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Re: Rutland House Car Color

Eric Hansmann
 

The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

mel perry
 

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canadian distributor, at last check, was
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mel perry

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 7:09 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:20 PM, mvlandsw wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski
That's pretty much what dry transfer lettering is / was; the ink without the decal film. Problem si, they tend to be hard tp position. Does anyone still make dry transfers since CDS left the market?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

mark_landgraf
 

How about using a 3D printer process to deliver paint thru a small bore needle ?

I'm not aware of anybody doing this. 

Mark Landgraf


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:52 PM, Charles Peck
<lnnrr152@...> wrote:
Almost anything can be done if you throw enough money and time into it.
Getting paint to behave in those tight spaces would be the second challenge.
I suspect you would have to really hate decals to go the stencil method.
Doing your own pad printing might be cheaper and easier. 
Chuck Peck

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM mvlandsw <mvlandsw@...> wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:20 PM, mvlandsw wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski
That's pretty much what dry transfer lettering is / was; the ink without the decal film. Problem si, they tend to be hard tp position. Does anyone still make dry transfers since CDS left the market?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Charles Peck
 

Almost anything can be done if you throw enough money and time into it.
Getting paint to behave in those tight spaces would be the second challenge.
I suspect you would have to really hate decals to go the stencil method.
Doing your own pad printing might be cheaper and easier. 
Chuck Peck

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM mvlandsw <mvlandsw@...> wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.
 
That's not the in-service paint... you can see the parts that haven't been repainted are totally devoid of any paint. So, somebody painted it with what they had, no guarantee of a match, and only repainted the big lettering. 

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Rich C
 

Bill, From what I have read on some of the Rutland sites, including RPI (NEB&W), they were painted Rutland Cherry Red, which is 50% Box Car Red and 50% Caboose Red

Rich Christie

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 08:12:42 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Mark Vinski
 

I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Hopper Car Photo

Hudson Leighton
 

Could the Fox trucks just be shop trucks?

They were pretty much gone by 1946, and were not being used in new construction.

-Hudson


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Hopper Car Photo

David
 

Whose car is this, and why is at the ACF plant in 1946 (repairs, scrapping, modernizing)?
I would guess it is a in-plant car purchased secondhand from some dealer. The car doesn't have a pressed or fabricated end sill reinforcement, so it is likely from the 1903-early '04 production groups:
LV 21001-21100
P&R 81000-81499
CNJ 49500-49999
DL&W 73000-73499
JC&C 101-600 (to B&O 233000-233499)
DL&W 74000-74499
maybe Michigan Alkali 793-825

David Thompson


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

Ok. Looking at the NWSL website. $24 for 4 wheels. wowza. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Positive? Even if that's so there's a distinct difference in dress back then from now.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 06:11:36 PM CDT, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:


Those aren't the attendants; they're the brokers.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 01:21:23 PM CDT, Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Bob,

Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website:

https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Rutland House Car Color

Bill Welch
 

I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

Ray Breyer
 

Those aren't the attendants; they're the brokers.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 01:21:23 PM CDT, Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Bob,

Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website:

https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Kadee code 88 wheels.

Andy Carlson
 

Richard Hendrickson told me that his preferred wheels were made by NWSL. Richard's preferrence was based on NWSL wheels which were turned from Nickel Silver, not brass, in their manufacture. All of the NS plated IMRC and Rebox brass wheels would eventually lose their thin, shinny plating when going distances on layouts, exposing the brass underlying material. Richard disliked shinny brass wheel treads with a passion. This is the reason that was not easily debated against by people who expected frequent operations.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 3:39:45 PM PDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

apologies, I thought this was being sent to the group under new topics subject line.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:43 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:

In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.

    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:

In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.

    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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