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Re: COHS PM Decals
Fritz Milhaupt
There is no other word for Smokebox Graphics' PM freight car and caboose decal set than "excellent". It contains lettering for PM flat cars, covered hoppers, 40- and 50-foot boxcars, 40-foot gondolas and PM cabooses.
The printing (by Cartograf) is crisp, and the artwork is accurate. One set should permit you to decal at least four assorted cars, and includes equipment trust lettering and a variety of repack and reweigh dates. This set is complete. When I was actively making and selling decals, I'd often thought about making a "master" set for PM freight cars. Smokebox Graphics actually went ahead and did it. Excellently. - Fritz Milhaupt Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society
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COHS PM Decals
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, Today I found this listing on the Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society's web page for PM decals: https://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41_42&products_id=3707 . This looks like a nice set, but appears to be rather generic. Smokebox Graphics is a company of which I have never heard. Have any of you used their products, and if so, how do the stack up? This appears to be the only steam-era freight set currently available from COHS. All the rest are either passenger cars/locomotive or too modern for us. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Schuyler Larrabee
But John, the car in the photo CLEARLY has an inside height well in excess of 2’-11”. Based on the men in the photo, the IH must be more on the order of at least 6’-0”.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Riddell
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.
John Riddell
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
An oyster car would have a roof, which this one doesn't.
There were coal hoppers built to a similar design, although the ones I've seen were much smaller. These had the dump doors tucked way up under the car so they wouldn't show in the photo. Here's a photo (ACF photo via Frank Ellington). Tom
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Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019
G.J. Irwin
As I said, the [2010-2019] discs are copy protected. You cannot copy them to any memory device.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Jack Mullen
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 02:27 PM, John Riddell wrote:
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.I think that the car in question may indeed be a Northern Pacific coal car, but with a 2' 11" IH, this probably isn't the right series. Height of the sides in the photo appears to be in the 5' to 6' range. Jack Mullen
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Steve SANDIFER
As I understand it, only one of Stillwell’s oyster cars was ever built.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Hi List Members,
How about the link below? Look similar?
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\) Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Hi Bob,
Perhaps it is a live fish car or a live oyster transport car. I have some vague memory these were discussed on this list in the past, maybe very distant past...
Somehow the term “Stillwell Live Oyster car” sticks in my head.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:53 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: boxcar roof mystery
Chet
Craig,
You may already have the answer as I am just now reading a few days worth of messages I jumped over. But starting with WAB 89300, the roofs were the diagonal panel type. Chet French Dixon, IL
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
John Riddell
According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.
John Riddell
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Good for you Claus, I wondered about that too but had forgotten about the oyster car. But let's take a hard look at the car. 1. There appear to be no hoppers beneath the carbody proper as on a hopper car. 2. It is too tall to be easily shoveled out or to find traps to open on the floor. 3. There is a walkway showing on the sides that could be to stand on when dumping live oysters, or fish into tanks. 4. What we can see of the inside of the car really looks to light for a car used in coal service. 5. There are also two wheels along the top edge that could be used to open valves to drain the tanks. Some might say to crank open traps but with all that material on top of them I'd say you've got to be kidding! That does appear to be a boiler plant behind it however. Is the car #17116 or #17115? It will take some effort to convince me this is any type of hopper car or high side gondola. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:37 PM, Andy Laurent wrote:
I see "PACIFIC" and a 50000-series number on the right-center of the car's frame. Union, Southern, Missouri...? Interesting car, I wonder if it was classified as a gondola, hopper, or tank car.Looks like a drop bottom gondola of coal to me, although the unloading crew at the right end are not availing themselves of the drop door feature. Canneries use a lot of steam, and those two large stacks behind the car should provide a clue as to where it comes from. More interesting to me is the express car spotted to the far right; at least some of the product went out as fresh fish. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
How about the link below? Look similar?
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish
Company Hi Bob,
Perhaps it is a live fish car or a live oyster transport car. I have some
vague memory these were discussed on this list in the past, maybe very distant
past...
Somehow the term “Stillwell Live Oyster car” sticks in my head.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish
Company Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Andy Laurent
Bob,
I see "PACIFIC" and a 50000-series number on the right-center of the car's frame. Union, Southern, Missouri...? Interesting car, I wonder if it was classified as a gondola, hopper, or tank car. Andy L. Wisconsin
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Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Bob,
Perhaps it is a live fish car or a live oyster transport car. I have some
vague memory these were discussed on this list in the past, maybe very distant
past...
Somehow the term “Stillwell Live Oyster car” sticks in my head.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish
Company Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
He told me that the files were a mess.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Thu, May 7, 2020 11:18 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019 Schuyler and all,
RMC has some 1950's material, several articles, some even requested by former editor Stephen Priest. It appears to me the magazine has gone in a different direction. That being said I suppose it is hard for Otto to know about all of the prior submissions
submitted to RMC under the previous regime.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io [schuyler.larrabee@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 10:48 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019 I know Mike Schafer of RMC fairly well, and what he says is that he can’t publish what he doesn’t have…That said, I wonder about the direction of the magazine under the new editor, Otto Vondrak. Perhaps he’s
pushing for more contemporary modeling coverage. I know the new editor got a lot of reader blow-back when he took the back and forth between Mike and Bill, the “Look Both Ways” column, and pushed it to the back of the magazine, and I think shortened it quite
a bit. I preferred the previous format and always enjoyed reading their differing approaches or opinions.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 8:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019 I scan the few articles of interest from MR and RMC so I can search them on the hard drive using keywords. The problem with that is that as interests and needs change, I have
to go back through the magazines to find the newly relevant material. I was hoping the ten year archive would facilitate that search. Content for my areas of interest has really slipped in both magazines – MR is to basic and RMC is moving past my cutoff era
for most content. The latest MR is pretty thin. I’m debating with myself about letting my subscription expire.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 6:57 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Railroad 10 Year Archive 201-2019 My Desktop Google Search can read my PDF files - but it can't get past DRM from Kalmbach. I scan great reference articles (like Tony Thompson's RMC SP article from 2-1993) and turn into PDF. A cheap all-in-one Canon (bought at Walmart for $39) does the scan, and came with the PDF software. Tim O'Connor On 5/7/2020 7:50 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company
Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company A circa 1907 photo from the University of Washington: https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/curtis/id/1489/rec/105 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit but I cannot discern the reporting marks. Location: Chlopeck Fish Co. packing warehouse on Railroad Ave., Seattle. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: My superglue spouts stick to the caps. - Tool to clean nozzle
Robert J Miller CFA
You can open the tip with virtually anything with a sharp point – even a dull one. I’ve used the T-pins from Plano Model works etched parts kits and a drill bit with a broken tip.
Besides the tip, one needs to check the sides of the tip for runoff.
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:06 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My superglue spouts stick to the caps. - Tool to clean nozzle
Can this not be done with a ladies common sewing pin or a needle with the one end pushed into a cork for grip?
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: NP Covered Hopper 75513
George Eichelberger
Thanks for the photo! Out of a dozen items in the most recent digest, it was the only thing that had anything to do with “RealSTMFC”.
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Re: My superglue spouts stick to the caps. - Tool to clean nozzle
Probes used by biology students also work to unclog super glue nozzles.
These are available very cheap on Amazon. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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ADMIN - let's focus on Freight Cars
Aley, Jeff A
Hi Folks,
Gentle reminder – this is the (real) Steam-Era Freight Cars list. It’s a place where we talk about Steam-Era Freight Cars (thank you, Captain Obvious!). Recently we’ve strayed into some specific modeling techniques (cutting styrene strips, unclogging glue bottles), which are related to STMFC’s. But we’ve also strayed farther afield into magazine archives, DCC sound, and the politics of a particular club.
Let’s be self-policing and try to confine ourselves to the topic of Steam-Era Freight Cars.
Thanks,
-Jeff Aley Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC
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