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Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Some of the P2k heralds are bas and decals are needed, Mask Island or Speedwitch


On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:01 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Garth,

Both the herald and running boards are good questions. Maybe someone has the answers 

If the herald was correct for the 1944 build date , not saying it is, would it have been repainted with the post war herald for mid 1950s service?

And were the wooden roof walks replaced by the mid 1950s (have the rules for them somewhere)?

Anyone?

Allen Cain



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Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

Garth,

Both the herald and running boards are good questions. Maybe someone has the answers 

If the herald was correct for the 1944 build date , not saying it is, would it have been repainted with the post war herald for mid 1950s service?

And were the wooden roof walks replaced by the mid 1950s (have the rules for them somewhere)?

Anyone?

Allen Cain


DL&W low-sided gondola #60237 at Utica, NY on 06/25/1915

Brian Rochon
 

From the Steamtown files today.

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-05-20/C2768.jpg

 

Brian Rochon

Silver Spring, MD


Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Allen,

We have a mystery here. My 1958 ORER lists the IH as 10' 6", and with no auto racks. The end doors are there. I suppose it is possible that at some point the end doors were bolted shut, and then restored for an assigned service of some sort. There are no special service or exemption notes with this group of cars though. I only have loose pages for Southern from the 1944 ORER (I was only interested in their ventilator cars at that point).

After thinking about it last night, I think I remember that on one or the other of these cars the herald was not correct for 1944. Both of my models have an original 1944 reweigh date and two different styles of herald, and it isn't the post-war herald we usually associate with Southern. Southern's herald did got through several iterations. Lifelike included wooden running boards in both kits. It would be interesting to learn if these were replaced with steel running boards.

I never assembled these cars because my little L-shaped shelf layout has a curve that spirals down to 22" radius at its tightest point. 50' cars look absurd going through that curve, to say nothing of my 65' combine. I've stuck to 40' cars for a number of years. I will build them someday.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆 


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:05 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
  Thanks Garth.

Trying to decide to sell them or keep them.

Tending toward keeping them and squinting when I look at them to convince myself that they are accurate, or just not worry about it.

My October 1955 ORER lists 49 cars in the 40200 to 40249 which are 50' 6" long with double staggered doors and an inside height of 10' 8" with no reference to end doors.  P2K did the Southern boxcars in this number series but that it all that I can come up with right now.

And for some reason Ike's boxcar book is in hiding tonight.  Once I flush it out maybe it will shed more light on this P2K kit.

Allen


Greg Martin

Mikebrock
 

Prototype Rails has lost one of its founders and I have lost a dear friend, Greg Martin. . Greg was the Voice of Prototype Rails. More than that, of course, he was a key part of operation of the meet, handling the auction along with Mark Kerlick. He also was the power behind the Shake N' Take. Greg and I go back to the origins of Prototype Rails, many years ago. Like many, I watched Greg's fight, praying he would pull through. I will have trouble losing him. Condolences to his family.

 

Mike Brock


KIngan Employee Magazines was Kingan Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

A few folks asked that I post the link to the Kingan employee magazines I found online during my reefer rabbit hole. Here is the link. http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/p16066coll50/searchterm/kingan%20folks/field/all/mode/all/conn/and/order/title/ad/asc

 

I understand there is a Bull Shippers group, and this might interest them also so if anyone is on that group, share away.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Greg Martin

Richard Townsend
 

I am proud to have called Greg my friend. He was such a good and generous man. Kitbashing is my favorite part of the hobby and I felt he was a kindred spirit. 

I'm very much a loner-type, and he often encouraged me to go to Cocoa Beach. As a result, in 2018 and again this year I went. He made a point of including me in various conversations and activities, and introducing me around. 

He lived about 50 miles from me and I used to run into him from time to time at our "local" hobby shop (about 90 miles from me and 40 from him) or at swap meets. A couple of years ago he came by my table at a swap meet where, among other things, I had several C&BT double door box cars for sale. He told me I should hang onto them as they would being coming in handy soon. I assumed he was talking about an upcoming S'n'T project. He got a great deal of joy out of keeping S'n'T projects secret, so I knew better than to ask him about it.

Late last year he and I shared some tables at a local swap meet and during that day I learned so much from him as we chatted at slow times about items on our tables or what we could pick up at others' tables. As he would tell me about a kitbashing opportunity I would circulate around the room to pick up the model he was talking about. I was able to find a couple of items for him, too.

He organized an RPM meet in Salem, Oregon, called "Rails by the River," for a couple of years, until his health issues got in the way. In January at Cocoa Beach he told me he was planning on reviving it next year.

I will miss him terribly. Cocoa Beach certainly won't be the same without him.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Greg Martin

Hi Guys,

I case you never met him, I thought I'd share of my friend "TGreg", as I called him, at Cocoa Beach in January 2009.  That's Greg on the right and Chris "Ziggy" Zygmunt at left.

Godspeed, brother.



John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

  Thanks Garth.

Trying to decide to sell them or keep them.

Tending toward keeping them and squinting when I look at them to convince myself that they are accurate, or just not worry about it.

My October 1955 ORER lists 49 cars in the 40200 to 40249 which are 50' 6" long with double staggered doors and an inside height of 10' 8" with no reference to end doors.  P2K did the Southern boxcars in this number series but that it all that I can come up with right now.

And for some reason Ike's boxcar book is in hiding tonight.  Once I flush it out maybe it will shed more light on this P2K kit.

Allen


Re: NPRHA decals for Rapido NP box.

Doug Pillow
 

I could see much better the old Champ decals on pink backing paper . Some of the sets were excellent
Doug Pillow


Still have one resin kit for sale

Jared Harper
 

I have a Rutland Car Shops resin kit for a Rutland 36' Rutland stock car.  With some work it can be bashed into a Santa Fe stock car.  Steve Sandifer did it.  My kit is for sale for $25 plus  shipping.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606


Another Proto2000 question

mopacfirst
 

Sorry I can't look this up for myself, but I've moved most of my reference material and not myself.

There are more than one Proto2000 50' double door box with end doors available on line, in the yellow lettering Be Specific and in a transitional red with white lettering with the shield UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD, and Automated Rail Way scheme.  I decaled one in the Be Specific scheme years ago, so my question is whether this scheme is legitimate and common.  This model, by the way, is marked NEW 9-56, which I know is not matching with the details of the car construction.

Second, related, question -- did these cars, which were probably early 40s construction, generally get roofwalk replacements?

ebay item number 333548211837
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-Proto-2000-30339-UP-Union-Pacific-50-Double-Door-Box-Car-161413/333548211837?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3D98c106fc841e419b84ef626996fcff05%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D402251792501%26itm%3D333548211837%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

Ron Merrick


Re: NPRHA decals for Rapido NP box.

Rod Miller
 

I've had the same experience. I believe it was because I used a permanent marker which must contain some solvents.

What luck have people had with non-permanent markers?


Re: NPRHA decals for Rapido NP box.

Hudson Leighton
 

Using a lightbox may be the way to see the decals better, if all else fails Tupperware and a Flashlight.

-Hudson


Re: NPRHA decals for Rapido NP box.

 

What about a highlighter instead? Like blue?

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 4, 2020, at 4:53 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

I tried that on a Microscale decal a few months ago and it did not work out well.  This was one of those sets with lots of dimensional data, which are extremely hard to see.  I used one of those large Sharpies and the fill of black color as viewed from the front was very splotchy, even when being colored over a couple of times.  That didn't help much in locating where to cut.  Worse, I thought that this made the decal very hard to release from the backing, almost impossible.  As in any controlled experiment, I tried some with and some without.  I could have been doing something wrong, but I'd rather not try this on any decal that might be hard to replace.

This technique was first mentioned in instructions from Oddballs.  I never tried it with an Oddballs decal, but those are old enough now that I've taken to painting the face of the decal with Microscale liquid decal film, which does a great job of preventing film breakup.

Ron Merrick


Re: NPRHA decals for Rapido NP box.

mopacfirst
 

I tried that on a Microscale decal a few months ago and it did not work out well.  This was one of those sets with lots of dimensional data, which are extremely hard to see.  I used one of those large Sharpies and the fill of black color as viewed from the front was very splotchy, even when being colored over a couple of times.  That didn't help much in locating where to cut.  Worse, I thought that this made the decal very hard to release from the backing, almost impossible.  As in any controlled experiment, I tried some with and some without.  I could have been doing something wrong, but I'd rather not try this on any decal that might be hard to replace.

This technique was first mentioned in instructions from Oddballs.  I never tried it with an Oddballs decal, but those are old enough now that I've taken to painting the face of the decal with Microscale liquid decal film, which does a great job of preventing film breakup.

Ron Merrick


You Can Model This Scene With Just Three Flat Cars And A Lot Of People!

Bob Chaparro
 

You Can Model This Scene With Just Three Flat Cars And A Lot Of People!

A 1953 photo from the Akron-Summit County Public Library:

https://www.summitmemory.org/digital/collection/ABJarchives/id/2001/

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Description: "Photograph of more than eighty employees of Biggs Boiler Works Co. lined up on three railroad flat cars to illustrate the length of a huge vulcanizer the Akron firm had just completed for the Johns-Manville Co. plant in Port Union, Ontario. The steel cylinder was one of the two longest ever shipped by Biggs. It measured 146 feet in length, 90 inches in diameter, and weighed 115,000 pounds. Because of its length and the necessity for avoiding curves, a special route to its destination had to be worked out."

Additional Description: "They're Making 'Em Big at Biggs Boiler / to Kuebler. 146 Ft. Long Cylinder at Biggs Boiler / 1-19-53 / They're Making 'Em Big At Biggs Boiler / More than 80 employees of Biggs Boiler Works Co. line up on three railroad flat cars to illustrate the length of a huge vulcanizer the Akron firm has just completed for Johns-Manville Co. plant in Port Union, Ont. The steel cylinder is one of the two longest ever shipped by Biggs. It measures 146 feet in length, 90 inches in diameter and weighs 115,000 pounds. Because of its length and the necessity for avoiding curves, a special route to its destination had to be worked out. / Beacon Journal Photograph"

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Allen,

Our friend Fenton Wells wrote an article in the November 2012 RMC on kitbashing the Southern cars to 10' IH.

I do not see Southern represented in two RMJ articles on the Lifelike cars by Richard Hendrickson, October 1995 and September 1996.

The 1944 ORER lists three classes of 50' 10' 6' IH double door boxcars with 15' 6" door openings: 40200-40249 (end doors and auto racks), 41500-41549 (end doors, no racks), 42000-42299 (no end doors or auto racks). Curiously, the total number of cars in each group is not filled in, suggesting they were pending delivery when the ORER was printed, though the "denotes additions" triangles are missing.

I have unbuilt Lifelike kit 21027 for Southern 40249, and kit 8419 for 42010. I seem to remember there was something a bit dodgy about these two cars, maybe the sills or something. They do look nice.

The only thing I can add is that I have a copy of a builder's photo of 39969 circa 1947. This car has Superior doors and 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:42 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Old subject but my memory is fading for some reason?

Were the P2K boxcars painted for the Southern accurate to any prototype?  I have several plus some undecorated kits that I am finally getting around to.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: Proto2000 Boxcars

rdgbuff56
 

Not sure.  But do have an updated for sale list.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Monday, May 4, 2020, 7:42:23 PM UTC, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


Old subject but my memory is fading for some reason?

Were the P2K boxcars painted for the Southern accurate to any prototype?  I have several plus some undecorated kits that I am finally getting around to.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Proto2000 Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

Old subject but my memory is fading for some reason?

Were the P2K boxcars painted for the Southern accurate to any prototype?  I have several plus some undecorated kits that I am finally getting around to.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Photo: D&RGW Gondolas 40560 & 40022

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: D&RGW Gondolas 40560 & 40022

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539326&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

14661 - 14680 of 187333