can do it, other folks can as well. If we don't ask, we won't get what we want...
 
It's also not clear that the axles are needlepoint, nor is an axle length given. Having lost our source of a variety of length axles in Reebox, I'm sensitive to the length issue as I am not all that fond of having wheels flop around in trucks.
 
BTW, folks need to be careful when substituting wheels. I note that the wheel sets in these brass trucks are insulated on both sides, probably to help reduce the electric shorting issues.
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
 
Hello Bruce,
 
I would think that Intermountain wheel sets would fit nicely, e. g. (Or just email Mr Davis and ask for axle length.)
For someone considering to spend $40 for a pair of freight car trucks the extra 3 bucks for new wheel sets shouldn't hurt... ;-)
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2020 um 23:32 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
Very pretty, except for the fat wheels. Sadly no indication of semi scale wheels being available.
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
 
Fred

They're very pretty - have you ROLL TESTED them? Some brass trucks roll
well.

And many don't roll worth a damn. So which are these? ;-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/24/2020 4:15 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
> American Scale Models.
> Fred Jansz
> https://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



 


Re: NKP rebuilt box

mopacfirst
 

So a related question.  Sorry I can't look this up since my NKP-(Wabash?) color guide is in storage and so are my old MRding, which IIRC had an article on the War Emergency boxcars.  Did substantial numbers of these cars last until at least the late fifties in unrebuilt form, and how accurate is the Intermountain model?  I did not acquire one when they appeared, either because I didn't think I needed one or because there was some major flaw in the model.

Ron Merrick


Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Bob Chaparro
 

Allied Full Cushion Trucks - Alaska Railroad

Slide down to photos 52 through 62 on this link:

https://www.alaskarails.org/historical2/Strong/index2.html

These are wreck photos and the suspect possibly were the Allied Full Cushion Trucks.

I am unable to decipher the dates on the freight cars but perhaps someone else can date the photos.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: NKP rebuilt box

Brian Carlson
 

Yes NKP rebuilt some (goal was 100 cars, not sure if all were done) war emergency cars into this configuration in 1964. beyond the end of this list.

Brian J. Carlson

On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.


On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
Found this interesting car on line.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg

Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?

Ron Merrick

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



Re: NKP rebuilt box

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.

On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
Found this interesting car on line.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg

Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?

Ron Merrick
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Kingan packing

Bob Chaparro
 

"Please do not rule out that the car in question could be carrying drugs, printers ink, magazines, etc. "
Those commodities were much more likely to be backhaul loads in produce (RS) reefers. Very unlikely they would have been hauled in captive service meat reefers.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: CIM Container Gondola 15001

mel perry
 

looks like a shortened version of a
rebuilt usra gon
mel perry

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 10:31 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

CIM Container Gondola 15001

A fair quality undated photo from Richard Leonard’s Rail Archive:

https://www.railarchive.net/cimbook/page-m37.htm

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


NKP rebuilt box

mopacfirst
 

Found this interesting car on line.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg

Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] CIM Container Gondola 15001

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

 

I cannot enlarge, but this interesting car, which I have other photos of, appears to have a rebuild date of July 1960.  Is that correct?  Does anyone have any idea what service it was rebuilt for?  Did C&IM have connection to Chicago-area steel mills?  Was there on-line dolomite production?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] CIM Container Gondola 15001

 

CIM Container Gondola 15001

A fair quality undated photo from Richard Leonard’s Rail Archive:

Blockedhttps://www.railarchive.net/cimbook/page-m37.htm

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

Someone selling beautiful trucks might want to consider the option of selling them with better looking wheels 😉 Just suggesting... if Tahoe can do it, other folks can as well. If we don't ask, we won't get what we want...

It's also not clear that the axles are needlepoint, nor is an axle length given. Having lost our source of a variety of length axles in Reebox, I'm sensitive to the length issue as I am not all that fond of having wheels flop around in trucks.

BTW, folks need to be careful when substituting wheels. I note that the wheel sets in these brass trucks are insulated on both sides, probably to help reduce the electric shorting issues.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 8:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
 
Hello Bruce,
 
I would think that Intermountain wheel sets would fit nicely, e. g. (Or just email Mr Davis and ask for axle length.)
For someone considering to spend $40 for a pair of freight car trucks the extra 3 bucks for new wheel sets shouldn't hurt... ;-)
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2020 um 23:32 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
Very pretty, except for the fat wheels. Sadly no indication of semi scale wheels being available.
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
 
Fred

They're very pretty - have you ROLL TESTED them? Some brass trucks roll
well.

And many don't roll worth a damn. So which are these? ;-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/24/2020 4:15 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
> American Scale Models.
> Fred Jansz
> https://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



 


Re: ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Bruce,
 
I would think that Intermountain wheel sets would fit nicely, e. g. (Or just email Mr Davis and ask for axle length.)
For someone considering to spend $40 for a pair of freight car trucks the extra 3 bucks for new wheel sets shouldn't hurt... ;-)
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2020 um 23:32 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
Very pretty, except for the fat wheels. Sadly no indication of semi scale wheels being available.
Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
 
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ASM Chrysler trucks (was WP Boxcar 20807)
 
Fred

They're very pretty - have you ROLL TESTED them? Some brass trucks roll
well.

And many don't roll worth a damn. So which are these? ;-)

Tim O'Connor


On 4/24/2020 4:15 PM, Fred Jansz wrote:
> American Scale Models.
> Fred Jansz
> https://americanscalemodels.com/HO/HO_Detail_Parts/Trucks?product_id=1855


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



 


Allied Full Cushion truck prohibition, was Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

Guy Wilber
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:

“I was quoting Richard Hendrickson in my earlier reply. I too would question the late date for the Allied trucks.”

Allied Full Cushion trucks were prohibited in interchange on January 1, 1959.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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