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Re: L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

Joseph
 

Mark, 
This guy is not like us- he doesn’t know that stuff....he has the 65 ft kit and wants to get close
Thx
Joe Binish

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:52 PM mark_landgraf via groups.io <mark_landgraf=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Joe

Can you identify cars manufacturer, when it was built, or other rrs that had the same car. Road numbers would be helpful too.  Fishbelly frame and or sides? What is the side panel count?

I have a lot photos but the first sort is by manufacturer. 

Mark Landgraf


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Joseph
<Mstl852@...> wrote:
Hi all, 
Has anyone got a photo of the above in the 50s?   I have perused a bit on the net an haven’t gotten the search criteria correct yet


Thx,
Joe Binish
New Hope MN


Re: L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

Douglas Harding
 

Joe here is one from 1966. Not the 50s, but it appears the car dates from that era or earlier.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 4:37 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

 

Hi all, 

Has anyone got a photo of the above in the 50s?   I have perused a bit on the net an haven’t gotten the search criteria correct yet

 

 

Thx,

Joe Binish

New Hope MN


Re: L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

Bill Welch
 

Bob's Photo has a Col. Chet McCoid photo of L&N #25158 in service. I had a modeling article in the L&N's Historical Society magazine 2-3 years ago that is probably still available from them. Speedwitch has Resin ends and decals for modeling w/Athearn model.

Bill Welch


Re: L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

mark_landgraf
 

Joe

Can you identify cars manufacturer, when it was built, or other rrs that had the same car. Road numbers would be helpful too.  Fishbelly frame and or sides? What is the side panel count?

I have a lot photos but the first sort is by manufacturer. 

Mark Landgraf


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:37 PM, Joseph
<Mstl852@...> wrote:
Hi all, 
Has anyone got a photo of the above in the 50s?   I have perused a bit on the net an haven’t gotten the search criteria correct yet


Thx,
Joe Binish
New Hope MN


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Clark Propst
 

Can you elaborate on the weathering of the SP&S car? Really nice.
CW Propst


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

James Brewer
 

Bob,

Great work...love the weathering.

Jim Brewer


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Bob Chaparro
 

Santa Fe only rebuilt part of the fleet to revise the hatch cover openings and that was done, as I recall, only when the cars were generally rebuilt or upgraded. I do not believe there was any program dedicated to just reconfiguring the hatch covers.
I have photos of cars with their original hatch cover configurations and the large circular herald paint scheme that was initiated in 1959. And these include photos of such cars retired and recycled as sheds in the 1970s, twenty years after the advent of mechanical icing machines.
Attached are photos of cars with their original hatch cover configurations being iced at San Bernardino, Bakersfield and Fresno in the mid-1950s. 
Bob Chaparro
Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

O Fenton Wells
 

Excellent Bob, they look good a good twofer
Fenton

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 5:49 PM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Nice cars, Bob!

 

Love the weathering!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 4:03 PM
To: STMFC <main@realSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

 

A two-fer this time. C&BT upgrade projects #4 and #5, WP and SP&S boxcars -- 1944 AAR C&BT carbodies upgraded with contemporary detail parts. Both will be a long way from home on my midwestern-theme layout.

 

WP car details include a Yarmouth Morton runningboard, Kadee ladders/grabs/Ajax handbrake, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Champ. With the Champ set's incorrect build date (51 vs. 47), I elected to keep the car fresh and unweathered (although maybe I should have weathered out that bad build date!). Plus -- I really like that classy silver lettering and hated to dirty it up. 

 

The SP&S car has a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee grabs and Ajax brakewheel, and Kato A-3's. Decals are Microscale. Wish I could have done the car in those big SP&S letters, but by the time they came in, steam was pretty much gone on my roads. Weathering is Greg Martin's Post-It technique with some Prismacolor pencil highlighting. 

 

One more to go....

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman



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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Brian Termunde
 


Rob;
I 'think' it's a Northern Pacific car based on the car's lettering.

And Bob, Thank you for yet another gem!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
***************

 Robert Kirkham
10:26am   

Interesting – I’ve seen other loads with that kind of caption.  Kind of surprising that the surface of the timbers look like they were finished with an adze, rather than through a saw.  I cant read the reporting marks on the flat cars.

 

Rob


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice cars, Bob!

 

Love the weathering!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 4:03 PM
To: STMFC <main@realSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

 

A two-fer this time. C&BT upgrade projects #4 and #5, WP and SP&S boxcars -- 1944 AAR C&BT carbodies upgraded with contemporary detail parts. Both will be a long way from home on my midwestern-theme layout.

 

WP car details include a Yarmouth Morton runningboard, Kadee ladders/grabs/Ajax handbrake, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Champ. With the Champ set's incorrect build date (51 vs. 47), I elected to keep the car fresh and unweathered (although maybe I should have weathered out that bad build date!). Plus -- I really like that classy silver lettering and hated to dirty it up. 

 

The SP&S car has a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee grabs and Ajax brakewheel, and Kato A-3's. Decals are Microscale. Wish I could have done the car in those big SP&S letters, but by the time they came in, steam was pretty much gone on my roads. Weathering is Greg Martin's Post-It technique with some Prismacolor pencil highlighting. 

 

One more to go....

 

Regards,

Bob Chapman


L&N 65 foot Gondola photo

Joseph
 

Hi all, 
Has anyone got a photo of the above in the 50s?   I have perused a bit on the net an haven’t gotten the search criteria correct yet


Thx,
Joe Binish
New Hope MN


RCW update

Eric Hansmann
 

Just posted a blog update about order fulfillment. Everything has slowed down a little bit, so please bear with us.
http://blog.resincarworks.com/order-fulfillment/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

mel perry
 

didn"t they have boxcars back.then,
would have simply things?
mel perry

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 11:43 AM David Payne via groups.io <davidcofga=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Cover the load with tarps before it departed ... and hope for the best.

David Payne


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Ray,

Whether the cars had hatch platforms depended on the builder and the owner. In the later years of ice refrigerators, many owners dispensed with the platforms, but some didn't. Then there was the SFRD. Most Santa Fe reefers were built with their hatches opening the "wrong" direction, that is, hinges toward the car end instead of toward the doors. When mechanical icing became became common after WWII, they had to rebuild their fleet with the hatches turned in the more common direction. Some of their cars still had hatch platforms, but these were all removed in the rebuilding program.

The moral of our story: check photographs.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 12:47 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
I have been looking online for some definitive information, not finding it there, thought I would ask the following:  In the first decades of the 1900s, there were two types of roof hatches for refrigerator cars.  One had an extension of the running boards with the ice hatch offset toward the car end; the platform could hold individual while they were loading the ice.  Second did not have this platform, but simply the ice hatches directly on the car roof.  (The Ambroid express reefers and Train Miniature models have the platforms, the Sunset and Accurail models of pre-WWI reefers do not).

I imagine that the explanation has something to do with (changes) in the roof construction but have not found documentation.

-- ray hutchison


Re: C&O MW Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob,

I've considered that. My C&O/CSX negatives number over 500, plus around 200 for the Buckingham Branch Railroad (which I'm sure they would want), and more for lines associated with the C&O: Nelson & Albemarle, Shenandoah Valley, Rock Ten Paper, Shepherd Grain . . . Ouch! Someday they're going to get a CD, which should have the ID info attached to each image. First I owe their President an article on the Nelson & Albemarle which I wrote before I had health issues, but have never gotten back to finishing the photos.

My push right now is to get all my negatives scanned up and Photoshopped. I've nearly finished most of my binders including all the Virginia stuff since I moved to Charlottesville. The two big ones binders from California going back to the 1960s are maybe half done, but that still leaves maybe 2,000 images to work up.

Before I die, I hope to send all my stuff to various museums, since my sweetheart says when I go, it all goes too . . . right into the trash.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:54 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
Garth --

Nice photos! If you haven't already, you should send these to the C&OHS for their archives, along with caption info for each (date, location, photographer, car number, car provenance, etc.) summarized from your comments. I'm sure they would be interested.


Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

earlyrail
 

a.  Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars
From: Bob Chaparro
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:19:26 PDT

Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

A 1909 photo from the Washington State Historical Society:


The pacific northwest was late getting to bulk wheat harvest.  This was bagged coming off
the early combines.  So they did not have the midwestern elevators, they had "flat" houses
that stored the bagged grain.
So while the flat cars were not normal, the bagged grain was.

Howard Garner


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Dave Parker
 

I have to disagree with Dennis, at least with respect to MDT, which is the only private reefer fleet with which I am familiar.

Between 1911 and 1917, MDT built 3700+ 40-ft reefers.  Most, possibly all, had outside-metal roofs when built, or else later rebuilt any with "wood" roofs, probably in the 1920s.  None had the the wood icing platforms that Dennis describes.

In 1923-24, MDT built 4500 MOL similar cars, none of which had Icing platforms.

The last group of these classic wood reefers was built in 1925-28, some 3250 cars, and only these have icing platforms in any of the photos in my collection.

Apparently, MDT wasn't too worried about the ability of those Murphy roofs to withstand foot traffic.  I'm sure others can speak to PFE, FGEX, SFRD, etc.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Bob Chapman
 

A two-fer this time. C&BT upgrade projects #4 and #5, WP and SP&S boxcars -- 1944 AAR C&BT carbodies upgraded with contemporary detail parts. Both will be a long way from home on my midwestern-theme layout.

WP car details include a Yarmouth Morton runningboard, Kadee ladders/grabs/Ajax handbrake, and Kato ASF A-3 trucks. Decals are Champ. With the Champ set's incorrect build date (51 vs. 47), I elected to keep the car fresh and unweathered (although maybe I should have weathered out that bad build date!). Plus -- I really like that classy silver lettering and hated to dirty it up. 

The SP&S car has a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, Kadee grabs and Ajax brakewheel, and Kato A-3's. Decals are Microscale. Wish I could have done the car in those big SP&S letters, but by the time they came in, steam was pretty much gone on my roads. Weathering is Greg Martin's Post-It technique with some Prismacolor pencil highlighting. 

One more to go....

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 09:46 AM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
I imagine that the explanation has something to do with (changes) in the roof construction but have not found documentation.
The difference wasn't driven by the hatch covers, although they changed with time. It most certainly was driven by they type of roofing. The early metal roofs were thin sheet metal and were felt to not be suitable for foot traffic. This led some owners, such as Swift and Union Refrigerator Transit to adopt what were called "inside metal roofs" which had the sheet metal panels under a wood outer covering. Modelers typically call these wood roofs. The wood covering protected the sheet metal panels, and was thought to be no more slippery than wood running boards, so cars with these roofs had the hatch covers directly on the roof. Cars from owners who chose outside metal roofs, such as Burlington Refrigerator Express, also had the hatch covers directly on the roof surface, but they were surrounded by a wood platform, basically an extension of the running boards, for the icing platform workers to walk on. The later steel roofs were heavier gauge metal and able to withstand foot traffic, and the platforms were replaced by just adding granuals to the paint for a non-slip surface. Examples would be the Fruit Growers fleet after they were re-roofed with Hutchins roofs, and PFE.

The hatch covers had their own evolution, separate from but parallel to the roof construction. Originally shallow wood boxes, they were often covered with sheet metal. By the WWII era they were steel pressings with more overhang and rounded corners.

Dennis Storzek


Photo: Grain Sacks On Flat Cars

David Payne
 


Cover the load with tarps before it departed ... and hope for the best.

David Payne

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