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Re: Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Tod,

No such thing as being an old fool.  I've been in the hobby for over 60 years, and every day I learn something new.  That's one of the delightful things that keeps me in the hobby.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Bruce Smith
 

As Tony says, many railroads used regular hoppers for ballast. Indeed, when I worked on a section gang summers in college, that is what we did. We would chain a tie in front of the wheels of the rear truck, open the hopper and use the tie to spread the ballast.

And, just to muddy the waters, some railroads built or purchased hoppers with longitudinal doors for coal and coke service. This tended to be early in the 20th century when facilities to unload were less sophisticated and a hopper that dumped away from or beside the rails could be desirable. It should come as no surprise that these coal hoppers often had a second life as ballast hoppers. An excellent example are the PRR’s GP and GPA classes of hopper. I know that the B&O also had a class of side dumping coal hopper.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



On May 8, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

So ballast hopper were purpose built for such service? I always thought they were rebuilt by the railroad or someone from standard hoppers. I guess I'm an old fool…. 

    No, some railroads used regular cross hoppers for ballast, but cars like the NP one shown were indeed purpose-built, and you can see the ballast doors permitted dumping outside the rails as well as inside, just what you need for ballasting work.

Tony Thompson





Re: Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Tony Thompson
 

So ballast hopper were purpose built for such service? I always thought they were rebuilt by the railroad or someone from standard hoppers. I guess I'm an old fool…. 

    No, some railroads used regular cross hoppers for ballast, but cars like the NP one shown were indeed purpose-built, and you can see the ballast doors permitted dumping outside the rails as well as inside, just what you need for ballasting work.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Benjamin Hom
 

Tod C Dwyer wrote:
"So ballast hopper[s] were purpose built for such service? I always thought they were rebuilt by the railroad or someone from standard hoppers. I guess I'm an old fool...."

Actually, it was a combination of all three - some were purpose built with longitudinal hoppers; some were converted from standard hoppers with changes in slope sheet angle and discharge gates, and some railroads pressed regular hoppers into service with partially open doors and a tie wedged under the wheels of the car to spread the ballast as the train moves.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Riverboy
 

So ballast hopper were purpose built for such service? I always thought they were rebuilt by the railroad or someone from standard hoppers. I guess I'm an old fool.... 

Tod C Dwyer

On Friday, May 8, 2020, 01:26:22 PM EDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:


NP Ballast Car 85020


New York circa 1910. "Williamsburg Bridge and East River waterfront.

Hudson Leighton
 

On Shorpy: New York circa 1910. "Williamsburg Bridge and East River waterfront.

Several loaded carfloats.

https://www.shorpy.com/node/25590

-Hudson


Re: Moloco instructions

 

Go to his website https://www.molocotrains.com/ and click on Freight Cars. Find your kit. On that page will be a link to comprehensive instructions. For example: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/files/MOLOCO_GA_50_RBL_kit_instructions_revA.pdf?12443893425265014117

 

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, May 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Moloco instructions

 

I have an undec Moloco RBL to build for a friend. There's no instructions in the kit box. Anyone have any, or know how to get them?
Thanks alot!
CW Propst


Moloco instructions

Clark Propst
 

I have an undec Moloco RBL to build for a friend. There's no instructions in the kit box. Anyone have any, or know how to get them?
Thanks alot!
CW Propst


Re: COHS PM Decals

Chet
 

Smokebox Graphics also offer an Ann Arbor box car set which will do four cars.  The set covers the 1950's.  A Buffalo Creek set which will do two cars.  Early 1950's.
and a New Haven set for a 1955 reblt 1937 AAR car  in the orange scheme with the large NH.  He was at the Chicagoland meet a few years ago and I purchased the
Ann Arbor set then.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Photo: LPTC 2470 (Poultry Car)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: LPTC 2470 (Poultry Car)

Photo and story from the Alabama Pioneers website:

https://www.alabamapioneers.com/aint-no-spring-chickens/

Scroll down just a bit to see the photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NP Ballast Car 85020

Hudson Leighton
 

NP Ballast Car 85020


Re: COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)

Eric Hansmann
 

These Smokebox Graphics decals sets look great and a bargain. I’d be cautious to imply they are definitive for early 1920s prototype lettering.

 

To clarify, the AA and PM as-built lettering for boxcars built in the early 1920s are not the same as the decal sets. The sets seem to follow the prototype lettering applied in the very late 1920s and beyond. A review of the as-built car images and the decal sets will reveal the differences.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Wilson
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)

 

Smokebox Graphics decals are printed by Cartograph (same company Speedwitch uses) and are as good as anything out there.  Not an extensive line but there is also a set for Ann Arbor RR boxcars that covers everything from the 1920's single sheath cars through the steel boxcars built 1948 to 1958.  At ten bucks for a sheet that does multiple cars, I consider it to be a good bargain.  Besides the PM and AA cars there are sets for New Haven and Buffalo Creek boxcars.

 

Craig Wilson


Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company

David Allen
 

Folks:

Consider NP 70049-70073, 35T cap, IL=33'1", IW=7'11", IH=5'9". Plans in American Engineer 70, 1896, pg34
Twenty five cars blt and still in 1906 ORER, only 15 left in 1911 ORER.

Dave Allen


Resin Car Works update

Eric Hansmann
 

An open load and a couple detail parts have been added to the Resin Car Works line. Details have been posted to the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-open-load-and-parts/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: COHS PM Decals

Paul Krueger
 

Smokebox Graphics has an information sheet for this set on their website.

http://smokeboxgraphics.com/assets/df0187_instructions-color-web.pdf

They also have a few additional steam-era decal sets.
http://smokeboxgraphics.com/decals.html

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 08:39 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
But John, the car in the photo CLEARLY has an inside height well in excess of 2’-11”.
Measured from where? The dimension is intended to be measured from a flat floor, but these new fangled hopper bottom gondolas don't have a flat floor, the outlets are at frame level and the floor, such as it is, slopes up from there. So where exactly is this dimension supposed to be taken from? If the guy submitting the data chose the top of the slope sheet as the "floor", the sides likely only extend 2'-11" higher. Really need a top of sides over rail dimension to make any sense of it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: COHS PM Decals (Smokebox Graphics)

Craig Wilson
 

Smokebox Graphics decals are printed by Cartograph (same company Speedwitch uses) and are as good as anything out there.  Not an extensive line but there is also a set for Ann Arbor RR boxcars that covers everything from the 1920's single sheath cars through the steel boxcars built 1948 to 1958.  At ten bucks for a sheet that does multiple cars, I consider it to be a good bargain.  Besides the PM and AA cars there are sets for New Haven and Buffalo Creek boxcars.

Craig Wilson


Re: COHS PM Decals

Fritz Milhaupt
 

There is no other word for Smokebox Graphics' PM freight car and caboose decal set than "excellent". It contains lettering for PM flat cars, covered hoppers, 40- and 50-foot boxcars, 40-foot gondolas and PM cabooses.

The printing (by Cartograf) is crisp, and the artwork is accurate. One set should permit you to decal at least four assorted cars, and includes equipment trust lettering and a variety of repack and reweigh dates. This set is complete.

When I was actively making and selling decals, I'd often thought about making a "master" set for PM freight cars. Smokebox Graphics actually went ahead and did it. Excellently.

- Fritz Milhaupt
Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society


COHS PM Decals

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Today I found this listing on the Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society's web page for PM decals: https://chessieshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41_42&products_id=3707 . This looks like a nice set, but appears to be rather generic.

Smokebox Graphics is a company of which I have never heard. Have any of you used their products, and if so, how do the stack up?

This appears to be the only steam-era freight set currently available from COHS. All the rest are either passenger cars/locomotive or too modern for us.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company

Schuyler Larrabee
 

But John, the car in the photo CLEARLY has an inside height well in excess of 2’-11”.  Based on the men in the photo, the IH must be more on the order of at least 6’-0”.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Riddell
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Hopper Car At Fish Company

 

According to the 1891 ORER, NP 50355 was one of 356 NP coal gondolas in series 50201-50999. Inside length 33.4, inside width 7-4, inside height 2-11, capacity 4,000.

 

John Riddell

 

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