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Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

I find the Kadee 88 wheels to be excellent in many ways, not excluding appearance and quality assurance as to gauge, etc.  The blackening will not leave residue on the rails. Shining  the treads certainly looks good, but operationally, it is not necessary.  

The axle lengths last measured were a uniform 1.015” (like the current Rapido), but the ends are have currently-unusual thick acetal curved-taper ends.  Unlike most other current high quality metal wheel sets, e.g. IM, Reboxx, Exactrail, Rapido, and (reportedly) Molocco that have straight taper 2mm ends, the combination of acetal (vs. metal), and the thicker ends makes these fine wheels sometimes difficult to adapt effectively to trucks other than Kadee.  I still try to use them as often as I can, but for my purposes (maximum rollability), that is not often as I would like.  I keep  trying, however.

Denny
 
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864




Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

spsalso
 

I have had some experience with Lionel hot stamping their lettering.  I am a proud owner of an AB set of their HO T&P Alco FA's.  I intended to convert them to GN.  I had to turn them into undecs.  I found that they had melted their lettering into the plastic shell a bit, and that I had to do some scraping to try to eliminate it.

I do suspect that the process on plastic is different than on metal.  By decades, if no other.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Todd Sullivan
 

Yup, still coated black.  I decided to try some of Kadee's code 88 wheel sets, but I don't have an operating layout at the moment, so I can't comment on whether or not the wheels still deposit 'stuff' on the rails that interfere with electrical pickup.  BTW, I use a Dremel tool with a wire brush to shiny up the wheel treads.  They look better and may not deposit as much on the rails.  I've been doing that for 20+ years, although I switched to shiny metal wheels on all cars about 15 years ago, so this is an experiment.

Todd Sullivan


Re: NRC / MDT reefers - Plug vs Hinged Doors formerly

twsicrr
 

According to Roger Hindman’s MDT book, NRC 20079 (pictured in Jim King’s post), was one of 200 cars built by Pacific Car and Foundry for MDT and NRC in 1958 (Lot 571, some, perhaps all, leased to IC). Some, perhaps all, of the 1958 PC&F cars had plug doors.

A photo on page 208 in Hindman shows MDT 13550 (one of 1,000 cars built as Lot 561 by PC&F for MDT/NRC from July through November 1956) had hinged doors. Some of those cars were also leased to IC.

Almost all the earlier MDT/NRC refrigerator cars It built at Despatch shops from July 1946 through February 1954 had the more typical hinged doors; however, a chart in Roger Hindman’s MDT book shows that 40 cars, MDT 9935 - 9974 (built by Despatch shops in 1948 as part of Lot 844) had five foot sliding doors. They were apparently leased to NYC.

Tom Sinks
126 Connally St.
Black Mountain, NC 28711
Email: Twsgso@...
Mobile/Text: 336-202-3545


Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

I am thinking of trying out some of the above to replace some of the code 110 wheels in my Kadee trucks. Are they the same blackish metal as the code 110 wheels?. The wheel treads are not shiny?

Brian J. Carlson


Re: 10' High by 8' Wide Superior Doorsbu

Rick Jesionowski
 

Thanks for all the information, I will probably end up scratchbuilding them as I was going to do the EJ&E cars like one of the respondents noted what he had done.

I have made a number of Superior doors for 60' High Cube Boxcars, should not be any more difficult.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

I see Ken Patterson is gushing over the latest InterMountain offerings, including the less-than-perfect PFE reefers, on his "What's Neat This Week in Model Railroading" Show #115:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=X8YGQwo5jHI

Shows like these remind me why I stopped subscribing to certain car magazines.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Bruce,

Stan offered many castings that were NOT complete kits - they were just kitbashing parts.
One of the items he offered was the "IC reefer door" intended to be used with the Intermountain
R-40-23/25 body.



On 5/13/2020 6:24 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Gang,

I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


I was also going to mention Stan - he offered a huge variety of 'kitbash' kits.

The PFE R-40-27 also had these plug+swing doors but differed in many respects
such as the side panels, riveting, ends, and roof. Challenger imported HO scale brass
models of the R-40-27.

Around the same time period the Northern Pacific got "double hinged" doors as seen
in the attached photo. They were built by PC&F like the PFE R-40-27s and had the
same roof and ends and rivet style as the PFE cars.



On 5/13/2020 4:51 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
Jim, Stan Rydarowicz made kit-conversions of this style, using an Intermountain R-40-23 as a core. As you probably well know Stan passed away several years ago and no one that I know of has his original masters.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 03:11:52 PM CDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Richard Townsend
 

Well I stand, um, informed, I guess. That's a really narrow sliding plug door. Without looking at any source such as an ORER, I'll bet the total door width is six feet, with the slider being about four.


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All-
Au contraire….NRC 20079 has a left-opening Plug Door and a (less than) Half Width Right Hinged Door.  An unusual combination to be sure!
Charlie Vlk
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer
 
Gang,
 
I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?
 
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer
 
Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.
Jeff White
Alma, IL
On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:
Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.
 
Jim King
 


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Dave Nelson
 

I find it interesting how there is a ladder on the side sill by the door.  How common was that?

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer

 

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Richard Townsend
 

Stan did a door-and-a-half kit. Mine is labeled as a PFE R-40-28 model. The instructions call out decals for other RRs and owners including NRC, but I think the instructions are generic for all his reefer kits. A David Hussey photo from CCB in 2015 shows a spread of Stan's models, with a door-and-a-half car lettered for MDT partly showing at one edge. I don't know whether Stan offered the cars for NRC/MDT.


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer

Gang,

I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer
 
Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.
Jeff White
Alma, IL
On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:
Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.
 
Jim King
 


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Au contraire….NRC 20079 has a left-opening Plug Door and a (less than) Half Width Right Hinged Door.  An unusual combination to be sure!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer

 

Gang,

 

I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer

 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Bruce Smith
 

Gang,

I'm puzzled. The car Jim posted has a door and a half PLUG door. The IM car has regular reefer doors. Indeed, IM did an NRC/IC paint job on this car (40518-11), which is the IM R-40-23. Stan did kits for the IC 50000-50299 and 50300-50499 reefers based on the IM R-40-23 with new resin sides, but I don't thing that these are the car in Jim's post, which is in the NRC 20000 series... or am I missing something?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeffrey White <jrwhite@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] IC-NRC reefer
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: REMOVING FACTORY LETTERING

Charlie Vlk
 

Dick-

Sounds like the “hot stamp” process which Lionel used on many of their tinplate cars.  It has been used in HO and N but not as much as the Tampo process.  The heat tends to melt in the lettering to the body.  I think it is used for printing silver window frames on raised clear inserts by some factories.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dick Harley via groups.io
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Bill,

For the past 20 years or so (maybe more), I believe most Korean factory lettered brass has used what I understand to be a "thermal" decal process.  In that process the lettering is on a film which is applied to the model.  Then, it is heated to set the lettering on the model, and the film is removed.  It looks like pad printing, since there is no film left on the model, but it is very much more difficult to remove.  I have not yet done too much experimenting, and I should do more.  I have yet to find a chemical that softens the lettering.  It may be that the lettering needs to be removed mechanically (it's on top of the base colors), and then the surface buffed back to a smooth finish.  


Probably not what you wanted to hear,
Dick Harley


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Tony Thompson
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

        The silver roof was as-buiilt. They got repainted within a couple of years.

Tony Thompson




Re: IC-NRC reefer

 

Jim, Stan Rydarowicz made kit-conversions of this style, using an Intermountain R-40-23 as a core. As you probably well know Stan passed away several years ago and no one that I know of has his original masters.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 03:11:52 PM CDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Jeffrey White
 

Intermountain 40518-03 is close.  The car has black ends and a silver roof.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 5/13/2020 3:11 PM, Jim King wrote:

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


IC-NRC reefer

Jim King
 

Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: Photo: Hopper Blooper

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
I’m surprised the water is so shallow at this point, I would have expected it to be deeper.
 
You can tell from the high water mark on the pilings that they are working at low tide to make rigging easier. I don't expect those car floats draft very much at all.

Dennis Storzek

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