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Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
NP Ballast Car 85020
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Re: COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)
Eric Hansmann
These Smokebox Graphics decals sets look great and a bargain. I’d be cautious to imply they are definitive for early 1920s prototype lettering.
To clarify, the AA and PM as-built lettering for boxcars built in the early 1920s are not the same as the decal sets. The sets seem to follow the prototype lettering applied in the very late 1920s and beyond. A review of the as-built car images and the decal sets will reveal the differences.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Wilson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:15 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)
Smokebox Graphics decals are printed by Cartograph (same company Speedwitch uses) and are as good as anything out there. Not an extensive line but there is also a set for Ann Arbor RR boxcars that covers everything from the 1920's single sheath cars through the steel boxcars built 1948 to 1958. At ten bucks for a sheet that does multiple cars, I consider it to be a good bargain. Besides the PM and AA cars there are sets for New Haven and Buffalo Creek boxcars.
Craig Wilson
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
David Allen
Folks:
Consider NP 70049-70073, 35T cap, IL=33'1", IW=7'11", IH=5'9". Plans in American Engineer 70, 1896, pg34 Twenty five cars blt and still in 1906 ORER, only 15 left in 1911 ORER. Dave Allen
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Resin Car Works update
Eric Hansmann
An open load and a couple detail parts have been added to the Resin Car Works line. Details have been posted to the Resin Car Works blog. http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-open-load-and-parts/
Eric Hansmann RCW web guy
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Re: COHS PM Decals
Smokebox Graphics has an information sheet for this set on their website.
http://smokeboxgraphics.com/assets/df0187_instructions-color-web.pdf They also have a few additional steam-era decal sets. http://smokeboxgraphics.com/decals.html Paul Krueger Seattle, WA
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 08:39 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
But John, the car in the photo CLEARLY has an inside height well in excess of 2’-11”.Measured from where? The dimension is intended to be measured from a flat floor, but these new fangled hopper bottom gondolas don't have a flat floor, the outlets are at frame level and the floor, such as it is, slopes up from there. So where exactly is this dimension supposed to be taken from? If the guy submitting the data chose the top of the slope sheet as the "floor", the sides likely only extend 2'-11" higher. Really need a top of sides over rail dimension to make any sense of it. Dennis Storzek
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Re: COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)
Craig Wilson
Smokebox Graphics decals are printed by Cartograph (same company Speedwitch uses) and are as good as anything out there. Not an extensive line but there is also a set for Ann Arbor RR boxcars that covers everything from the 1920's single sheath cars through the steel boxcars built 1948 to 1958. At ten bucks for a sheet that does multiple cars, I consider it to be a good bargain. Besides the PM and AA cars there are sets for New Haven and Buffalo Creek boxcars. Craig Wilson
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Re: COHS PM Decals
Fritz Milhaupt
There is no other word for Smokebox Graphics' PM freight car and caboose decal set than "excellent". It contains lettering for PM flat cars, covered hoppers, 40- and 50-foot boxcars, 40-foot gondolas and PM cabooses.
The printing (by Cartograf) is crisp, and the artwork is accurate. One set should permit you to decal at least four assorted cars, and includes equipment trust lettering and a variety of repack and reweigh dates. This set is complete. When I was actively making and selling decals, I'd often thought about making a "master" set for PM freight cars. Smokebox Graphics actually went ahead and did it. Excellently. - Fritz Milhaupt Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society
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COHS PM Decals
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, Today I found this listing on the Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society's web page for PM decals: https://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41_42&products_id=3707 . This looks like a nice set, but appears to be rather generic. Smokebox Graphics is a company of which I have never heard. Have any of you used their products, and if so, how do the stack up? This appears to be the only steam-era freight set currently available from COHS. All the rest are either passenger cars/locomotive or too modern for us. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Schuyler Larrabee
But John, the car in the photo CLEARLY has an inside height well in excess of 2’-11”. Based on the men in the photo, the IH must be more on the order of at least 6’-0”.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Riddell
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.
John Riddell
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
An oyster car would have a roof, which this one doesn't.
There were coal hoppers built to a similar design, although the ones I've seen were much smaller. These had the dump doors tucked way up under the car so they wouldn't show in the photo. Here's a photo (ACF photo via Frank Ellington). Tom
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Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019
G.J. Irwin
As I said, the [2010-2019] discs are copy protected. You cannot copy them to any memory device.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Jack Mullen
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 02:27 PM, John Riddell wrote:
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.I think that the car in question may indeed be a Northern Pacific coal car, but with a 2' 11" IH, this probably isn't the right series. Height of the sides in the photo appears to be in the 5' to 6' range. Jack Mullen
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Steve SANDIFER
As I understand it, only one of Stillwell’s oyster cars was ever built.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Hi List Members,
How about the link below? Look similar?
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Hi Bob,
Perhaps it is a live fish car or a live oyster transport car. I have some vague memory these were discussed on this list in the past, maybe very distant past...
Somehow the term “Stillwell Live Oyster car” sticks in my head.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:53 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: boxcar roof mystery
Chet
Craig,
You may already have the answer as I am just now reading a few days worth of messages I jumped over. But starting with WAB 89300, the roofs were the diagonal panel type. Chet French Dixon, IL
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
John Riddell
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.
John Riddell
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Good for you Claus, I wondered about that too but had forgotten about the oyster car. But let's take a hard look at the car. 1. There appear to be no hoppers beneath the carbody proper as on a hopper car. 2. It is too tall to be easily shoveled out or to find traps to open on the floor. 3. There is a walkway showing on the sides that could be to stand on when dumping live oysters, or fish into tanks. 4. What we can see of the inside of the car really looks to light for a car used in coal service. 5. There are also two wheels along the top edge that could be used to open valves to drain the tanks. Some might say to crank open traps but with all that material on top of them I'd say you've got to be kidding! That does appear to be a boiler plant behind it however. Is the car #17116 or #17115? It will take some effort to convince me this is any type of hopper car or high side gondola. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:37 PM, Andy Laurent wrote:
I see "PACIFIC" and a 50000-series number on the right-center of the car's frame. Union, Southern, Missouri...? Interesting car, I wonder if it was classified as a gondola, hopper, or tank car.Looks like a drop bottom gondola of coal to me, although the unloading crew at the right end are not availing themselves of the drop door feature. Canneries use a lot of steam, and those two large stacks behind the car should provide a clue as to where it comes from. More interesting to me is the express car spotted to the far right; at least some of the product went out as fresh fish. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
How about the link below? Look similar?
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish
Company Hi Bob,
Perhaps it is a live fish car or a live oyster transport car. I have some
vague memory these were discussed on this list in the past, maybe very distant
past...
Somehow the term “Stillwell Live Oyster car” sticks in my head.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish
Company Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Andy Laurent
Bob,
I see "PACIFIC" and a 50000-series number on the right-center of the car's frame. Union, Southern, Missouri...? Interesting car, I wonder if it was classified as a gondola, hopper, or tank car. Andy L. Wisconsin
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