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Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?
Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype? Does this HO scale Kurtz Kraft PFE reefer resemble any particular PFE prototype or is it a foobie? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)
Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
Bob, Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car) A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website: https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676
Dennis Storzek
http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16066coll27/id/8731/rec/47
Why does everybody keep making this about the coupler? It's an END STRAIGHTENER. The rod back to the knuckle pin is the anchor. When the guy with the welder's goggles at the left in the picture raises the jack, the handle of which he is resting his hand on, the rig pulls against the coupler, while the two legs above push on the end. The guys with the sledges are there to help it along, really there to make a racket so the foreman knows they are working and stays in his office. The light block and tackle hung on the running board bracket is only there to help position the push legs, using the chain draped over the legs. Dennis Storzek
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Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Andy Carlson
My train room sits atop my 36' x 64' 2-story structure. My two 16' RR benchworks are directy over on one of two 12"x12"x66' Doug Fir beams. This whole place was my childhood friend's family owned house and 2-story building. He told me that back in 1960, building the 2-story his dad purchased two beams from a wooden bridge being pulled out due to the forthcoming waters of the new Lake Casitas impoundment. I can not even see a good chance for a purchase today of beams of this size, and to understand that each of these "toothpick" beams could have been cut into 9 of my 12x12 beams! The Pacific Northwest sure had some impressive trees! I remember around the early 1970s we started to see a drop in lumber quality in Southern California, as lots of 2nd growth Doug Fir was starting to overtake the old growth stuff. The changeover for quite some time is now complete; you can not find old growth, fine grain 2x6 units anywhere, at least new. Restoring old wooden freight cars today requires some changes, such as glue-lams or even recycled milk bottle constructed beams, as most remaining old growth is too valuable and much goes to window, door and sash mills.. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:57 AM, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:
b) Advertisements may be painted upon passenger equipment used in special train movements the expense of painting and removal to be borne by the user This does not prohibit the placing of advertisements or banners on the lading or attaching them to temporary stakes used to secure the lading on open top carsSo, since the banners are attached to the timbers, they are good to travel that way. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Google can be your friend, but it can take a while to find.
"Rule 8 The placing of advertisements or banners of any kind upon any freight or passenger car or locomotive including permanent stakes which are a part of open top cars is prohibited except a) Advertisements or banners may be placed thereon for photographic purposes only while such equipment is at rest on private tracks or on service tracks of the railroad and when so placed must be removed prior to movements of the equipment the placement and removal to be by and at the expense of the shipper or consignee b) Advertisements may be painted upon passenger equipment used in special train movements the expense of painting and removal to be borne by the user This does not prohibit the placing of advertisements or banners on the lading or attaching them to temporary stakes used to secure the lading on open top cars 335 ICC I'm not sure of the date for this. Still looking, but this is the language. source: https://books.google.com/books?id=smJQ-N89PH8C&pg=PA334&lpg=PA334&dq=Interstate+Commerce+Commission+ICC+rule+railroad+freight+car+banners&source=bl&ots=sV4TuB4e4X&sig=ACfU3U1CpGZeVe8djkjMT_cCFW5Agn-MEw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjulc_d87PpAhXpoHIEHZTsC8gQ6AEwAHoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Interstate%20Commerce%20Commission%20ICC%20rule%20railroad%20freight%20car%20banners&f=false Thursday, May 14, 2020, 1:33:21 PM, you wrote:
-- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC -- ____________________________ David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34
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Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)
Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car) A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website: https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Tony Thompson
Dave Parker wrote: Tony, can you define "early", and maybe provide an effective date? There are photos of Swift reefer with banners as late as 1934. Was there any connection to the billboard reefer ban, or were they independent edicts from the ICC? As late as the first decade of the 20th century, posters, banners and notices of all kinds were attached to freight car sides, and I recall that those were banned (i browsed ALL of Railway Age while researching the PFE book) in that period, but I can't remember more specifically. Whether one could obtain dispensation for a really special load, I don't know. Tony Thompson
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Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.
WILLIAM PARDIE
I don't have much experience with running trains for hours on end since my friend with a great layout moved back to the mainland. At that time I did not experience any problems with Kadee wheel sets. My standard for wheel sets now is Kadee sets for ribbed back wheels and Intermountaln for all others. The Kadee sets have raised lettering on the face. Although you don't see this when the car is on a layout the same applies to most of the other details that we spend hours to create. I also use John Goldens method of using a wire brush in a Dremel in the treads. I have not experienced any problems probably because it only takes a few seconds to polish the treads. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "golden1014 via groups.io" <golden1014@...> Date: 5/14/20 12:17 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee code 88 wheels. I've used the Kadee .088-tread wheelsets. Yep, they're made of the same blackened pot metal as the rest of the line. I have attempted to clean the tread of the Kadee wheels by spinning the wheels with a Dremel equipped with a wire brush on the lowest speed. The plastic axles have a tendency to melt in the journal box. Therefore I recommend Reboxx wheelsets if you can still find them. John Golden Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Tony Thompson
I believe it was for moving trains. Obviously there was some slack, because often big loads had placards on them, giving the builder name if nothing else, but the routine attachment on car sides did largely disappear. As you mention, of course, a stationary car might be photographed with a banner for publicity purposes, then the banner removed before the load was switched out. Tony Thompson
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Dave Parker
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:20 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.Tony, can you define "early", and maybe provide an effective date? There are photos of Swift reefer with banners as late as 1934. Was there any connection to the billboard reefer ban, or were they independent edicts from the ICC? -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Tony,
Do you mean on moving trains or on all freight cars, even those parked? Do you know when that ban happened? Dave Thursday, May 14, 2020, 1:20:39 PM, you wrote:
-- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC -- ____________________________ David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Tony Thompson
A&Y Dave iwrote:
Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century. Tony Thompson
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Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.
A few years ago I contacted Kadee and they stated their metal wheels are made of zinc. I believe some people have had issues with zinc powder being deposited as a black substance on their track. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Bob, More to the point they illustrate why I stopped receiving ALL model railroad rags. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Jeff,
In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads. I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops? I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars. Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun. I always appreciate when I find an old building with massive solid timber beams. And having had a chance to visit "Big Trees" State Park in California last year, I have a little feeling of what those forests might have been like. What's hard to believe is that such old growth forests existed here in the mid-Atlantic coastal states waaay back when. Thanks for the link. Dave Monday, May 4, 2020, 12:49:22 PM, you wrote:
-- David Bott Sent from David Bott's desktop PC -- ____________________________ David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34
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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load
Fascinating. Note that this load also bridges two flat cars. Much as we discussed recently, it is only fastened at the pivot points, which in this case are near the far end of each flat car. Close examination will show boards under the load at the inner ends
of each flat car. These are "skids" as defined in the AAR loading diagrams, that allow movement of the load as the cars move through curves. There is no direct longitudinal (to the load) restraint on movement.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Helm <jeff.helm.60@...>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 11:49 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load Here’s an amazing early steam era flat car load of “British Columbia Toothpicks”! From the days when old growth timber was plentiful. Courtesy Vancouver BC archives site, circa 1893.
https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/british-columbia-toothpicks-on-car-at-hastings-sawmill -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.
golden1014
Hi Brian,
I've used the Kadee .088-tread wheelsets. Yep, they're made of the same blackened pot metal as the rest of the line. I have attempted to clean the tread of the Kadee wheels by spinning the wheels with a Dremel equipped with a wire brush on the lowest speed. The plastic axles have a tendency to melt in the journal box. Therefore I recommend Reboxx wheelsets if you can still find them. John Golden Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany
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Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676
thmsdmpsy
I would say that is a coupler change. After replacing the coupler, they'll reinstall the existing knuckle and regage the assembly. If it still passes the gage, then they will replace the knuckle. As always, Tom
On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 08:42:46 PM PDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:
The coupler is there, but the knuckle is laying on the ground below it. This rig seems to be using the knuckle pin as a fixed pivot point. With that hefty jack for power, I can see making metal move. Chuck Peck
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Re: Photo: C&O/Pere Marquette/ Gondola
Larry Wolohon
Protocraft offers O Scale & Proto 48 models of these in brass,
real nice models. They are Greenville gondola, per RPC # 8. I am finishing up an Erie version of these. Larry Wolohon
On May 10, 2020 at 1:12 PM "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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