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Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

This is a photo from the Erie Lackawanna E-Mail List Photo Archive:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-05-20/C2768.jpg

I assume this is a gondola and not a flat car fitted with sides.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


We have had quite a few posts recently on removing factory lettering from plastic cars.
Does anyone have a recommendation for removing lettering from brass cars while preserving the factory paint?

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 5/12/20 6:41 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Hi Fred:

I would love to see photos id your revamped cars.

Bill Parsie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Date: 5/12/20 4:54 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: 1910 view of a NYC&HR composite gon...

lrkdbn
 

This was actually a very common car on the NYC Lines-they had some 16000 of them. Some later rebuilt to outside stake cars,last ones in service about 1925.
Larry King


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Bill Welch
 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:24 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Them who knowingly spreads misinformation is just as guilty as them who creates it. ;-)

As HST was fond of saying, the buck stops here!

On 5/12/2020 6:27 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Just the messenger Dennis, just the messenger.

Bill Welch
--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
I think the key word there Tim is "knowingly." I had no idea you thought so little of me that you think I would do that.

Bill Welch


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Hi Fred:

I would love to see photos id your revamped cars.

Bill Parsie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Date: 5/12/20 4:54 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Nelson Moyer
 

Very astute! I ordered six now in my hold box at the dealer awaiting imminent arrival of some GP-7s. Intermountain ignores complaints about errors and foobies, so nothing changes. My last three orders of PFE reefers all had different colors of mineral red roofs and ends. At least I know what I’m faced with ahead of time on this order – a paint strip and complete rebuild. That’s my last Intermountain preorder, more pigs in pokes for me.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

Goes goes to reinforce that RTR means ready to repair. 
I think I ordered 2 of the reefers myself. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 12, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am now glad I exhibited amazing sloth about ordering these in advance . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fred Jansz
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Edward
 

For a short while it was also used for locomotive and automotive headlights designed to burn acetylene.
It was used until electric light bulbs and their elements improved enough to survive rough use from the vibrations and shocks encountered. 
Ed Bommer


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Tim O'Connor
 


I remember those toy cannons! I think vinegar or some other liquid was added to set off the reaction.


On 5/12/2020 10:24 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io wrote:

I have a small (16”long) model cannon that my dad used to fire every once in a while, which used Calcium Carbide as the explosive force.  I don’t know how to use it (which may be just as well , . . 😊 ) but I do remember that it made one hell of a loud bang when it fired.  I don’t remember what the shot was, but I do remember it went a good long way.  I’ve often thought I should let it go but then I worry that somebody would fool around with it and get hurt.

 

I think that CC can also be used in headlamps used in mines, but not sure about that.

 

Schuyler



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doors

Rick Jesionowski
 

Is there any source of 8' wide Superior Doors for a 10' IH Boxcar?

If not looks like scratcbulding time.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Fred Jansz
 

Guys,
I own six R18,19 & 21 cars of their previous 'Wegmann' runs.
ALL of them had severe underframe and brake system problems, wrong heralds and or dates, etc.
So during all those years nothing -except the price- has changed so it seems...;-((
Dismantled the underframes and brake systems, mounted new improved parts.
Took the decals and paint off (they were kind of mud-ish orange) and repainted/redecaled.
Still have to refurbish 4 of them..., just like the prototypes.
cheers,
Fred Jansz


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have a small (16”long) model cannon that my dad used to fire every once in a while, which used Calcium Carbide as the explosive force.  I don’t know how to use it (which may be just as well , . . 😊 ) but I do remember that it made one hell of a loud bang when it fired.  I don’t remember what the shot was, but I do remember it went a good long way.  I’ve often thought I should let it go but then I worry that somebody would fool around with it and get hurt.

 

I think that CC can also be used in headlamps used in mines, but not sure about that.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ID Help With Container Car

 


CALCIUM CARBIDE containers. Not waste, but evidently nasty stuff.


On 5/12/2020 7:08 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Friends,

 

The attached photo of a container car is well beyond our era of interest. I was hoping to learn more about the car itself to see if it would barely scrape into our last year or so.

 

The car in question is CCKX 281. The only reference I can find to this reporting mark is California 

Contemporary, Inc., which doesn't seem right. I shot this in the SP/UP Roseville yard near the RIP track around 1987. I suspect the car is loaded with toxic waste of some sort.

 

Any help with the car's origin and who it belonged to would be appreciated.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

Attachments:

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Dennis Storzek
 

I hate picking apart someone else's work, but in the interest of not furthering misinformation:

Page nine has a cut-away view of a KC brake having an integral cut-out cock; this may well be an illustration from the patent for the original H equipment, since K equipment doesn't have this cut-out.

Page ten snows a pictorial view of K brake equipment with the release valve properly shown at the center of the top of the reservoir (the side toward the floor.

Page twelve shows the author's model with the release rod terminating at the triple valve rather than at the aforementioned release valve.

None of the material on AB brakes shows the release valve or its rod at all, On AB equipment the release valve is on the control valve.

Page 21 gives the pipe sizes as the Outside Diameter, while the dimensions cited are actually the trade size of the pipe, the OD (what we model) is larger.

The model observation car has a UC-12 control valve, which hadn't yet been developed when that car was built, and those cars had a short life.

He presents a PC brake diagram, but not PM or LN or UC-12, all much more common systems.

I can't comment on the vacuum brakes.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Milk cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

That is correct Don. You are refering specifically to GPEX #803 and #804 both of which 
were rebuilds of earlier wood sheathed milk tank cars. General American used a cover
for the two 3,000 gal. tanks each on these two cars that was similar to, but different, from 
that used by the cars that Borden owned outright. The two GPEX cars were leased to
H.P. Hood & Sons thus being seen in service only in New England or as far out of it as 
the large Hood plant in Eagle Bridge, NY. If someone needs a photo to show the 
difference between the two Hood cars and the Borden cars I could post photos of the two
Hood cars with some guidance as I've had no luck in doing so since the change was made
to groups.io. I have both builder's photos and in service photos of the two Hood cars and 
expect everyone knows what the Borden cars looked like.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Garth,
 
Back in the 1990s and early 2000s I used to regularly get to check out the railroad cars being handled at the former SP yard in South San Francisco. A car much like this one, perhaps even the SAME one, would show up every once in a while. I checked it out at the time, and my memory is that these containers contain calcium carbide.
 
I think one of the containers, closest to your camera, might be stenciled PACIFIC CARBIDE.
 
As I recall, the containers had a footprint of around 4ft square. As you can see in your image, there is a set of angle bars over the top of the containers to hold them securely in place during transit. Calcium carbide is used in the industrial world to make acetylene gas. There was a industrial gas business not far from the yard I mentioned, I think the business was called County Welding, they may have been the recipient of this material and may have used it to make acetylene on site.
 
As a final item, link to a discussion regarding calcium carbide freight cars...
 
 
Hope this helps!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:08 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ID Help With Container Car
 
Friends,
 
The attached photo of a container car is well beyond our era of interest. I was hoping to learn more about the car itself to see if it would barely scrape into our last year or so.
 
The car in question is CCKX 281. The only reference I can find to this reporting mark is California
Contemporary, Inc., which doesn't seem right. I shot this in the SP/UP Roseville yard near the RIP track around 1987. I suspect the car is loaded with toxic waste of some sort.
 
Any help with the car's origin and who it belonged to would be appreciated.
 
Yours Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

Tim O'Connor
 


Dave, there is absolutely no shortage of excellent information about air brakes. I'm pretty sure we've
all been discussing them by email for the past 25 years. Here are a couple of items for you.




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ID Help With Container Car

James Brewer
 

Garth,

The reporting mark CCKX is not listed in my July 1958 ORER.  A google search of reporting marks indicates it is assigned to CCKX Incorported!

 https://trn.trains.com/railroads/abcs-of-railroading/2006/05/railroad-reporting-marks

A further google search of CCKX led to http://www.cckxleasing.com/

In my quick look I couldn't find when this company began operations.

Jim Brewer


Re: Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Richard,

What looks like "rust" turns out to be the leftover FCR paint!  At first I was noticing the white around the hatches, thinking salt, and therefore thinking rust.  I was wondering what iron the rust might be coming from.  Obviously, it's not.  Thanks for the shared photo!   that would be a fun weathering project.

Dave Bott

Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:43:20 PM, you wrote:


How about this:



Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 4:33 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Roof photo of a 7000-7099 Swift reefer

I have an old Walthers 40' DS wood reefer with wood ends Swift 932-2428. With all the new 37' reefer models by Rapido, I began researching info on Swift reefers. I found a photo of SRLX 7045 that shows the B end and sides, this is a 40' length series of swift reefers. I think I can kitbash a reasonable model of this series using the Walthers kit. The cars were built in the 1930's so I am assuming they had a wood roof like the 37' Rapido cars. I model 1955 and my 1958 ORER shows there were still 81 cars in existence, so I think this would be car to contrast with the 37' wood and 40' steel Swift reefers in my fleet.

Any help with info on the roofs of these cars would be most helpful.

Thanks

Al Smith
Sonora CA



--
David Bott

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David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: Resource about Freight Car Brakes and Braking

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Dennis,

Such as....?

Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 12:42:55 AM, you wrote:


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 03:19 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

A friend on Facebook found this resource and posted the link for it: http://sld-nmra.ca/freight_car/ref_material/braking_trains.pdf?fbclid=IwAR17qjVSUv_iuhFYt7PPsxfB0s2i-9GHQp-78PG96-tDDnc418RvfpzCIko
Bill,

Hate to say it, but there are better references around, with fewer errors of both fact and interpretation.

Dennis Storzek



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34

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