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Re: Wabash Home Built War Emergency Boxcar in Primer

Jeffrey White
 

Great work as usual Bill. How do you make the handle in the middle of the door?  I need 4 of them for every IC caboose I own.  I tried bending phosphate bronze wire but I can't make it look that good.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 5/15/2020 5:37 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
The Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops broke out their Stynylrez Neutral Yellow primer yesterday and here are the results. Many harvested rivets and even more Archer Rivet decals. Ladder have .010 rungs. The Wabash liked long sill tabs on their steel cars and used them on these too. The gussets were added July 27, 1948 according to company notes. I tried stressing the diagonal braces in some places and if you look closely one rivet has popped out. The Placard Boards are scratch built while the lower door stop is from Ryan Mendell's latest detail parts offering. Base kit is InterMountain War Emergency undec kit. Roof is not glued on as I have not inserted the weight. The car will be Modelflex Oxide Red with Mark Vaughn's decals.

Apologies, I cannot remember the name of Ryan's company

Bill Welch

FS Kadee #5's, NWSL 88 wheelsets, other HO STMFC parts

Rob M.
 

Sorry I have NOT priced these yet.  Just digging them out as part of a move of trains from one house to another.

Would consider selling everything... you may offer but please give me a chance to work up prices.  Been in O scale for years so I have no clear idea what they are worth.  Describing to the best of the packaging or my knowledge

Shipping would be from 17067.

PLEASE contact me OFF LIST at rule 292 at yahoo . com

Will have more HO cars, some HO brass and if you ask off-list a slew of city buildings, etc.  Chief jailer, let me know if I'm in violation of any rules.

qty price  
     
15   Kadee #5 couplers, package of two pairs
7   NWSL 7207-4 33" 88 tread wheelsets pkg of 4 axles
2   NWSL 7207-4 33" 88 tread wheelsets two loose (blunt axles)
24   NWSL needle point 88 tread wheelsets no orig box 24 axles (24 pr)
1   Pr KD ASF "Andrews" with both 88 and 110 tread wheelsets
1   Pr KD 2df8 (I think) with both 88 and 110 tread wheelsets
1   Pr KD Vulcan trucks with 88 tread wheelsets
1   Pr brass 50 ton truck with 88 tread wheelsets
1   Taylor freight truck kit (Bethlehem Car Works/ECW)
1   Kato 31-601 ASF A-3 trucks, pair
2   Plano #95 slotted pattern running board for Walthers airslide
1   Plano #192 "40 foot Boxcar Walkway early diamond pattern" ( US Gypsum?)
1   Plano 40' Apex running board (center only, no laterals)
1   Eastern Car Works 9061 Dalman two level truck kit
1   Unknown delrin light "Bettendorf" 40 or 50 ton with NWSL 88 tread wheelsets
1   PSC 4839 glad hands angle cocks and branch pipes (brass)
1   PSC ???? Unions and branch pipes (brass)
1   Cal Scale BW-289 16" brake wheels (brass)
1   Cal-Scale A-375 marker lights (brass)
1   Cal-Scale AB-313 ABD brake set (plastic)
1   Cal Scale AB-324 Express Reefer AB brake set
1   OMI $9261 grab iorns with wire (8) brass
1   Detail Assoc FC 6207 "Ladders, Long" (8)
1   DA BW 6401 Brake Wheel and housing, Equipco (2)
2   DA BW 6402 Brake Wheel and housing,  Miner (2)
1   DA FD 6301 6' x 8'3"h  5 spanel Superior door and hardware (2)
1   DA FC 6212 Cover Hopper hatch, square (8)
1   DA FC 6215 Coupler cut bar, standard (10)
1   DA FC 6290 Bracket type grab iron, delrin (16)
1   DA FC 6290 Bracket type grab iron, delrin (*15*)
1   DA SS 6413 Sill Step. (8)
1   DA FC 6205 Freight Car Running boad corner grab/eye bolts (12)
1   DA LT 1004 Pyle early dual headlight (1)
1   Westerfield 1171 Wine door lock set (4)
1   Westerfield 1171 Wine door lock, latches only (4)
1   Details West 1001 4/4 Square corner Dreadnaught end (2)
1   Details West 1000 4/4 Round (W) corner Dreadnaught end (2)
1   Details West RH-1003 Equipco hatch set (4)
1   OMI 2161 running board for Athearn 4 bay covered hopper
1   OMI 2152 running board for EB Valley 70 ton covered hopper
1   OMI running board for 40' box car with end grabs
1   Tichy straight grab irons (56) i
1   Tichy drop grab irons  (85) 
1   Grey fiber truck spacer washers (21)
1   NWSL 21145-5 1.4x5mm panhead screws (8)
1   box of incomplete Tichy 3013 (3) brake sets as well as IM and C&BT
1   Miscellaneous PS, Superior and Youngstown doors in 6/7/8'
1   3-panel Creco door, brass (2)
1   Tichy USRA SS ends 5/5/5 Murphy (2)
21   A Line #29001 Stirrup steps (style B)
15   A Line  #29002 Stirrup steps (style C)
3   A Line #29000 Stirrup steps (style A)

Rob Mondichak
Re: Wabash Home Built War Emergency Boxcar in Primer

brianleppert@att.net
 

Ryan's company is National Scale Car.  I bought a set of his door stops and happy to see how one looks.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
Re: Wabash Home Built War Emergency Boxcar in Primer

O Fenton Wells
 

Amazing Bill, You continue to raise the bar.
Fenton

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 6:37 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
The Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops broke out their Stynylrez Neutral Yellow primer yesterday and here are the results. Many harvested rivets and even more Archer Rivet decals. Ladder have .010 rungs. The Wabash liked long sill tabs on their steel cars and used them on these too. The gussets were added July 27, 1948 according to company notes. I tried stressing the diagonal braces in some places and if you look closely one rivet has popped out. The Placard Boards are scratch built while the lower door stop is from Ryan Mendell's latest detail parts offering. Base kit is InterMountain War Emergency undec kit. Roof is not glued on as I have not inserted the weight. The car will be Modelflex Oxide Red with Mark Vaughn's decals.

Apologies, I cannot remember the name of Ryan's company

Bill Welch



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Wabash Home Built War Emergency Boxcar in Primer

Bill Welch
 

The Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops broke out their Stynylrez Neutral Yellow primer yesterday and here are the results. Many harvested rivets and even more Archer Rivet decals. Ladder have .010 rungs. The Wabash liked long sill tabs on their steel cars and used them on these too. The gussets were added July 27, 1948 according to company notes. I tried stressing the diagonal braces in some places and if you look closely one rivet has popped out. The Placard Boards are scratch built while the lower door stop is from Ryan Mendell's latest detail parts offering. Base kit is InterMountain War Emergency undec kit. Roof is not glued on as I have not inserted the weight. The car will be Modelflex Oxide Red with Mark Vaughn's decals.

Apologies, I cannot remember the name of Ryan's company

Bill Welch
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 03:05 PM, John Barry wrote:
Dennis made it in Resin, one of the Storzek kits that I have.  He also reproduced it in his Acurail line, kit # 4105.
 
And, since one of our distributors wanted them in multiple road numbers, there are now three times as many individually numbered models as what the prototype had :-)

Dennis Storzek
Re: Rutland House Car Color

John Barry
 

A truly unique car.  The only 100,000 pound capacity box on the Rutland in Oct of 44.  Dennis made it in Resin, one of the Storzek kits that I have.  He also reproduced it in his Acurail line, kit # 4105.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Friday, May 15, 2020, 09:05:52 AM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Looks like somebody forgot to use a matte coat after applying the decals... 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland House Car Color
 
I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

Jeff Coleman

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Looked like unredeemed TYCO to me . . .  I mean, I checked the flanges to see . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: Bruce Smith

Looks like somebody forgot to use a matte coat after applying the decals... 😉

 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland House Car Color

 

I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

 

Jeff Coleman

 

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 

times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 

Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's

suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 

to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

 

My best, Don Valentine
HD Flat Car AWPX 1002

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

This morning I scanned up the attached photo of AWPX 1002, a 39' FD flat car which once belonged to Appalachian Power Company. This car caused me considerable head scratching (always dangerous at my age since I want to hold onto what hair I have left). 

First, what I didn't realize when I shot this photo around 1985 was that the car had already been retired and donated to the Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke. Maybe I should have guessed, since it was sitting next to the museum at their original location in the riverside Wasena Park, but was still on on active rails. Later the museum moved to the old N&W freight house in downtown Roanoke after floods did a lot of damage to the collection. I've been to the downtown museum a number of times, but never noticed this car in their collection. Today I found it in the Railroad Picture Archive, and their photo was taken at the Museum's current location. Maybe it's been stored off-site; some pieces are stored on Norfolk Southern property while awaiting restoration.

Now all this might be interesting, you say, but not really germane to our period of interest. Ah, but there is a connection! Appalachian Power had a different reporting mark in my 1958 ORER: AEPX. There are three similar 39' FD cars listed on their roster, numbers APEX 1001-1003. So why the different reporting mark? APEX is currently applied to over 1,800 modern coal gondolas and hoppers, equipment that didn't exist in 1958. I surmise that when these gondolas were purchased sometime around 1980 or so, the owners received the separate AWPX reporting mark just for the flat cars (they still have at least one modern monster FD car, APWX 1004, also shown in the Railroad Picture Archive: http://rrpicturearchives.net/rsList.aspx?id=APWX&cid=3 ).

The 1958 ORER notes on these three FD flat cars say they were "specially constructed for movement of emergency transformer units", so they probably weren't used for moving new transformers from assembly plants (but never say, "never"). Both GE and Westinghouse had their own cars for that. The notes conclude with a pointed (in bold type!), "Notify Appalachian Power Company immediately of any delay enroute."

Anyway, enjoy the photo. It really is a car from our era of interest, except for its reporting mark.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆
Re: UP stock car decals

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks. I checked their site yesterday and for some reason it didn't come up. Maybe because I checked for "Union Pacific," not "UP."

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP stock car decals

Richard Townsend asked:
"Does anyone know of a source for HO decals for UP stock cars, late 1950s, yellow lettering on red car, gothic face?"

Microscale 87-512.


Ben Hom
Re: UP stock car decals

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend asked:
"Does anyone know of a source for HO decals for UP stock cars, late 1950s, yellow lettering on red car, gothic face?"

Microscale 87-512.


Ben Hom
UP stock car decals

Richard Townsend
 

Does anyone know of a source for HO decals for UP stock cars, late 1950s, yellow lettering on red car, gothic face?
IC reefer question

Jim King
 

Further research indicates that the NRC-IC reefer on the Abingdon Branch train is from the 19000-19499 series, built in 1950.  The flat, riveted end makes this an eye-catching car.  See attached pic from Fallen Flags.

 

Has this car been produced in HO?  I’m after the basic car, not necessarily correct decals (I can get those from a friend).

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Dave Parker
 

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 07:08 AM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
I would agree they were darker in color but how may among us are modeling 1913 as 
it is beyond the period of this group.
Um, from the group's home page:  "...The purpose of this list is to discuss all aspects of North American freight cars of the steam era [ 1900-1960 ]."
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Unfortunately,Jeff, the car you present a photo of is a one-of-a-kind on the Rutland acquired through payment 
to the CNR for wreck damage. I suspect most can immediately recognize the CNR heritage of the car no matter
how it is painted. This car went off the joint Rutland - Central Vermont Rwy trestle between Alburgh, VT and 
Rouses Point, NY and into Lake Champlain with the Rutland's USRA light 2-8-2 #33 one hundred years ago last 
month, in April 1920, and remained for a year before being fished out, rehabilitated and  put into service on the 
Rutland. Eric Hansmann seems to feel that the Rutland's house cars were originally darker. I do not disagree with 
this but would note that the house cars of most railroads were darker in the early 1900's but that the colors began
to lighten in the post-WW I era.when the ex-CNR car was restored to use. The Rutland's 36 ft. boxcars such a that 
Bill Welch has built were constructed under NYC guidelines in 1913. From the builder's photo copies I made at ACF 
some twenty odd years ago I would agree they were darker in color but how may among us are modeling 1913 as 
it is beyond the period of this group. The 40 ft. Rutland boxcars began arriving in 1924, again under NYC's strong 
influence as it still owned 50% of the Rutland's stock at that time and took a greater part in Rutland management 
than it's partner in control, the New Haven. Can someone tell us exactly what color the NYC was using for house
cars in 1924? If not I'm going to strongly suggest that it was very close to what you will have with Accu-Paint 
AP-59 Iron Oxide.as many former Rutland employees were telling me n the 1970's and 1980's. This is still a hobby
so iyo can paint a noxcar any color you wish and live with it but I appreciae the efforst of those like Bill Welch who 
try to do at least a little research to find a paint as close to the color of the prototype as possible, but I'll be damned
if I'm going to get into the childish arguments I've heard about how you have to modify a particular color to have it 
look "right" under some particular type of lighting used for someone's home pike.

Cordially, Don Valentine     
Re: National C-1trucks

Dave Pfeiffer
 

Atlas has a National 70T C-1 plain bearing truck tooled for their 70T C&O open hopper.  They have been available separately.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] National C-1trucks

 

 



On May 14, 2020, at 11:05 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

 

According to the HO truck guide put together by Richard Hendrickson, Intermountain has a 70 ton National C-1 truck. They don’t list this as a separate model on their website but I think it is what the provide with the ACF 1958 CF covered hoppers.

 

Brian,

The trucks tooled by InterMountain for the ACF 70-ton covered hoppers are not National C-1. They are a relatively uncommon 70-ton AAR spring-plank design that I’ve only seen on L&N and NC&StL cars of this type built by ACF in 1943. Photos of these cars were published in RP CYC Volume 27. 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Bruce Smith
 

Looks like somebody forgot to use a matte coat after applying the decals... 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Coleman <traininsp@...>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:59 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rutland House Car Color
 
I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

Jeff Coleman

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Jeff Coleman
 

I don't have a date but here's a in service photo of Rutland 7999

Jeff Coleman

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:40 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The original color? From the as-built appearance in the Teens? I doubt that. 

Let’s be careful with general statements. That’s how hobby myths are created, like all PRR freight cars are Tuscan Red. 

It takes little extra effort to include a timeframe with a question or an answer. This list is a resource. Include accurate details. 

Not all the list members model the years when steam died. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 14, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

 That's true Dennis but it's darn close to the original color that it was repainted with. I used to pass that car several 
times each Sat. and Sun while working for the Green Mountain Rwy. and/or Steamtown when serving as either the 
Relief Passenger Trainman or the Relief Fireman for the Riverside to Chester turn three times per day. Rich Christie's
suggestion is really of the wall as the cherry red was used only on cabeese and darn few of them at that! I will check 
to see.which Accu-Paint color I have used on my Rutland boxcars tomorrow and advise further.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: Rutland House Car Color

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Folks,

    Further to what I wrote for Bill Welch too late for me last evening, the color I have used for
all Rutland house cars is Accu-paint AP-59, Iron Oxide. While I cannot find my Tru-Color 
color chart right this moment I'm sure if you called Rich he could tell you what he has that 
matches. Perhaps it would be helpful to note here that while the Rutland was no longer under
NYC control from shortly after the passage of the Panama Canal Act, in 1915 if memory serves,
there was always a friendly and close relationship between the two. Such things even as the 
castings for the lead trucks of the K-1 and K-2 Pacific classes on the Rutland both bore their
NYC cast part numbers cast right into them. I believe it can also be shown that the colors of 
paint used for equipment and rolling stock were also very close to those of the NYC if not ordered
as part of an NYC order for the same color. This did not really change until the rolling smudge pots 
began to arrive in the early 1950's but at least they came from the same locomotive builder. Yes, I 
partial to Alco, and Lima, have little use for EMD and even less for Baldwin.

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: National C-1trucks

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 14, 2020, at 11:05 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

According to the HO truck guide put together by Richard Hendrickson, Intermountain has a 70 ton National C-1 truck. They don’t list this as a separate model on their website but I think it is what the provide with the ACF 1958 CF covered hoppers.

Brian,
The trucks tooled by InterMountain for the ACF 70-ton covered hoppers are not National C-1. They are a relatively uncommon 70-ton AAR spring-plank design that I’ve only seen on L&N and NC&StL cars of this type built by ACF in 1943. Photos of these cars were published in RP CYC Volume 27. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
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