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Re: Seaboard AF-1

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit."

It does not.  These Bowser cars are PRR Class X31B/C flush roof cars decorated as SAL Class AF-1.


Ben Hom  


Re: Early Great Northern reefers

hockenheim68
 

I'm working on the core of a 36'4" car right now. Probably stuff you already know, but the GN reefers show up in numerous yard photos on Shorpy in Duluth and in the City of Vancouver archives. The one on page 96 of the Rusty Dusty is a 38'1" car and the one on page 119 is  of the smaller 36'4" class built in '02. You can find decent outside dimensions in the 1905 ORER that is available online.
I know there is at least one photo in Leavenworth: A pictorial History of a car but I can't make out the number - it's 5 digits. I'm pretty sure they show up in some of the Leavenworth and Cascade Tunnel  Station shots out of Bob Kelly's (Skykomish Historical Society) Monitor to Monroe Depot CD and the electric loco CD.

I don't have a 1927 freight car diagram book but I do have a  1950 MOW book with one of the 38' 8" reefers converted to outfit. It doesn't say who it is made by but it does say that the trucks are Haskell & Barker. They're 5'2" WB  on 28'8" centres. I notice that the ends overhang  6' (12" more than similar sized H&B boxcars).  5'2" WB (40T?) trucks show up often on the GN's H&B built boxcars of the era. There are some ex-URT reefers in the MOW book as well that the GN picked up in 1920 - I don't know anything about their history.

Until I get my hands on an early  diagram book my 36footer will ride on 30t diamond arch bars and have four trussrods like the one in The Rusty Dusty.

If you want the MOW diagram email me or use the private message thingy.

Andrew Hutchinson
hockenheim68atyahoodotcom


Seaboard AF-1

Tony Thompson
 

A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


Re: I'm trying to make out the owning road

mopacfirst
 

The MP car in the foreground is possibly from the series 84100-84499, built late 20s as part of one of several orders of 40 ton single-sheathed auto cars with 12' doors.  By 1950 most were converted to steel-sided 6' single door cars or scrapped, since only a handful are shown in the ORER Jan. 1954.

The other one is definitely a T&P car.  The lettering on the car side, although very hard to see, is pretty unmistakable, if you're familiar with T&P.  Can't give you the number series for sure, but a double-sheathed 40' box built in the 20s and also gone by early 50s, many rebuilt to steel-sided cars with 6' doors.

Ron Merrick


Re: Early Great Northern reefers

gary laakso
 

Westerfield has a model of a Great Northern class refrigerator before the formation of WFE.   They found some information about colors.  There are diagrams for the cars in the 1927 Freight Car Diagram book.   You are correct about a dearth of photos of these cars. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:31 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Early Great Northern reefers

 

I've taken a special interest in the early Great Northern refrigerator cars -- that is, refrigerator cars owned by Great Northern Railway prior to formation of WFEX in 1923.  The valuation reports prior to this period show that the Great Northern had several thousand refrigerator cars, including 33' (I assume Wickes) 38' and 40' cars.  I have looked for builder photos (to no avail) and have found just two photographs of cars in The Great Yellow Fleet and two other photographs in The Rusty Dusty (very good book on the Geat Northern in the Wenatchee area) -- but no color photographs.  I am wondering if anyone here might no of photographs in other sources, car diagrams, and the like.  And of course the color and reporting marks; I assume that the early WFEX  cars were Great Northern cars turned over to WFEX... but assumptions in model railroading are often treacherous.  Thank you for any suggestions!  Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI

 

(Note: Not referring to the Express Refrigerator cars owned by the Great Northern that continued to be run as GN Express cars, the Ambroid model and later Roundhouse/Athearn models appear to be mostly true to prototype)


Re: I'm trying to make out the owning road

Larry Buell
 

Looks like MP ?5150, maybe.  The other one looks like  ?&P 4330

Buell


Re: Speaking of rivets

Michael Watnoski
 

Try the foil from wine bottles.

m

On 4/25/2020 11:35 AM, James Cummings wrote:
Does anyone have a source for 0.010 lead foil in reasonable small quantities for modeling purposes? James Cummings


Want to Buy: KASLO shops Canadian National 40-foot Howe trussed SS boxcar kit

Bill Welch
 

Curious if anyone here may have one of the  KASLO Shops Canadian National 40-foot Howe trussed SS boxcar kits they would like to sell. Sorry do not know their catalog number if there was more than one version. You can email me at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com if you want to part w/your kit.

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Cheer up Claus, the Pennsy gon looks a lot more capable of handling that tank than the sagging 
flat bed trailer it was on in the photo that first came up! The trailer looked like it had a John Allen
aging job.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

 The car to the right appears to be a Erie car with an end door. I'll leave the rest to
tjose with better computer ability than I possess.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

One thing we noticed on Plain Jane tank cars was that they often had a walkway on only one side of the dome. On some it  seemed to be on the left from the "B" end and on others on the right. We were never able to determine what the protocols were that decided whether a car would have walkways on both sides of the dome or only one side and which side if only one. Can anyone answer these questions?

     There is a simple answer, from Ed Kaminski who worked with the AC&F tank car plant for years. The answer? it was buyer choice.

Tony Thompson




Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

hello Allen,

    I'd be interested in some etched walkways and platform decks for the same lines of tank cars.
Also have a tank car question. Back in the late 1990's my late friend Bob Witbeck, a kit-basher
extrodinaire, and I were doing some joint research on tank cars. One thing we noticed on Plain
Jane tank cars was that they often had a walkway on only one side of the dome. On some it 
seemed to be on the left from the "B" end and on others on the right. We were never able to
determine what the protocols were that decided whether a car would have walkways on both
sides of the dome or only one side and which side if only one. Unfortunately Bob suffered a
major stroke in April 2000 after which we was an invalid for another decade before passing.
Can anyone answer these questions?

My best, Don Valentine


Photo: NP Reefer 91497

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

NP Reefer 91497


Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road

Lee
 

An online search brings up this image from Salt Lake City. 

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s60s039q 





Lee Stoermer
Aldie, VA

On Friday, May 1, 2020, 16:14, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
In the image below, I can see two boxcars. I’m trying to make out the owning road for the one closest to the camers, but I’m not successful so far. Perhaps others on the list will look at this and will know right away...
 
I see 5-5-5 ends, possibly Murphy style, or perhaps inverse Murphy (is that a term?). It also looks to have two doors on the side I that can see, making it an automobile boxcar. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
 
Use the “Download” button to get a higher-resolution image, this will help.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Number Change On Kadee Cars

golden1014
 

Fenton Wells at srrfan1401@... can answer ALL your Southern Rwy freight car questions.

John Golden
Germany


Early Great Northern reefers

Ray Hutchison
 

I've taken a special interest in the early Great Northern refrigerator cars -- that is, refrigerator cars owned by Great Northern Railway prior to formation of WFEX in 1923.  The valuation reports prior to this period show that the Great Northern had several thousand refrigerator cars, including 33' (I assume Wickes) 38' and 40' cars.  I have looked for builder photos (to no avail) and have found just two photographs of cars in The Great Yellow Fleet and two other photographs in The Rusty Dusty (very good book on the Geat Northern in the Wenatchee area) -- but no color photographs.  I am wondering if anyone here might no of photographs in other sources, car diagrams, and the like.  And of course the color and reporting marks; I assume that the early WFEX  cars were Great Northern cars turned over to WFEX... but assumptions in model railroading are often treacherous.  Thank you for any suggestions!  Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI

(Note: Not referring to the Express Refrigerator cars owned by the Great Northern that continued to be run as GN Express cars, the Ambroid model and later Roundhouse/Athearn models appear to be mostly true to prototype)


Re: Speaking of rivets

James Cummings
 

Does anyone have a source for 0.010 lead foil in reasonable small quantities for modeling purposes? James Cummings


wire gauge for tie-rods

Ray Hutchison
 

I was not certain the correct gauge for tie-rods for early box cars and reefers?  The originals are usually given as 1.5 inches.  Hopefully this would the queen posts in the old roundhouse 36' kits?

and related question about correct size for air and steam tubes on brass models?

Thanks for suggestions!

Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI


Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

Ray Hutchison
 

What were these used for?


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Greg Martin

golden1014
 

Hi Guys,

I case you never met him, I thought I'd share of my friend "TGreg", as I called him, at Cocoa Beach in January 2009.  That's Greg on the right and Chris "Ziggy" Zygmunt at left.

Godspeed, brother.



John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/

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