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Re: Athearrn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

[Corrected copy]

Larry Smith asked:
"Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?"

Lots of paint schemes that belonged on PS-1s, but no PS-1 model.


"Besides Kadee, who else has made them in plastic?"

Assuming you're asking about HO scale, in roughly chronological order:
Kurtz-Kraft (Cannonball Car Shops)
Roco (AHM, Model Power, Con-Cor)
McKean
Accurail
Intermountain
MTH


Ben Hom


Re: Athearrn boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Smith asked:
"Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?"

Lots of paint schemes that belonged on PS-1s, but no PS-1 model.


"Besides Kadee, who else has made them in plastic?"

Assuming you're asking about HO scale, in roughly chronological order:
Kurtz-Kraft (Cannonball Car Shops)
Roco (AHM, Model Power, Con-Cor)
McKean
Accurail
MTH


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for the interesting images and the links.
 
There are some other views on this site as well, one is at the link below. Can anyone ID the road name on the gondola, I want to say N&W, but it is difficult to say really. The full resolution image can be seen at...
 
 
Some additional image info can be found at ...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 6:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676
 


Re: Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

Rupert Gamlen
 

Historically speaking and being parsimonious -

It has been the custom for all time to paint the trucks black.  This necessitated the changing of pots and brushes when the painting of the body was finished and work commenced on the trucks.  The company [i.e. CB&Q] is commencing now to paint the trucks the same color as the body of the car.  This appears to be a small matter, but in the course of a year the time saved in changing, and the cost of extra pots, brushes, etc. dispensed with, amounts to a very considerable little sum.

Railway Review 1887

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2020 11:41 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

Reading between the lines of the Burlington Route Historical Society's Burlington Bulletin No. 7, on the Burlington's XM-32 boxcars (including the FW&D and C&S cars) and which describes one-stop painting, and which does not mention any change in colors while painting, I would hazard a guess that it was all the same color.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 12:03 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

 

In my isolation I am completing work on  Fort Worth and Denver (CB&Q) boxcar in the 8300 series.  My question is weee the trucks and under-rated the same color as the car or were they black?

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Bill Pardie


SHPX number artwork

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

I have been working on renumbering some Intermountain 1958 cuft covered hoppers.  These are the grey SHPX leased to CB&Q cars with stock number 48605.  I was able to scan the car sides and redraw the numbers in Corel Draw to use as decal artwork for personal uses only.  The file has the 0-9 numbers in both the car side and car end sizes matched to the existing lettering.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NED8g7ujSiIQj0W1uq2-Cb6JyhP5gYdU

Eric Mumper


Re: Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

Nelson Moyer
 

The Q painted all boxcars a mineral red color on all surfaces including trucks through 1958. I don’t model beyond that date, so I won’t comment on the Chinese Red era. I like Tru Color CB&Q Freight Car Red, but if you use it be sure to prime with Tamiya Fine Light Gray.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

 

 

 

In my isolation I am completing work on  Fort Worth and Denver (CB&Q) boxcar in the 8300 series.  My question is weee the trucks and under-rated the same color as the car or were they black?

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Bill Pardie


Re: Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars

Richard Townsend
 

Reading between the lines of the Burlington Route Historical Society's Burlington Bulletin No. 7, on the Burlington's XM-32 boxcars (including the FW&D and C&S cars) and which describes one-stop painting, and which does not mention any change in colors while painting, I would hazard a guess that it was all the same color.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 12:03 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Question On FW&D Boxcars



In my isolation I am completing work on  Fort Worth and Denver (CB&Q) boxcar in the 8300 series.  My question is weee the trucks and under-rated the same color as the car or were they black?
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

     I try not to let the perfect be the enemy of the pretty good.

Tony Thompson




Drying time for resin cars

Larry Smith
 

Does it take a longer drying time after painting resin cars then styrene cars?

Larry Smith


Re: Athearrn boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

Athearn did not. Kurtz Kraft, AHM, McKean, and Intermountain did or does.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Smith <wooddale@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 4:23 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Athearrn boxcar

Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?  Besides Kadee, who else has made them in pl;astic.

Larry Smith


Re: Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish.

Lee Singletary
 

I've been using Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish for about a year now.
Got the Idea from a military modeling blog.
They suggested using Tamiya Acrylic Thinner to thin it down a bit, which I have been doing. Works great  and without that awful Dullcote smell!

Lee

Lee Singletary
Alabaster, Alabama



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 5:39 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish.

Friends,

On one of the modeling forums someone mentioned Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish as a possible substitute for Testors Dullcote. I had to try it as I want to go all acrylic.  Using it made me a believer. I took some photos and added them to my blog, take a look .

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/
 


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Richard Brennan
 

At 03:59 PM 5/10/2020, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
<snip>
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16066coll27/id/8731/rec/47
Is that a shop-built tool for taking the 'bulge' from freight damage out of the stamped steel ends?
I didn't even think that was possible!


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Athearrn boxcar

Larry Smith
 

Did Athearn ever make a PS-1?  Besides Kadee, who else has made them in pl;astic.

Larry Smith


Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Bob Chaparro
 


RI 1958cuft covered hoppers

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Maybe it is time for another obscure question about covered hoppers - this time the Rock Island 1958 cuft covered hoppers.  In RP Cyc 27 on page 83 it shows number 436 delivered with the words "WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO DES MOINES IA".  The cars as painted by Intermountain have the destination as "BAUXITE ARK".  Would anybody have any idea what other destinations were originally stencilled?  Thanks.

Eric Mumper


Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish.

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

On one of the modeling forums someone mentioned Winsor & Newton Galeria Matt Varnish as a possible substitute for Testors Dullcote. I had to try it as I want to go all acrylic.  Using it made me a believer. I took some photos and added them to my blog, take a look .

http://bomodeling.com/2020/04/30/developing-my-painting-and-decaling-techniques-for-ho-scale-freight-cars/


Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: -- C&BT Upgrade

O Fenton Wells
 

Andy I can't argue with your logic but for the 40 ft DD cars CB&T, Front Range and McKean are good low cost alternatives, rivets and all....at least for me.  Here is my version of the B&O M-59 as I couldn't find a Sunshine version and boy I tried.  Although some modelers might not be, I'm OK with it as a nice stand in for the Sunshine car.
Fenton

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:06 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

1) the rivets are so oversized that I made a decision that all of my 12-panel 40' box cars would be kit bashed from Branchline 16-panel riveted side single 8' single door box cars. If any interest ask me and I will explain the process. I count 35 oversized rivets from top to bottom on a panel edge on a CB&T body shell. The Branchline has about 44 rivets, and are closer to scale sized.
Branchline box car rivets








2) The ends have a truly weird edge to the main ribs and the thinner inner ridge. Look at photo comparisons.
CB&T Dreadnaught end from 12-panel box car


Branchline R_3/4 IDE


Terry Wegmann HO IDE



Real R+3/4 IDE

My GN box car expert friend, Staffan Ehnbom, made a really nice 10'6" IH GN 12-panel box car. He sanded down the sides of a Branchline 40' box car and added Archer rivets. With the superior ends and scale rivet spacing, the car is exquisite.

Certainly a fine group of CB&T models, making for an attractive build; but the issues I mention above are deal-breakers for me.

-Andy Carlson

******************
     Bob, just saw your "rescue" of a C&BT Shops box car. These kits have an undeservedly bad reputation, because of the truly awful detail sprues, but the car bodies are usable for a number of prototypes. Doing as you did, replacing all the details, is exactly the right approach.
      And the paint and light weathering are fine too!

Tony Thompson




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-- C&BT Upgrade

Andy Carlson
 

A real risk of offending folks on this subject, but I heavily disagree on the acceptance of the CB&T Shops car body. I think the Bad reputation is deserved.

1) the rivets are so oversized that I made a decision that all of my 12-panel 40' box cars would be kit bashed from Branchline 16-panel riveted side single 8' single door box cars. If any interest ask me and I will explain the process. I count 35 oversized rivets from top to bottom on a panel edge on a CB&T body shell. The Branchline has about 44 rivets, and are closer to scale sized.
Branchline box car rivets








2) The ends have a truly weird edge to the main ribs and the thinner inner ridge. Look at photo comparisons.
CB&T Dreadnaught end from 12-panel box car


Branchline R_3/4 IDE


Terry Wegmann HO IDE



Real R+3/4 IDE

My GN box car expert friend, Staffan Ehnbom, made a really nice 10'6" IH GN 12-panel box car. He sanded down the sides of a Branchline 40' box car and added Archer rivets. With the superior ends and scale rivet spacing, the car is exquisite.

Certainly a fine group of CB&T models, making for an attractive build; but the issues I mention above are deal-breakers for me.

-Andy Carlson

******************
     Bob, just saw your "rescue" of a C&BT Shops box car. These kits have an undeservedly bad reputation, because of the truly awful detail sprues, but the car bodies are usable for a number of prototypes. Doing as you did, replacing all the details, is exactly the right approach.
      And the paint and light weathering are fine too!

Tony Thompson



Re: RI 1944 AAR Boxcar -- C&BT Upgrade #2

James Brewer
 

Thanks Bob!


Re: RI 1944 AAR Boxcar -- C&BT Upgrade #2

Tony Thompson
 

     Bob, just saw your "rescue" of a C&BT Shops box car. These kits have an undeservedly bad reputation, because of the truly awful detail sprues, but the car bodies are usable for a number of prototypes. Doing as you did, replacing all the details, is exactly the right approach.
      And the paint and light weathering are fine too!

Tony Thompson



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