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Re: Rutland House Car Color

Bruce Smith
 

Looks like somebody forgot to use a matte coat after applying the decals... 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Coleman <traininsp@...>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland House Car Color
 
I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

Jeff Coleman

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Jeff Coleman
 

I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

Jeff Coleman

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Folks,

    Further to what I wrote for Bill Welch too late for me last evening, the color I have used for
all Rutland house cars is Accu-paint AP-59, Iron Oxide. While I cannot find my Tru-Color 
color chart right this moment I'm sure if you called Rich he could tell you what he has that 
matches. Perhaps it would be helpful to note here that while the Rutland was no longer under
NYC control from shortly after the passage of the Panama Canal Act, in 1915 if memory serves,
there was always a friendly and close relationship between the two. Such things even as the 
castings for the lead trucks of the K-1 and K-2 Pacific classes on the Rutland both bore their
NYC cast part numbers cast right into them. I believe it can also be shown that the colors of 
paint used for equipment and rolling stock were also very close to those of the NYC if not ordered
as part of an NYC order for the same color. This did not really change until the rolling smudge pots 
began to arrive in the early 1950's but at least they came from the same locomotive builder. Yes, I 
partial to Alco, and Lima, have little use for EMD and even less for Baldwin.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: National C-1trucks

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 14, 2020, at 11:05 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

According to the HO truck guide put together by Richard Hendrickson, Intermountain has a 70 ton National C-1 truck. They don’t list this as a separate model on their website but I think it is what the provide with the ACF 1958 CF covered hoppers.

Brian,
The trucks tooled by InterMountain for the ACF 70-ton covered hoppers are not National C-1. They are a relatively uncommon 70-ton AAR spring-plank design that I’ve only seen on L&N and NC&StL cars of this type built by ACF in 1943. Photos of these cars were published in RP CYC Volume 27. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


National C-1trucks

Brian Carlson
 

According to the HO truck guide put together by Richard Hendrickson, Intermountain has a 70 ton National C-1 truck. They don’t list this as a separate model on their website but I think it is what the provide with the ACF 1958 CF covered hoppers. They do list a Barber70 ton truck part 40063 but no pictures. I’m wondering if it is the correct truck mid-labeled? (I trust Richard’s doc more than IM.) Does anyone know?

Are there other sources of National C-1 trucks?

I’m in need of a few pair for projects.
Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Douglas Harding
 

Clover House still makes and sells dry transfers.  http://cloverhouse.com/Cart/

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:20 PM, mvlandsw wrote:

I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski

That's pretty much what dry transfer lettering is / was; the ink without the decal film. Problem si, they tend to be hard tp position. Does anyone still make dry transfers since CDS left the market?

Dennis Storzek


Re: IC-NRC reefer

Walter Cox
 

I was putting an order together when Stan passed away and I have been looking for a suitable core to use to create at least one of the NWX  1955 ""Renton rebuilds" but have yet to find anything closer than the Walthers gold line Refrigerator from about 12 years ago. Would anyone what Stan used to create his model?
Walt 

On 5/13/2020 4:51 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
Jim, Stan Rydarowicz made kit-conversions of this style, using an Intermountain R-40-23 as a core. As you probably well know Stan passed away several years ago and no one that I know of has his original masters.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 03:11:52 PM CDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:


Has this car been produced in HO?  Diamond emblem is green, roof and ends are reddish-brown, body is dull yellow.  I found a pic of a similar car on the Abingdon Branch hauling “seeding potatoes” in LCL, no refrigeration, just being used for insulation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Eric Hansmann
 

The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

mel perry
 

ozark miniatures bought the business
they are in the process of revampimg
the listings, if you need something
that cds carried, call them, also cds
canadian distributor, at last check, was
still in business
mel perry

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 7:09 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:20 PM, mvlandsw wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski
That's pretty much what dry transfer lettering is / was; the ink without the decal film. Problem si, they tend to be hard tp position. Does anyone still make dry transfers since CDS left the market?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

mark_landgraf
 

How about using a 3D printer process to deliver paint thru a small bore needle ?

I'm not aware of anybody doing this. 

Mark Landgraf


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:52 PM, Charles Peck
<lnnrr152@...> wrote:
Almost anything can be done if you throw enough money and time into it.
Getting paint to behave in those tight spaces would be the second challenge.
I suspect you would have to really hate decals to go the stencil method.
Doing your own pad printing might be cheaper and easier. 
Chuck Peck

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM mvlandsw <mvlandsw@...> wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:20 PM, mvlandsw wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski
That's pretty much what dry transfer lettering is / was; the ink without the decal film. Problem si, they tend to be hard tp position. Does anyone still make dry transfers since CDS left the market?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Charles Peck
 

Almost anything can be done if you throw enough money and time into it.
Getting paint to behave in those tight spaces would be the second challenge.
I suspect you would have to really hate decals to go the stencil method.
Doing your own pad printing might be cheaper and easier. 
Chuck Peck

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:20 PM mvlandsw <mvlandsw@...> wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.
 
That's not the in-service paint... you can see the parts that haven't been repainted are totally devoid of any paint. So, somebody painted it with what they had, no guarantee of a match, and only repainted the big lettering. 

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Rich C
 

Bill, From what I have read on some of the Rutland sites, including RPI (NEB&W), they were painted Rutland Cherry Red, which is 50% Box Car Red and 50% Caboose Red

Rich Christie

On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 08:12:42 PM CDT, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Mark Vinski
 

I wonder if it would be possible to photo etch an HO stencil for the dimensional data so we could avoid the use of decals.

Mark Vinski


Re: Hopper Car Photo

Hudson Leighton
 

Could the Fox trucks just be shop trucks?

They were pretty much gone by 1946, and were not being used in new construction.

-Hudson


Re: Rutland House Car Color

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bill,

Will this attached photo help? Car was grounded by the Chester depot for many years. I shot this circa 2000.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🦆

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:11 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am preparing to paint my F&C Rutland Stock Car and I am hoping someone here familiar with that RR's practice can comment on what color was used on their Boxcars and Stock Cars? I am not interested in an exact match but rather what neighborhood:

—Oxide Red?

—Red-Brown?

—more Brown than Red?

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Hopper Car Photo

David
 

Whose car is this, and why is at the ACF plant in 1946 (repairs, scrapping, modernizing)?
I would guess it is a in-plant car purchased secondhand from some dealer. The car doesn't have a pressed or fabricated end sill reinforcement, so it is likely from the 1903-early '04 production groups:
LV 21001-21100
P&R 81000-81499
CNJ 49500-49999
DL&W 73000-73499
JC&C 101-600 (to B&O 233000-233499)
DL&W 74000-74499
maybe Michigan Alkali 793-825

David Thompson


Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Brian Carlson
 

Ok. Looking at the NWSL website. $24 for 4 wheels. wowza. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

I don’t think it’s a dumb question. Speaking only for myself it’s availability. I can buy intermountain, Reboxx, Kadee at the hobby shop, retail or online. Reboxx not so much now.  I have never been in a store or on a website that had Northwest short line wheel sets available so I’ve never been exposed to them.

I just looked at their website and a couple of them look interesting I may sample a package of each of their code 88.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 14, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Raymond Stern <raymondstern1@...> wrote:


Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond

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