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Re: Seaboard AF-1
Benjamin Hom
Tony Thompson wrote: "A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit." It does not. These Bowser cars are PRR Class X31B/C flush roof cars decorated as SAL Class AF-1. Ben Hom
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Re: Early Great Northern reefers
hockenheim68
I'm working on the core of a 36'4" car right now. Probably stuff you already know, but the GN reefers show up in numerous yard photos on Shorpy in Duluth and in the City of Vancouver archives. The one on page 96 of the Rusty Dusty is a 38'1" car and the one on page 119 is of the smaller 36'4" class built in '02. You can find decent outside dimensions in the 1905 ORER that is available online.
I know there is at least one photo in Leavenworth: A pictorial History of a car but I can't make out the number - it's 5 digits. I'm pretty sure they show up in some of the Leavenworth and Cascade Tunnel Station shots out of Bob Kelly's (Skykomish Historical Society) Monitor to Monroe Depot CD and the electric loco CD. I don't have a 1927 freight car diagram book but I do have a 1950 MOW book with one of the 38' 8" reefers converted to outfit. It doesn't say who it is made by but it does say that the trucks are Haskell & Barker. They're 5'2" WB on 28'8" centres. I notice that the ends overhang 6' (12" more than similar sized H&B boxcars). 5'2" WB (40T?) trucks show up often on the GN's H&B built boxcars of the era. There are some ex-URT reefers in the MOW book as well that the GN picked up in 1920 - I don't know anything about their history. Until I get my hands on an early diagram book my 36footer will ride on 30t diamond arch bars and have four trussrods like the one in The Rusty Dusty. If you want the MOW diagram email me or use the private message thingy. Andrew Hutchinson hockenheim68atyahoodotcom
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Seaboard AF-1
Tony Thompson
A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit.
Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: I'm trying to make out the owning road
mopacfirst
The MP car in the foreground is possibly from the series 84100-84499, built late 20s as part of one of several orders of 40 ton single-sheathed auto cars with 12' doors. By 1950 most were converted to steel-sided 6' single door cars or scrapped, since only a handful are shown in the ORER Jan. 1954.
The other one is definitely a T&P car. The lettering on the car side, although very hard to see, is pretty unmistakable, if you're familiar with T&P. Can't give you the number series for sure, but a double-sheathed 40' box built in the 20s and also gone by early 50s, many rebuilt to steel-sided cars with 6' doors. Ron Merrick
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Re: Early Great Northern reefers
gary laakso
Westerfield has a model of a Great Northern class refrigerator before the formation of WFE. They found some information about colors. There are diagrams for the cars in the 1927 Freight Car Diagram book. You are correct about a dearth of photos of these cars.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Hutchison
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:31 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Early Great Northern reefers
I've taken a special interest in the early Great Northern refrigerator cars -- that is, refrigerator cars owned by Great Northern Railway prior to formation of WFEX in 1923. The valuation reports prior to this period show that the Great Northern had several thousand refrigerator cars, including 33' (I assume Wickes) 38' and 40' cars. I have looked for builder photos (to no avail) and have found just two photographs of cars in The Great Yellow Fleet and two other photographs in The Rusty Dusty (very good book on the Geat Northern in the Wenatchee area) -- but no color photographs. I am wondering if anyone here might no of photographs in other sources, car diagrams, and the like. And of course the color and reporting marks; I assume that the early WFEX cars were Great Northern cars turned over to WFEX... but assumptions in model railroading are often treacherous. Thank you for any suggestions! Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI
(Note: Not referring to the Express Refrigerator cars owned by the Great Northern that continued to be run as GN Express cars, the Ambroid model and later Roundhouse/Athearn models appear to be mostly true to prototype)
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Re: I'm trying to make out the owning road
Larry Buell
Looks like MP ?5150, maybe. The other one looks like ?&P 4330 Buell
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Michael Watnoski
Try the foil from wine bottles.
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On 4/25/2020 11:35 AM, James Cummings wrote:
Does anyone have a source for 0.010 lead foil in reasonable small quantities for modeling purposes? James Cummings
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Want to Buy: KASLO shops Canadian National 40-foot Howe trussed SS boxcar kit
Bill Welch
Curious if anyone here may have one of the KASLO Shops Canadian National 40-foot Howe trussed SS boxcar kits they would like to sell. Sorry do not know their catalog number if there was more than one version. You can email me at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com if you want to part w/your kit.
Thank you, Bill Welch
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Re: partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Cheer up Claus, the Pennsy gon looks a lot more capable of handling that tank than the sagging flat bed trailer it was on in the photo that first came up! The trailer looked like it had a John Allen aging job. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
The car to the right appears to be a Erie car with an end door. I'll leave the rest to tjose with better computer ability than I possess. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
There is a simple answer, from Ed Kaminski who worked with the AC&F tank car plant for years. The answer? it was buyer choice. Tony Thompson
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Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
hello Allen, I'd be interested in some etched walkways and platform decks for the same lines of tank cars. Also have a tank car question. Back in the late 1990's my late friend Bob Witbeck, a kit-basher extrodinaire, and I were doing some joint research on tank cars. One thing we noticed on Plain Jane tank cars was that they often had a walkway on only one side of the dome. On some it seemed to be on the left from the "B" end and on others on the right. We were never able to determine what the protocols were that decided whether a car would have walkways on both sides of the dome or only one side and which side if only one. Unfortunately Bob suffered a major stroke in April 2000 after which we was an invalid for another decade before passing. Can anyone answer these questions? My best, Don Valentine
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Photo: NP Reefer 91497
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
NP Reefer 91497
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Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road
Lee
An online search brings up this image from Salt Lake City. Lee Stoermer Aldie, VA
On Friday, May 1, 2020, 16:14, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
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Re: Number Change On Kadee Cars
golden1014
Fenton Wells at srrfan1401@... can answer ALL your Southern Rwy freight car questions.
John Golden Germany
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Early Great Northern reefers
Ray Hutchison
I've taken a special interest in the early Great Northern refrigerator cars -- that is, refrigerator cars owned by Great Northern Railway prior to formation of WFEX in 1923. The valuation reports prior to this period show that the Great Northern had several thousand refrigerator cars, including 33' (I assume Wickes) 38' and 40' cars. I have looked for builder photos (to no avail) and have found just two photographs of cars in The Great Yellow Fleet and two other photographs in The Rusty Dusty (very good book on the Geat Northern in the Wenatchee area) -- but no color photographs. I am wondering if anyone here might no of photographs in other sources, car diagrams, and the like. And of course the color and reporting marks; I assume that the early WFEX cars were Great Northern cars turned over to WFEX... but assumptions in model railroading are often treacherous. Thank you for any suggestions! Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI (Note: Not referring to the Express Refrigerator cars owned by the Great Northern that continued to be run as GN Express cars, the Ambroid model and later Roundhouse/Athearn models appear to be mostly true to prototype)
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Re: Speaking of rivets
James Cummings
Does anyone have a source for 0.010 lead foil in reasonable small quantities for modeling purposes? James Cummings
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wire gauge for tie-rods
Ray Hutchison
I was not certain the correct gauge for tie-rods for early box cars and reefers? The originals are usually given as 1.5 inches. Hopefully this would the queen posts in the old roundhouse 36' kits? and related question about correct size for air and steam tubes on brass models? Thanks for suggestions! Ray Hutchison Green Bay WI
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Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
Ray Hutchison
What were these used for?
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Greg Martin
golden1014
Hi Guys, I case you never met him, I thought I'd share of my friend "TGreg", as I called him, at Cocoa Beach in January 2009. That's Greg on the right and Chris "Ziggy" Zygmunt at left. Godspeed, brother. John Golden Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/
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