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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Richard Wilkens
 

These are probably cants, which would later be sawed into other sizes of lumber. Or possibly due to the length these would be made into ship masts.

Rich Wilkens


Re: C&O MW Photos

Bob Chapman
 

Garth --

Nice photos! If you haven't already, you should send these to the C&OHS for their archives, along with caption info for each (date, location, photographer, car number, car provenance, etc.) summarized from your comments. I'm sure they would be interested.

cohs.org

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

Jared Harper
 

If it rained?

Jared Harper


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Robert kirkham
 

Interesting – I’ve seen other loads with that kind of caption.  Kind of surprising that the surface of the timbers look like they were finished with an adze, rather than through a saw.  I cant read the reporting marks on the flat cars.

 

Rob

 

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More Toothpicks

A 1919 postcard photo from the Washington State Historical Society:

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/imu/api/file/5805

Description:

Lithograph colored promotional post card showing three large timbers on two flat cars, 1919. Labeled, "Washington Tooth Picks."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Bob Chaparro
 

More Toothpicks

A 1919 postcard photo from the Washington State Historical Society:

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/imu/api/file/5805

Description:

Lithograph colored promotional post card showing three large timbers on two flat cars, 1919. Labeled, "Washington Tooth Picks."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

A 1909 photo from the Washington State Historical Society:

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/imu/api/file/25296

Description:

"Postcard (8.5x13.5 cm.) featuring Columbia River Milling Company building beside railroad flatcars holding bags of milled grain. Several workers stand on top of bags. Published in Wilbur, WA. Printed in Germany."

I'm speculating there was a boxcar shortage or, given the date and the state of alternative transportation, this was more common way back then.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


refrigerator car ice hatches

Ray Hutchison
 

I have been looking online for some definitive information, not finding it there, thought I would ask the following:  In the first decades of the 1900s, there were two types of roof hatches for refrigerator cars.  One had an extension of the running boards with the ice hatch offset toward the car end; the platform could hold individual while they were loading the ice.  Second did not have this platform, but simply the ice hatches directly on the car roof.  (The Ambroid express reefers and Train Miniature models have the platforms, the Sunset and Accurail models of pre-WWI reefers do not).

I imagine that the explanation has something to do with (changes) in the roof construction but have not found documentation.

-- ray hutchison


Re: C&O MW Photos

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

HI Garth,
 
I’m thoroughly enjoying the photos – go ahead and hog some bandwidth!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 11:26 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Photos
 
John,
 
I think X-1218 and 705 were the only cars I found with old lettering. I'm sure there must have been some kind of logic to it, but the numbering schemes probably changed from time to time, especially through mergers. Almost everything else except Burro Cranes had Chessie System numbering by the time I came to the area. MW cars were all numbered in the 9XXXXX series. I began to detect some sort of pattern, such as 910XXX seemed to be for boxcars and so on. Then I ran across some cars that seemed to blow this idea out of the water. (Sigh!)
 
Agreed that MW equipment is often a goldmine for cars from our era, and fortunately some cars in MW service have gone to museums for restoration to something at least approximating revenue-service condition.
 
I have more C&O goodies to share, and some Southern and N&W too. And then I might go on to some really keen stuff I found on New Hampshire shortlines around 2000 (like hoppers with New Haven lettering still showing!). I don't want to hog too much band width though.
 
Your Aye,
 
 
Garth Groff 
 
 
 
 
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:17 AM mofwcaboose via groups.io <MOFWCABOOSE@...> wrote:
Some railroads  always identified the type of camp car on the side, some railroads identified them by prefixes  or suffixes in the number, and some did not bother at all,,,the C&O was in the latter group. No comprehensive roster of C&O equipment has ever surfaced, and the COHS has published some  booklets, but nothing really definitive. Thus identifying C&O camp car types is rather speculative. While it is safe to say that these cars are either tool or material cars, one cannot go further then that. The one with the bars behind the windows might be a tool car; the bars are to keep someone from breaking in and stealing the tools (as if anyone could fit through those windows!).
 
Nonrevenue equipment can be a valuable look at old rolling stock, provided information is available on their history. Again, some railroads were good in that regard, others not so much.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

 


Re: C&O MW Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

John,

I think X-1218 and 705 were the only cars I found with old lettering. I'm sure there must have been some kind of logic to it, but the numbering schemes probably changed from time to time, especially through mergers. Almost everything else except Burro Cranes had Chessie System numbering by the time I came to the area. MW cars were all numbered in the 9XXXXX series. I began to detect some sort of pattern, such as 910XXX seemed to be for boxcars and so on. Then I ran across some cars that seemed to blow this idea out of the water. (Sigh!)

Agreed that MW equipment is often a goldmine for cars from our era, and fortunately some cars in MW service have gone to museums for restoration to something at least approximating revenue-service condition.

I have more C&O goodies to share, and some Southern and N&W too. And then I might go on to some really keen stuff I found on New Hampshire shortlines around 2000 (like hoppers with New Haven lettering still showing!). I don't want to hog too much band width though.

Your Aye,


Garth Groff  




On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:17 AM mofwcaboose via groups.io <MOFWCABOOSE=AOL.COM@groups.io> wrote:
Some railroads  always identified the type of camp car on the side, some railroads identified them by prefixes  or suffixes in the number, and some did not bother at all,,,the C&O was in the latter group. No comprehensive roster of C&O equipment has ever surfaced, and the COHS has published some  booklets, but nothing really definitive. Thus identifying C&O camp car types is rather speculative. While it is safe to say that these cars are either tool or material cars, one cannot go further then that. The one with the bars behind the windows might be a tool car; the bars are to keep someone from breaking in and stealing the tools (as if anyone could fit through those windows!).

Nonrevenue equipment can be a valuable look at old rolling stock, provided information is available on their history. Again, some railroads were good in that regard, others not so much.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL



Re: C&O MW Photos

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Some railroads  always identified the type of camp car on the side, some railroads identified them by prefixes  or suffixes in the number, and some did not bother at all,,,the C&O was in the latter group. No comprehensive roster of C&O equipment has ever surfaced, and the COHS has published some  booklets, but nothing really definitive. Thus identifying C&O camp car types is rather speculative. While it is safe to say that these cars are either tool or material cars, one cannot go further then that. The one with the bars behind the windows might be a tool car; the bars are to keep someone from breaking in and stealing the tools (as if anyone could fit through those windows!).

Nonrevenue equipment can be a valuable look at old rolling stock, provided information is available on their history. Again, some railroads were good in that regard, others not so much.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL



Re: Speedwitch Media Status?

greg snook
 

I just received an order last week for decals.  It might depend on what he has, and where he is, but I would place an order with confidence and patience.
Cheers
Greg Snook


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Bx-3/Bx-6 Boxcar

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I'll have to look at that sign again! 😊

I asked what it was because it looked to me like a long train with the roof walks virtually continuous, but then I thought "Nah, that couldn't be, but what IS it?" once you have an incorrect reading of an image, it can be very difficult to get rid of it!

Thanks to those who got me off dead center on the interpretation of the image.

Schuyler

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The storage structure along the right side of the platform has a solid back and a roof. I have room for this platform on my layout and often wondered what kind of parts were stored on the shelves there and in the open. At the risk of moderator jail, I’d also like to point it the sign over the entrance to the worker subway: “Do not spit on floor, stairs, walls or THiS SIGN” (emphasis added)😜
Fun stuff, Otto


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Bx-3/Bx-6 Boxcar

ottokroutil
 

The storage structure along the right side of the platform has a solid back and a roof. I have room for this platform on my layout and often wondered what kind of parts were stored on the shelves there and in the open. At the risk of moderator jail, I’d also like to point it the sign over the entrance to the worker subway: “Do not spit on floor, stairs, walls or THiS SIGN” (emphasis added)😜
Fun stuff, Otto


Re: Wabash 17000 series automobile boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Gary 

Thank you, it’s to kit bash a Funaro and Camerlengo Wabash 46000 series automobile car into a 17000 series car .

Regards 
Paul Doggett 


On 18 May 2020, at 13:34, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:


Paul,

You are welcome.

I should have mentioned that photo came by way of Ed Hawkins, courtesy of ACF.

gary



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 7:27:26 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Gary 

Absolutely brilliant thank you.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 18 May 2020, at 13:21, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:


Paul,

Here is one of the 17021.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 4:36:34 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
Has anyone got a photo of the B end of one of these cars.

Thank you
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


<Wabash 17021 B End.jpg>


Re: Wabash 17000 series automobile boxcar

Gary Roe
 

Paul,

You are welcome.

I should have mentioned that photo came by way of Ed Hawkins, courtesy of ACF.

gary



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 7:27:26 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Gary 

Absolutely brilliant thank you.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 18 May 2020, at 13:21, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:


Paul,

Here is one of the 17021.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 4:36:34 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
Has anyone got a photo of the B end of one of these cars.

Thank you
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


<Wabash 17021 B End.jpg>


Re: Wabash 17000 series automobile boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Gary 

Absolutely brilliant thank you.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 18 May 2020, at 13:21, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:


Paul,

Here is one of the 17021.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 4:36:34 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
Has anyone got a photo of the B end of one of these cars.

Thank you
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


<Wabash 17021 B End.jpg>


Re: Wabash 17000 series automobile boxcar

Gary Roe
 

Paul,

Here is one of the 17021.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, May 18, 2020, 4:36:34 AM CDT, Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Hi
Has anyone got a photo of the B end of one of these cars.

Thank you
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



C&O MW Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

A few weeks ago I offered to share some C&O maintenance-of-way boxcars from my negatives that I was scanning. A couple of you asked me to go ahead with the project. All the photos are scanned now, and as I run them through Photoshop to take out the dust and scratches, they will be presented here for your enlightenment and discussion.

During the 1980s when I moved to Charlottesville after my Coast Guard service, I shot a lot of C&O and Southern stuff. Coming from the Left Coast, I was like a kid in a candy store with all sorts of new trains to photograph. At that time the C&O was in the process of scrapping out most of their older maintenance equipment. There were clusters of cars awaiting scrapping scattered around the Charlottesville yard, and on sidings at Gordonsville, Scottsville and Glastone. What is neat about these cars is that many dated to the 1920s and 1930s. Sadly, few were preserved, but I do have the photos of some.

So here's my take on this crop, with some help from Carl Shaver's FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAK & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937:

X-1218 appears to be from series 8000-9499, a 40' single door boxcar with and 8' 7 1/2" IH built by  Standard Steel in 1930. Note the high end ladder. Photo at Gordansville, VA circa 1986.

910101 is from the same series, and was probably a tool or material car. The two windows in the sides was typical of C&O practice. Photo at Scottsville, VA circa 1986.

705 is a rare survivor from Hocking Valley series 34000-35999, built by Illinois Car and Manufacturing Co. 1924-25. They were 40' long, with an 8' 8" IH. These came to the C&O in the 1930 merger and became 82000-83999. Most of this class received steel sides and steel doors in 1941-42, with many rebuilt as single-door cars, and all were renumbered into various other blocks. This car shows that some were not rebuilt with steel sides, though it did get the steel doors. Note the apparently steel hazmat diamond on the end tack board. Photo from Gordonsville, VA circa 1986.

910069 is fairly new to MW service. It comes from series 19000-19499, built in 1957 by AC&F. These were among the last 40' boxcars built for the C&O. The reweigh date of 11-1981 is probably the conversion date. Two cars of this type are in the collection of the COHS in Clifton Forge. Photo probably from Charlottesville circa 1986.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

 


Re: Ore car help

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Since this thread began I have been wondering how the B&O addressed this same problem.....but on
steam locomotive tenders rather than ore cars. In my negative collection are two negatives of a B&O
2-8-8-0 with a long Vanderbilt tender also haveing a third truck positined between the normal pair near
each end. Does nayone know what sort of mechanism the middle truck on this tender had?

My best,Don Valentine


Wabash 17000 series automobile boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Hi
Has anyone got a photo of the B end of one of these cars.

Thank you
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

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