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Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

Bill McClure
 

Schuyler,

I worked on a few books for Morning Sun and articles for the N&W Hist. Society, but nothing for magazines.

And thank you.

Bill


Re: Tankcar Dome Platform Redux

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you, Dennis.  You're a pretty good sleuth!

Todd Sullivan


Pennzoil tank cars

lrkdbn
 

Dear group
A while back I was able to buy the Herald King decal set for the Pennzoil 3 compartment tank car described in
a Model Railroader article of some years ago. This article had no prototype pictures.My question is, does anyone know of pictures of prototype Pennzoil cars, particularly in the pre WWII era?.
 Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Tankcar Dome Platform Redux

Dennis Storzek
 

We hadsome discussion a while bach about which side the dome platform belongs on when the car has it on only one side. Looking for something else in the Safety Appliance section of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, I find this language:

"Dome Platform and Dome Handholds.—Minimum diameter, five-eighths (5/8) of an inch, wrought iron or steel.
Minimum clear length, fourteen (14) inches, preferably sixteen (16) inches.
Minimum clearance, two (2) inches, preferably two and one-half (2 1/2) inches.
Location.—On brake mast side of car leading to dome. When car is equipped with more than one dome, the step board shall be lengthened so that all dome covers will be accessible from same; or, ladder, dome platform and handholds provided leading to each dome."

Dennis Storzek


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:07 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
I have to disagree with Dennis, at least with respect to MDT, which is the only private reefer fleet with which I am familiar.

Between 1911 and 1917, MDT built 3700+ 40-ft reefers.  Most, possibly all, had outside-metal roofs when built, or else later rebuilt any with "wood" roofs, probably in the 1920s.  None had the the wood icing platforms that Dennis describes.
Always a danger when trying to condense the history and progression of freightcar features to two paragraphs, that someone will cite an example that runs counter to the general rule. Obviously, since the Safety Appliance Act didn't require hatch platforms, each car owner was free to use them, or not. But the fact remains that there was discussion in the trade press in the early years of the twentieth century that outside metal roofs were not a suitable walking surface (maybe the discussion was mostly in Chicago-Cleveland Co. advertising materials, since they also made inside metal roofs). And the fact remains that the MCB/ARA drawings that illustrate the new safety appliance requirements call for latitudinal extensions of the running boards on boxcars with outside metal roofs, but not on cars where the outer surface of the roof is wood. Either way, MANY owners of reefers used hatch platforms on cars with outside metal roofs, and MOST (all?) ended the practice on new or rebuilt cars having more substantial steel roofs.

Dennis Storzek


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

James Brewer
 

Nice work Bill!

Jim Brewer


Re: Where's this one come from?

Hudson Leighton
 

The Rock Island looks like the Minneapolis flour mills to me, maybe Pillsbury A Mill?

-Hudson


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Somehow “Bill McClure” is a very familiar name.  Did you write articles for some modeling magazines in the past?

 

Wonderful looking models, Bill.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:59 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Photos Part 2

 

Long time lurker, but I have never posted. I am a long-time builder of, well, anything, including resin kits from the first offerings of Al W. I have also been a scratch builder since the 1960s. A few years ago I got an itch to try resin casting a series of C&O cars based on its 82,000-82,999 40-ton Auto Box, Class XAB, built 1924-25 by Illinois Car. The Hocking Valley had an identical series, 83,000-83,999, built 1924 by Pullman.

 

So here are three versions of essentially the same car body, as-built, C&O gray MOW dress, and the later green dress.

 

Bill


Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Bob Chapman
 

Clark Propst writes:
Can you elaborate on the weathering of the SP&S car? Really nice.

Hi, Clark --

The technique was developed by the late Greg Martin (a great guy who many of us will miss). He used a Post-It to mask at each seam (tape will work just as well), and airbrushed a very dilute spray of Testor's Rubber along the edge of the mask. Sometimes he got fancy and reversed the Post-Its to the other side of the seam and similarly airbrushed very dilute Caboose Red -- sounds terrible, but the effect was very effective. For the SP&S, I only did the black. Greg featured the technique with color photos in numerous articles in Mainline Modeler, if you happen to have a back issue collection; at one point, I seem to recall him doing an article in MR or RMC featuring it.

The highlighting visible in the photo is mostly around the seams in the Superior doors, done with a Prismacolor 70% Warm Grey pencil. I also did the roof seams. An art store sharpener will give you the fine point that you need.  

Regards,
Bob Chapman

 


Re: Where's this one come from?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

But MORE points if he submits the photo to prove how accurate the model is.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where's this one come from?

 

Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.

Fenton

 

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:21 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

The RI 133000 – 133999 series was split between Betterdorf and ACF.  The ACF cars (500-999) had a roof fascia on the car end, as does the Fort Dodge car.

 

Here’s a photo in all its earlier glory.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where's this one come from?

 

This is a former Rock Island B-2 "Fowler Clone" from their 133000-133999 series.  No model yet but it might be kit-bashed from the Westerfield offerings.  A specific model is planned by one of our smaller resin model suppliers.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 11:50:05 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

 

 

Would like to know the origins of this car and if there was/is a model?
Thanks,
CW Propst


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: [Espee] Photos: T&NO 38781 And SP 26159 (B-50-11 Boxcars)

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photos: T&NO 38781 And SP 26159 (B-50-11 Boxcars)

      Nice photos. The B-50-11 class, 800 cars, was entirely built by Ralston in the fall of 1916. The photo shown of SP 26159 exists in a much better version in the National Archives of Canada, and I used that version in my book on SP box cars.

Tony Thompson




Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Note that this list may not be very accurate due to the way private owner cars are reported and listed in the ORER. 

For example, the John H. Grace Company is listed in Jerry’s compilation as only “DRDX” reporting marks and the PTLX and GRYX reporting marks also used by this company are not shown.   For some reason I can’t find John H. Grace in my 1950 Westerfield ORER disc but it does appear in the 1955 version and there all three reporting marks are listed.   The car count is not shown and if it were I would be very cautious about relying on it.  Results for other companies might be similar.

Charlie Vlk

PS- GRYX apparently had cars associated with the Mather Company in 1935

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:00 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

 

Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

A list compiled by Jerry Britton:

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950

This list represents tank cars rostered in North America, according to the Official Railway Equipment Register. This list does not include milk tanks, vinegar tanks, pickle tanks or tanks specifically denoted for company service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Where's this one come from?

O Fenton Wells
 

Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.
Fenton

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:21 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

The RI 133000 – 133999 series was split between Betterdorf and ACF.  The ACF cars (500-999) had a roof fascia on the car end, as does the Fort Dodge car.

 

Here’s a photo in all its earlier glory.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where's this one come from?

 

This is a former Rock Island B-2 "Fowler Clone" from their 133000-133999 series.  No model yet but it might be kit-bashed from the Westerfield offerings.  A specific model is planned by one of our smaller resin model suppliers.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 11:50:05 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

 

 

Would like to know the origins of this car and if there was/is a model?
Thanks,
CW Propst



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

Tony Thompson
 

Nice-looking models, Bill! Glad to see some MW modeling.

Tony Thompson




Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

A nice list, but I didn't see the Western Pacific listed here. In July 1949 (the closest ORER sheets I have to the 1950 list), they operated 209 tank cars. They included 62 10K AC&F high-walkway tanks (what we call "Type 7" IIRC), as well as 89 similar cars with low walkways, and 50 12K tanks (clones of SP cars). Now most of these were in company fuel service, possibly because they were loaded off-line, but the WP tank cars were listed as revenue cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:00 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

A list compiled by Jerry Britton:

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950

This list represents tank cars rostered in North America, according to the Official Railway Equipment Register. This list does not include milk tanks, vinegar tanks, pickle tanks or tanks specifically denoted for company service.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Where's this one come from?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The RI 133000 – 133999 series was split between Betterdorf and ACF.  The ACF cars (500-999) had a roof fascia on the car end, as does the Fort Dodge car.

 

Here’s a photo in all its earlier glory.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:08 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where's this one come from?

 

This is a former Rock Island B-2 "Fowler Clone" from their 133000-133999 series.  No model yet but it might be kit-bashed from the Westerfield offerings.  A specific model is planned by one of our smaller resin model suppliers.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 11:50:05 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

 

 

Would like to know the origins of this car and if there was/is a model?
Thanks,
CW Propst


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Ken Adams
 

Very nice.

What were the dates for this version of the SP&S herald scheme. Is this post steam/1956?
--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

O Fenton Wells
 

Bill, Well done, you will have great track as evidenced by the work gang cars.
Fenton

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:59 AM Bill McClure <virginianbill@...> wrote:
Long time lurker, but I have never posted. I am a long-time builder of, well, anything, including resin kits from the first offerings of Al W. I have also been a scratch builder since the 1960s. A few years ago I got an itch to try resin casting a series of C&O cars based on its 82,000-82,999 40-ton Auto Box, Class XAB, built 1924-25 by Illinois Car. The Hocking Valley had an identical series, 83,000-83,999, built 1924 by Pullman.

So here are three versions of essentially the same car body, as-built, C&O gray MOW dress, and the later green dress.

Bill



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


need help finding a photo

Brent Greer
 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Where's this one come from?

Schleigh Mike
 

This is a former Rock Island B-2 "Fowler Clone" from their 133000-133999 series.  No model yet but it might be kit-bashed from the Westerfield offerings.  A specific model is planned by one of our smaller resin model suppliers.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 11:50:05 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


Would like to know the origins of this car and if there was/is a model?
Thanks,
CW Propst

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