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Two sided adhesive tape

Bruce R. Brantner, Sr. <brantner@...>
 

Ed Mines, wrote

>I've seen 2 sided "tape" which has contact adhesive on it. Peel off
>one side, put the tape on the item to be glued and then peel off the
>other side.
>Seems great for attaching roof walks like the photoetched ones.
>I found a roll of this type of tape in my lab. Boy does it stink!
(kind on a sharp acrylic smell)
>Does anyone know if the smell goes away when the tape is used? It's
>not something I want to bring home if it will stink forever.

Ed, I use double sided adhesive carpeting tape that I buy at either K-mart
or Wal-Mart. It is used, obviously, for holding down carpeting. It has a
strong bonding agent..

Bruce


Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
COYOTE TRAILS, Div. SF RR

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Larry is exactly right. And MRIA, which is who went to court to
straighten out the Chessie idiots, is quite prepared to help UP understand
the same subject.<

It has been said on other groups that the MRIA actually blessed the UP
action. Do you have different information?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

More estate Kits

Andy Carlson
 

I have opened another box of freight car kits. I have the following cars offered to the fellow listers:

Intermountain (IM)

IM 40461-03 UP 40' PS-1 Blt '57 yellow "be specific"...........$11.00
IM 40801-04 NP 40' 10-6 "mainstreet" blt 5-'48......................$11.00
IM 40501-01 thru -24 PFE R-40-23 color double herald
this is 24 consectative numbers , 2 complete 1dozen sets.....$12.00/car
IM 40607-11 SP 50' dbl door PS-1.....................................$9.00
IM 41801-15 CN "modified" AAR 40' 10-6.........................$9.00
Red Caboose (RC)

RC 3002-1, -3, -4, -5, -6 Five SHPX 10,000 gallon
type 103W welded tankcars ............................$8.00/ea.
RC 7030-4 PRR circle herald "buy warbonds" $11.00
RC 8055-4 P&LE "Serves Steel centers" AAR...........$9.00

Shipping is $3.00 first car, add $1.00 for each additional car.

Thanks, and as before, please contact me off-list on these items. I remain
-Andy Carlson

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

asychis@...
 

It does get nauseatingly silly, doesn't it?

Does the UP also include Challenger, Sunbean, Sunflower, Eagle, Portland
Rose, Prospector, Pony Express?

If you live in Missouri, do you have to pay UP a fee each time you use the
term "Missourian" since it was a Missouri Pacific train?

Just think of all those Cities that now have to pay royalties, City of San
Francisco, City of Los Angeles, City of St. Louis, etc. Wouldn't it be nice
if the cities came back on UP to divy up so many dollars for each run the
trains made?

If they'd just choke to death on all this and go away!

Jerry Michels

Re: Looking for Magor Drawings

Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
 

Greg-
Roco did a model of that car for AHM in the mid-sixties. To my knowledge they have not been available in the interim.
I have a picture of the model if you would like me to email it to you off list. It may be reintroduced with upgraded details by Roco/E-R.
Charlie

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for Magor Drawings


All,

I have run into a deadend. I am looking for drawings of the Magor Six axle military flat car. Bruce Smith has done an excellant phot study of two of these cars in a Railway museum in Alabama, let's call it a "walk-around." Bruce has submitted it to Mainline and Bob has agreed to do the drawings if I can come up with the erection drawings or a set of drawings from a cyc. Well, I have contacted Jeff Koeller and Richard steered me toward Ed Kaminski and I have come up short. Does anyone have a source for these to get the draweings done. The cars were built for DOD in 1953 and ride on what appears to be 3 axle Buckeye type trucks. With the interst in Miltitary Railroad modeling I am trying to see if we can't help these folks out. Anyone know one might find the drawings?

Greg Martin

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Re: ag implements of flatcar

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

cwilson@... wrote:

I am looking at the Life-Like "Scenemaster" ag implements (plow and
seed planter)
and wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with
regard to a
photo/diagram/etc. of the blocking and tie-downs used for this type of
equipment
on a flatcar. My target time-frame is 1960-1965 and I'm more
interested in a
standard 50-T or 70-T car than the OTTX Trailer Train cars. I'm also
interested
in a manufacturing point-of-origin and whose cars might have been
commonly used
during this era. If I can get enough info to do things properly, I'm
planning to
dedicate a car to a permanent load rather than engineering it to be
removable.
Craig,

Periodically, the AAR published books on the RULES GOVERNING THE LOADING
OF COMMODITIES ON OPEN TOP CARS (I have the March 1st, 1942 Edition). In
these books are diagrams of the restraints required for loading tractors
and other agricultural implements. In 1942, they were figures 170-172B
for tractors, figure 176 for threshers, etc. weighing less than 4 tons,
figure 177 for combines with pneumatic tires, figure 178 for corn
pickers and figure 179 for combined harvesters weighing more than 4 tons
with non-pneumatic wheels.

Between 1942 and your early 1960's era, some of these rules may have
changed, but the logic behind of how to restrain equipment probably had
not.

These Books of Rules Governing ... do show up on Ebay every so often.

Tim Gilbert

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

thompson@...
 

Larry Jackman said:
It has nothing to do with copyrights. It is registered trade marks and the
do not expire with time. The only
way they die is if the company does not use them for a long time or if
someone uses them and the owner does
not defend them. All the logos and such were public domain long before the
UPRR took over any of these RRs
because the logos were used by the model manufactures with out these RRs
defending them. That also holds true
with the UPRRs logos. They have been used for over 50 years by the
manufactures with anyone saying you can not
do that and filed court cases to stop the ones that would not stop. That
ia why the CSX backed off. They did
not want a court ruling on whether they still owned their logos. This has
nothing to do with the models of the
equipment. It is about what is painted on the equipment.
Larry is exactly right. And MRIA, which is who went to court to
straighten out the Chessie idiots, is quite prepared to help UP understand
the same subject.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history

Re: Looking for Magor Drawings

Richard Townsend
 

One remote possibility is the U.S.Army transprtation museum at Fort Eustis, Newport News Virginia.

All,

I have run into a deadend. [...] Anyone know one might find the drawings?

Greg Martin
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Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

Larry Lee <jlawrencelee@...>
 

Could somebody with more trademark-law knowledge than I have possibly
comment on how UP can be getting away with this?
I'm not an attorney--thank you, Lord--but the short answer is that lawyers
and their clients can get away with whatever they can intimidate everybody
else into going along with. UP has deeper pockets for litigation, or the
threat of it, than you do, so you back down. No law, or legal
interpretation, is truly valid until it has been tested in court, but that
takes somebody willing to go through the time, trouble, and expense of a
lawsuit.

The argument advanced for all of this is that anyone who holds a trademark
or servicemark has an obligation to reasonably protect it from unauthorized
use. If he fails to do so, the feds can take it away and put it in the
public domain. This has happened in the past for terms like "Frigidaire,"
and "Videotape," but it is difficult to see how a model train could be
reasonably mistaken for a real transportation provider.

This is not the first time this has come up regarding models. Another road,
CSXT if memory serves me right, took this same approach several years ago
and wound up being embarrassed by the absurdity of it. General Motors tried
the same thing with Chevrolet. Model companies could buy a restricted
license to make Chevy models. GM was also embarrassed. But new lawyers and
a new company, hey, the possibilities are endless . . . Let's hope UP is
equally embarrassed--enough to fire a couple of jackass lawyers with far too
much retainer time on their hands.

Just to show how much this situation has changed, models used to be
considered free advertising by the railroad companies. ATSF went so far as
to essentially pay Lionel for the EMD F3 tooling some 50 years ago,
realizing it was superb name recognition. Of course, that was when
railroads provided retail transportation of freight AND passengers, there
were many competing carriers, and they cared what the public, i.e.,
customers, thought of them. Today, the mega-carriers just want the public
to go away and leave them alone. They are in the wholesale transportation
business now, and any contact with the public amounts to some kind of
liability. If you can't provide at least 10 cars per day--preferably
delivered to one of their yards--they would prefer that you never come
within 500 feet of their property. The only thing they want the public to
do is cough up money to pay for improvements to their physical plant. Well,
maybe one other thing--one of the recent legal initiatives has been to
transfer as much as possible of the security of their property to public
police forces. They do it by getting state laws passed that make it a
defined crime--as opposed to general trespassing statutes--to be on railroad
property, except at a public crossing. This lets them save a bunch on
railroad police. If you see anyone taking photos anywhere near the track,
just dial 9-1-1 and let the local cops waste their time and money.

Larry Lee
Auburn, AL

P.S. No, I haven't had any "encounters," so this is not sour grapes on my
part. I just think that ALL companies should operate for, not against, the
public. That's what their charters intended. I'll get off my soapbox now .
. .

ag implements of flatcar

cwilson@...
 

I am looking at the Life-Like "Scenemaster" ag implements (plow and seed planter)
and wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction with regard to a
photo/diagram/etc. of the blocking and tie-downs used for this type of equipment
on a flatcar. My target time-frame is 1960-1965 and I'm more interested in a
standard 50-T or 70-T car than the OTTX Trailer Train cars. I'm also interested
in a manufacturing point-of-origin and whose cars might have been commonly used
during this era. If I can get enough info to do things properly, I'm planning to
dedicate a car to a permanent load rather than engineering it to be removable.
Thanks!

Craig W

Books For Sale

Ron Boham <spnut@...>
 

For Sale, to a good STMFC home:

1--1939 Railway Engineering And Maintenance Cyclopedia, Simmons-Boardman, good condition, $300.00.

1--1942 Railway Engineering And Maintenance Cyclopedia, Simmons-Boardman, good condition, $350.00.

1--1925 Car Builders Cyclopedia, Simmons-Boardman, good condition, $300.00.

1--AREA 1995 Manual For Railway Engineering, 2 volumes in AREA ring binders, purchased new, like new, $100.00.

The following is offered free, postage paid, to the list owner/moderator, if he wants them:

3--packages of Yee Old Huff-N-Puff brass rivet strip, languishing in my O Scale junk. This was the 1955 (or maybe 1945) answer to your problem, Mike.

Please Do Not hit the reply button, but create a new message direct to me at: spnut@...

Copy and paste e-mail address into composition and send direct to keep messages off-list.

Thank you,

Ron Boham
Ralston, NE

Re: Freight Car Journal

Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
 

Jace and list,
The George Cockle issues were called "Railroad Car Journal" produced in 1971 and 1972. I have the five issues and I have never seen a copy issue #6.

The "Freight Cars Journal" was/is a quarterly magazine edited by David Casdorph and Eric Neubauer. The magazine began in 1983 and was a very good historical review of freight cars. For instance, my first issue #3, had an article and photos of the NH 36' steel underframe wood box cars. However, by the early 90's the magazine delt mostly with modern equipment and I dropped my subscription.
Charlie

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Journal





Dear Ed
George Cockle produced about five issues ca. 1970: #1 Boxcars, #2
Refrigerator Cars, #3 Cabooses, #4 Hoppers, #5 Gondolas (I think I have the
match right on the last three); #6 was announced as a sort of miscellany and
catch-up from the preceding five. I do not know whether #6 was ever
published; I have never seen a copy. I have all except #2, with some
duplicates of the ones I do have; I suspect #2 is fairly scarce, as I have
never seen a copy offered for sale since it was new.
They are rather random, but full of useful photos and drawings among the
stuff one cannot use for oneself.
Perhaps someone else on the list has more information than I can provide.
Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks

>Years ago I saw the first few issue of the "Freight Car Journal" but
>it had little of interest to me, mostly modern cars and the few old
>ones were very old, pre 1900.
>
>Does this publication still exist? Every so often I see a photo
>credited to their collection.
>
>If it's still in existance is the content the same?
>
>Have there been any articles in the past that would be of interest to
>me (my modeling date is 1945-1947)? Are back issues available?
>
>Ed Mines
>
>
>
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Re: Freight Car Journal

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jace Kahn writes:

George Cockle produced about five issues ca. 1970: #1 Boxcars, #2
Refrigerator Cars, #3 Cabooses, #4 Hoppers, #5 Gondolas (I think I have the
match right on the last three); #6 was announced as a sort of miscellany and
catch-up from the preceding five. I do not know whether #6 was ever
published; I have never seen a copy. I have all except #2, with some
duplicates of the ones I do have; I suspect #2 is fairly scarce, as I have
never seen a copy offered for sale since it was new.
They are rather random, but full of useful photos and drawings among the
stuff one cannot use for oneself.
Perhaps someone else on the list has more information than I can provide.
Jace, you're confusing Freight Cars Journal (the Cockle publication, which
was indeed full of good stuff) with Freight Car Journal (produced by Dave
Casdorph and, with very few exceptions, devoted to modern [i.e., post-1960]
prototypes)

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Re: Looking for Magor Drawings

Mont Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

GREG: A LITTLE OFF THE SUBJECT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ROCO CAR ONCE
IMPORTED BY WALTHERS. KENTUCKY RR MUSEUM HAS SEVERAL OF THEM. MONT SWITZER

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for Magor Drawings


All,

I have run into a deadend. I am looking for drawings of the Magor Six axle
military flat car. Bruce Smith has done an excellant phot study of two of
these cars in a Railway museum in Alabama, let's call it a "walk-around."
Bruce has submitted it to Mainline and Bob has agreed to do the drawings if
I can come up with the erection drawings or a set of drawings from a cyc.
Well, I have contacted Jeff Koeller and Richard steered me toward Ed
Kaminski and I have come up short. Does anyone have a source for these to
get the draweings done. The cars were built for DOD in 1953 and ride on what
appears to be 3 axle Buckeye type trucks. With the interst in Miltitary
Railroad modeling I am trying to see if we can't help these folks out.
Anyone know one might find the drawings?

Greg Martin


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Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

ljack70117@...
 

It has nothing to do with copyrights. It is registered trade marks and the do not expire with time. The only
way they die is if the company does not use them for a long time or if someone uses them and the owner does
not defend them. All the logos and such were public domain long before the UPRR took over any of these RRs
because the logos were used by the model manufactures with out these RRs defending them. That also holds true
with the UPRRs logos. They have been used for over 50 years by the manufactures with anyone saying you can not
do that and filed court cases to stop the ones that would not stop. That ia why the CSX backed off. They did
not want a court ruling on whether they still owned their logos. This has nothing to do with the models of the
equipment. It is about what is painted on the equipment.
We will see what will happen in the near future as something is going to pop
All I can say for now.
Thank you
Larry Jackman

Steven wrote:


Could somebody with more trademark-law knowledge than I have possibly
comment on how UP can be getting away with this? Models that use UP
"trademarks" aren't holding themselves out as the UP, or competing with the
UP, or likely to cause any confusion among consumers as to whether they are
in fact the UP. Seems to me a model (commercial or homemade) of a UP loco
is for almost all relevant purposes, pretty much the same thing as a
painting or a photo, and I don't think even the UP would try to tell us we
couldn't paint or photograph their locos and publish the results. (Would
they?)
Thanks for any wisdom
Steve Delibert

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

Steven Delibert <stevdel@...>
 

Could somebody with more trademark-law knowledge than I have possibly
comment on how UP can be getting away with this? Models that use UP
"trademarks" aren't holding themselves out as the UP, or competing with the
UP, or likely to cause any confusion among consumers as to whether they are
in fact the UP. Seems to me a model (commercial or homemade) of a UP loco
is for almost all relevant purposes, pretty much the same thing as a
painting or a photo, and I don't think even the UP would try to tell us we
couldn't paint or photograph their locos and publish the results. (Would
they?)
Thanks for any wisdom
Steve Delibert

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From: <tgregmrtn@...>
Union Pacific Equipment? I just couldn't help but bring up the issue of
Union Pacific licensing agreement and he was totally taken back. He was not
aware of the problems that the Union Pacific legal department was causing
within our industry. I explained that this issue came up several years ago
with an eastern carrier, whom I think we all know, and that after some bad
public relations and press they have

Re: Freight Car Journal

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Ed I am a non-subscriber, I came across the issue at a train show, just got lucky. I'll see if I can find it in the basement, I believe it had a address although I do not know if it is still current.

Brian Carlson

Re: "Railway Age" and other Industrial Magazines

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Shawn,

Even if you want RAILWAY AGE issues in your home library, I would still
suggest going to one of the "older" public or academic libraries and
review the indexes of the six month tomes to find out which issues you
want to have.

Another way to do the same thing vis a vis indices is to get Tom
Taber's All-Time Index of RAILWAY AGES (c/o Thomas T Taber III, 504
South Main Street, Muncy PA 17756).

Tim Gilbert

"Beckert, Shawn" wrote:


Fellow Listers,

Where does one look for old issues of "Railway Age"
and other railroad and industrial trade publications?
ABEbooks.com and Bookfinder.com aren't turning up
anything for me. Thanks for any and all help.

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

ljack70117@...
 

Thank you
Larry Jackman

Ron Hildebrand wrote:


Larry,

This was posted on the RailroadModeler Yahoo group site in a similar
discussion: BRENDAMAINWARING@....
Hope this helps--

Ron Hildebrand

Re: NEXT... Private Logo Problems

Ron Hildebrand <SteamFreight@...>
 

Larry,

This was posted on the RailroadModeler Yahoo group site in a similar discussion: BRENDAMAINWARING@....
Hope this helps--

Ron Hildebrand

At 09:30 PM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Could some someone supply the e mail address for the lady who is handling the UPRR proposal??
Thank you
Larry Jackman