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Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Bill Welch
 

With Branchline's permission I used their rectangular and diagonal paneled roofs to make the MEC and LNE roof patterns for the Speedwitch conversion kits and while the panels of the diagonal paneled roof do not line up exactly they are very close and that area is covered by the running board anyway so someone has to look very closely to see the mis-match.

Bill Welch
To clarify the outer edges of the diagonal panels line up exactly and indeed I used the outer edges to get each half aligned before joining them. The interior edges of the diagonal are slightly misaligned.

Bill Welch


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks a lot Bill, learned a lot yesterday and more today 
Fenton 


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:10 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Ben Hom wrote: "This is why Ted's kit was so valuable as the diagonal panel roofs of the LNE and MEC cars are sized to fit these narrower cars.  You can't take a roof from a 40 ft postwar AAR boxcar and narrow it via splitting it down the center as the panels no longer line up.  An alternate approach might be to take a 50 ft diagonal panel roof and shorten it as they're slightly narrower, but this might still be too wide."

With Branchline's permission I used their rectangular and diagonal paneled roofs to make the MEC and LNE roof patterns for the Speedwitch conversion kits and while the panels of the diagonal paneled roof do not line up exactly they are very close and that area is covered by the running board anyway so someone has to look very closely to see the mis-match.

Bill Welch


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Bill Welch
 

Ben Hom wrote: "This is why Ted's kit was so valuable as the diagonal panel roofs of the LNE and MEC cars are sized to fit these narrower cars.  You can't take a roof from a 40 ft postwar AAR boxcar and narrow it via splitting it down the center as the panels no longer line up.  An alternate approach might be to take a 50 ft diagonal panel roof and shorten it as they're slightly narrower, but this might still be too wide."

With Branchline's permission I used their rectangular and diagonal paneled roofs to make the MEC and LNE roof patterns for the Speedwitch conversion kits and while the panels of the diagonal paneled roof do not line up exactly they are very close and that area is covered by the running board anyway so someone has to look very closely to see the mis-match.

Bill Welch


Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

No 40 foot mechanical reefers in HO scale in plastic, resin or brass.

And darn few in the prototype, short-lived too. Maybe the HO prevalence is connected?

Tony Thompson




Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

mopacfirst
 

Not only that, but this is one of those cars that had brackets for the roofwalk supports like some of the Mather reefers. 

Ron Merrick


Re: OT: What Groups are people following on Groups.io

Ken Vandevoort <apo09324@...>
 

I join any group for prototype or model in any scale that has a decent following.  There is always something to learn from others and sometimes I can contribute or help with detail parts.

Ken Vandevoort


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Allan Smith
 


There is an article by Chuck Killian in the December 2005 RMC on upgrading an AAR 1923 boxcar for the L&NE.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 04:06:27 PM PDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Richard Townsend asked:
"Did Train Miniature by any chance tool a diagonal panel roof?"

No.

Ben Hom


LNE 1923 ARA Proposed Standard Steel Boxcars

David
 

This car does have the PRR Class X29 1928 side sheathing pattern and 5 ft kingpin-to-striker spacing, but the 4/4 Dreadnaught ends are different from the 1932/1934 Class X29 Dreadnaught end (compare with the photo of PRR 100800 from the November 2001 Railmodel Journal article).
I think that is a 5'6" draft arm length. Compare the location of the four rivets for the body bolster (roughly centered on the panel above) to this ex-PRR X29:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sun-lit-rosters/4808648559/

David Thompson


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend asked:
"Did Train Miniature by any chance tool a diagonal panel roof?"

No.

Ben Hom

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Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Richard Townsend
 

Did Train Miniature by any chance tool a diagonal panel roof? Its cars were narrower than most and might be a source for a narrow roof, if they made one.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars


this might help :-)

( photo of LNE 8311 replacement roof - car towards top of the photo )


On 4/29/2020 6:05 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

It’s been mentioned that the original roofs were replaced “in the 50s.”   Now I realize that was likely a lengthy process, but I’d like to know what the roof was in the early 50s, even the late 40s.
 
I bought a Red Caboose kit at a train show several years ago, and when I opened it a week or so ago, discovered that someone had filched the roof out of the box.  Only the roof, but without a roof . . .
 
Ted C told me he >might< have a replacement roof, though is upgrade/modernization kit is out of production.
 
If someone has a suitable roof they could provide, I’d be happy to acquire same.
 
Thanks
 
Schuyler


--
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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 

But it was built during our time frame…

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 5:48 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 

Brian

My notes say that photo is from Minneapolis in 1969 - which is why I didn't post it. ;-)



On 4/29/2020 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

Better color photo.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 


in color

On 4/29/2020 3:14 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

 NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

My notes say that photo is from Minneapolis in 1969 - which is why I didn't post it. ;-)



On 4/29/2020 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

Better color photo.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 


in color

On 4/29/2020 3:14 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

 NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Hmmm, never thought about the roof panels not lining up after narrowing the roof.

Such a replacement roof (40ft, narrow, overhanging eaves) would also be valuable for modeling NYC System 40ft USRA steel boxcars with replacement roofs.  I have several kits that I should start building sometime soon, and many of these cars had replacement roofs by 1950, according to photos.  Also, did similar USRA steel boxcars on the DL&W get reroofed?

I think the market for such a roof might be bigger than just LNE and MEC cars. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

hubert mask
 

Sorry I apologize it fell through the cracks.   I will review .

Hubert 


On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Better color photo.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 


in color

On 4/29/2020 3:14 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

 NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 

Better color photo.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

 


in color


On 4/29/2020 3:14 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:

 NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

Attachments:

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"It’s been mentioned that the original roofs were replaced “in the 50s.”   Now I realize that was likely a lengthy process, but I’d like to know what the roof was in the early 50s, even the late 40s."

Richard's article cites late 1940s as the beginning of roof replacements, so diagonal panel roof if you're doing one of the ARA cars with the 5 ft 6 in kingpin-to-striker distance.

 
"I bought a Red Caboose kit at a train show several years ago, and when I opened it a week or so ago, discovered that someone had filched the roof out of the box.  Only the roof, but without a roof . . .
 
Ted C told me he >might< have a replacement roof, though is upgrade/modernization kit is out of production.
 
If someone has a suitable roof they could provide, I’d be happy to acquire same."

This is why Ted's kit was so valuable as the diagonal panel roofs of the LNE and MEC cars are sized to fit these narrower cars.  You can't take a roof from a 40 ft postwar AAR boxcar and narrow it via splitting it down the center as the panels no longer line up.  An alternate approach might be to take a 50 ft diagonal panel roof and shorten it as they're slightly narrower, but this might still be too wide.


Ben Hom  


Re: LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Tim O'Connor
 


this might help :-)

( photo of LNE 8311 replacement roof - car towards top of the photo )


On 4/29/2020 6:05 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

It’s been mentioned that the original roofs were replaced “in the 50s.”   Now I realize that was likely a lengthy process, but I’d like to know what the roof was in the early 50s, even the late 40s.

 

I bought a Red Caboose kit at a train show several years ago, and when I opened it a week or so ago, discovered that someone had filched the roof out of the box.  Only the roof, but without a roof . . .

 

Ted C told me he >might< have a replacement roof, though is upgrade/modernization kit is out of production.

 

If someone has a suitable roof they could provide, I’d be happy to acquire same.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

hubert mask
 

Thanks and thanks. Pick a NP and shoot it at me.

Hubert

On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Hubert

Looking forward to the exNH insulated box (not a reefer).

I have some more NPM photos if you need any.

Stay safe! :-)

Tim

On 4/29/2020 6:00 PM, hubert mask wrote:
Thanks Tim. Your x NH refer in PC is coming.

Hubert
On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


I think your best bet would be 50 foot NPMX decals Hubert - people can use the
Athearn (PFE) reefer, or the old Pacific HO (later Silver Streak) FGE reefer, or
scratchbuild. Early mechanical reefers are a very tough sell because they were
built in small orders and are almost all different from each other.

Tim O'


On 4/29/2020 5:24 PM, leakinmywaders via groups.io wrote:
I would be interested in decals. However, only one or two sets, as I think the car other than the ends is a mostly scratch-building proposition. I believe these, along with one contemporary 50ft NPMX series, had flat a panel overhanging eave roof, but haven't located an overhead shot to confirm. There were only 25 of these 40 footers.

Chris Frissell

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



Re: NPMX 504 Mech Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Hubert

Looking forward to the exNH insulated box (not a reefer).

I have some more NPM photos if you need any.

Stay safe! :-)

Tim

On 4/29/2020 6:00 PM, hubert mask wrote:
Thanks Tim. Your x NH refer in PC is coming.

Hubert
On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


I think your best bet would be 50 foot NPMX decals Hubert - people can use the
Athearn (PFE) reefer, or the old Pacific HO (later Silver Streak) FGE reefer, or
scratchbuild. Early mechanical reefers are a very tough sell because they were
built in small orders and are almost all different from each other.

Tim O'


On 4/29/2020 5:24 PM, leakinmywaders via groups.io wrote:
I would be interested in decals. However, only one or two sets, as I think the car other than the ends is a mostly scratch-building proposition. I believe these, along with one contemporary 50ft NPMX series, had flat a panel overhanging eave roof, but haven't located an overhead shot to confirm. There were only 25 of these 40 footers.

Chris Frissell
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


LNE 1923 box cars A question about the roofs of these cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It’s been mentioned that the original roofs were replaced “in the 50s.”   Now I realize that was likely a lengthy process, but I’d like to know what the roof was in the early 50s, even the late 40s.

 

I bought a Red Caboose kit at a train show several years ago, and when I opened it a week or so ago, discovered that someone had filched the roof out of the box.  Only the roof, but without a roof . . .

 

Ted C told me he >might< have a replacement roof, though is upgrade/modernization kit is out of production.

 

If someone has a suitable roof they could provide, I’d be happy to acquire same.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler

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