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Re: Rutland House Car Color

Rich C
 

Bill, From what I have read on some of the Rutland sites, including RPI (NEB&W), they were painted Rutland Cherry Red, which is 50% Box Car Red and 50% Caboose Red

Rich Christie

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 08:12:42 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Mark Vinski
 

I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Hopper Car Photo

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

Could the Fox trucks just be shop trucks?

They were pretty much gone by 1946, and were not being used in new construction.

-Hudson


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Hopper Car Photo

David
 

Whose car is this, and why is at the ACF plant in 1946 (repairs, scrapping, modernizing)?
I would guess it is a in-plant car purchased secondhand from some dealer. The car doesn't have a pressed or fabricated end sill reinforcement, so it is likely from the 1903-early '04 production groups:
LV 21001-21100
P&R 81000-81499
CNJ 49500-49999
DL&W 73000-73499
JC&C 101-600 (to B&O 233000-233499)
DL&W 74000-74499
maybe Michigan Alkali 793-825

David Thompson


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

Ok. Looking at the NWSL website. $24 for 4 wheels. wowza. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Positive? Even if that's so there's a distinct difference in dress back then from now.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 06:11:36 PM CDT, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


Those aren't the attendants; they're the brokers.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 01:21:23 PM CDT, Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Bob,

Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website:

https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Rutland House Car Color

Bill Welch
 

I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

Ray Breyer
 

Those aren't the attendants; they're the brokers.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 01:21:23 PM CDT, Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Bob,

Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website:

https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Kadee code 88 wheels.

Andy Carlson
 

Richard Hendrickson told me that his preferred wheels were made by NWSL. Richard's preferrence was based on NWSL wheels which were turned from Nickel Silver, not brass, in their manufacture. All of the NS plated IMRC and Rebox brass wheels would eventually lose their thin, shinny plating when going distances on layouts, exposing the brass underlying material. Richard disliked shinny brass wheel treads with a passion. This is the reason that was not easily debated against by people who expected frequent operations.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 3:39:45 PM PDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

apologies, I thought this was being sent to the group under new topics subject line.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:43 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:

In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.

    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Attachments:


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:

In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.

    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Attachments:


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Raymond Stern
 

Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I was very fortunate that Terry Wegmann was a friend.  I bought a bunch of kits from him when he first produced them.  When he sold the tooling to Intermountain I bought some of the assembled cars.  Their first run was actually pretty good.  My big concern was they did not have the running board supports on the 19 and 21 cars with the metal running boards.  The 21 cars lacked the actuation mechanism for the fans.  On the cars with the single herald the UP shield was too small.  The brake gear was acceptable.

All the discrepancy were easy to correct.  I guess the quality had gone down in subsequent runs.  If you don't have any of the earlier runs the corrections to these cars is well within the scope of anyone on this list.  You still get a solid and ACCURATE body to work with.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dick Harley via groups.io" <dick.harley4up@...>
Date: 5/14/20 10:01 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Another thread hijacked by a different subject(s).

WAY TO GO GUYS !!ty has gone dow


Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tony, there must have been some flexibility.  As I am sure you’ve seen photos, the ERIE delivered a one-piece transatlantic cable, from where to where I am not sure, in a string of, I think, 11 fairly modern steel gondolas, with the cable laid in each gon zig-zag fashion, and then looped up and over into the next car.  The gons were all chained together – they certainly didn’t want any sort of break-in-two messing that up!

 

The train had a banner on it because of the special move, a very unusual shipment.

 

But the point of the photos I’ve seen is the problem that delayed the shipment: one of the cars developed a hot box!  Everything had to be moved into a siding ‘til that could be repaired!!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

 

Dave Parker wrote:



Tony, can you define "early", and maybe provide an effective date?  There are photos of Swift reefer with banners as late as 1934.  Was there any connection to the billboard reefer ban, or were they independent edicts from the ICC?

 

         As late as the first decade of the 20th century, posters, banners and notices of all kinds were attached to freight car sides, and I recall that those were banned (i browsed ALL of Railway Age while researching the PFE book) in that period, but I can't remember more specifically. 

         Whether one could obtain dispensation for a really special load, I don't know.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Tim O'Connor
 


Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:

In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.

    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Dick Harley
 

Another thread hijacked by a different subject(s).

WAY TO GO GUYS !!


Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And since Fallen Flags has been mentioned, it’s good to know that site is a personal site, and the expense of the independent server and its connection to the world is supported by the man who runs it, AND BY VOLUNTARY DONATIONS FROM THOSE WHO USE IT!

 

Just sayin” . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Hi Bill,

To feed my head, I like to check Google for model freight cars that interest me.  It takes some time to look through everything Google Images throws up at you, but there are often very helpful prototype photos there.  The other online freight car image databases generally have more modern equipment and car classifications, so they are a little harder to search.  The Fallen Flags site is probably the best for older (1950s) equipment.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Todd Sullivan


Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

To feed my head, I like to check Google for model freight cars that interest me.  It takes some time to look through everything Google Images throws up at you, but there are often very helpful prototype photos there.  The other online freight car image databases generally have more modern equipment and car classifications, so they are a little harder to search.  The Fallen Flags site is probably the best for older (1950s) equipment.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Todd Sullivan

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