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Re: need help finding a photo

 

It was to reach the trailer hitch disconnect. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 19, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:



Interesting surgical modifications to the car sides there.  Was that to clear the tires on the trailer?

 

I wonder how much that derated the carrying capacity of the gon.  Do you have a date on the photo?  I don’t know my Cadillacs well enough to date the shot.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

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-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: need help finding a photo

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Interesting surgical modifications to the car sides there.  Was that to clear the tires on the trailer?

 

I wonder how much that derated the carrying capacity of the gon.  Do you have a date on the photo?  I don’t know my Cadillacs well enough to date the shot.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: need help finding a photo

 

Rock Island did the same thing, only with Cadillacs and re-purposed WE gons.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:18 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

Nelson Moyer
 

That’s really a practical shipping method, because it only requires one loading and one unloading of the individual cars. Much less opportunity of damage. Too bad it’s beyond my era, because that is one interesting load.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Greer
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
To: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

Thanks Andy !! 

 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

 

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

 

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

 

Brent 

 

 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:

 

 

At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Ian Cranstone
 

Tony is quite correct in noting that "overlooks" was probably a poor choice of words on my part...

Railroads reported what they were required to report to the two tariffs, and in some cases chose to report things that they were not required to – and could differ.

For example, Canadian National and Canadian Pacific chose not to report their tank cars to either tariff after mid-1932 (one historian assumed that they had sold their cars at that time to the newly-formed Canadian General Transit, but I have never found any evidence to support that contention – I believe that there was an agreement between the railways and CGTX that the latter would be the source of cars for non-railway shippers).

I remember seeing a note in this thread that WP did not list their tank cars in the 1950 ORER, however, did list 215 cars in the 1955 TCC, and I expect that they were not the only ones to choose to list in one tariff and not the other.  I assume there was some reason for this choice, but would only be guessing.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-05-19 22:39, Tony Thompson wrote:

Ian Cranstone wrote:

The list gives one an idea as to just how large the lease fleets (UTLX, GATX, SHPX, NATX, and for Canada, CGTX and TCLX). The ORER has always been a little shaky in tank car information, and frequently doesn't cover railroad-owned cars — mostly because railroad-owned cars were employed in the service of the railroad, and not generally available for other uses.  
 
    Remember, the ORER didn't seek out anything. Each car owner sent in a report, as often as they thought necessary (some would remain unchanged, with original date, for multiple issues). Whatever the owner sent in, is what was in the ORER. Ordinarily, these were cars in revenue service (the ORER had the status of a tariff document). You cannot expect company service cars to be in there -- unless, as some roads did, a particular railroad CHOSE to include them.

Even the Tank Car Capacities tariff (TCC) overlooks a number of railroad-owned cars — for example, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific owned a number of tank cars for company use, and none of them were listed in either the ORER or TCC.
       Again, the TCC is a tariff to facilitate charges for car movement. It has nothing to do with cars not in revenue service, and the TCC can hardly be said to "overlook" anything.
        I am sure Ian knows all this, and speaks of these two documents as we modelers see them and their "deficiencies." But let's make sure we remember what those documents WERE.

Tony Thompson
 


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Tony Thompson
 

Ian Cranstone wrote:

The list gives one an idea as to just how large the lease fleets (UTLX, GATX, SHPX, NATX, and for Canada, CGTX and TCLX). The ORER has always been a little shaky in tank car information, and frequently doesn’t cover railroad-owned cars — mostly because railroad-owned cars were employed in the service of the railroad, and not generally available for other uses.  

    Remember, the ORER didn't seek out anything. Each car owner sent in a report, as often as they thought necessary (some would remain unchanged, with original date, for multiple issues). Whatever the owner sent in, is what was in the ORER. Ordinarily, these were cars in revenue service (the ORER had the status of a tariff document). You cannot expect company service cars to be in there -- unless, as some roads did, a particular railroad CHOSE to include them.

Even the Tank Car Capacities tariff (TCC) overlooks a number of railroad-owned cars — for example, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific owned a number of tank cars for company use, and none of them were listed in either the ORER or TCC.

       Again, the TCC is a tariff to facilitate charges for car movement. It has nothing to do with cars not in revenue service, and the TCC can hardly be said to "overlook" anything.
        I am sure Ian knows all this, and speaks of these two documents as we modelers see them and their "deficiencies." But let's make sure we remember what those documents WERE.

Tony Thompson




EARLY PLASTIC KITS

Andy Carlson
 



On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:09:42 PM PDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


...........  This is a McKean PS-1 kit.  My friend Andy Carlson deemed this kit as the worst. .........

I don't remember telling Bill this; I remember telling him their Pullman door was the worst.

I have high regards for the McKean 40' double door box car. It was among the first kits with separate details and I feel the 6' post-war Youngstown doors remain among the better ones in HO today. It is a bit of work, but a straight side sill replacement and replacing the diagonal panel roof with an overhanging eaves roof and one has a nice model of a Great Northern 3500-3999 series of cars. The middle door post (between the L & R door) is an exact match for the GN. Today, a better pair of ends are the Branchline Blueprint Series of banana taper ends.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Peter Weiglin
 

I woul like to point out that the C&O Historical Society (www.cohs.org) is offering a DVD containing all of the Mainline Modeler back issues.
It is priced at $89.95  Much good stuff in there.

Note: don;t confuse it with ahother DVD, only of the articles related to C&O.


Re: EARLY PLASTIC KITS

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie wrote:
"That was the first and last time that I took a model to an event."

Well, that's a true shame.


Ben Hom


EARLY PLASTIC KITS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



The recent discussion on the C&BT kits has prompted me to pull l this car out of the showcase.  I had not looked at it for years.  This is a McKean PS-1 kit.  My friend Andy Carlson deemed this kit as the worst.  At that time Ed Hawkins did several articles in Rail Model Journal on completing this kit.  I immediately went out and bought the kit.  (Where were you then Andy?)  At that time the RPM meets were held in conjunction with the NMRA meets.  I carefully packed my prize in an Overland Models  box to protect it on the journey. When I walked into the RPM room Richard Hendrickson met me at the door. HIs eyes went straight to the box and he said “I hope that’s not what I think it is”.  As it turned out I had to borrow some tools and adhesive before placing the mopdel on display.  That was the first and last time that I took a model to an event.

One of the real pleasuies of the hobby are the great people involved in it. Each of my models has a story behind it.  Thanks for bringing up the C&BT kits and resurrecting some great memories.

Bill Pardie


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Ian Cranstone
 

The list gives one an idea as to just how large the lease fleets (UTLX, GATX, SHPX, NATX, and for Canada, CGTX and TCLX). The ORER has always been a little shaky in tank car information, and frequently doesn’t cover railroad-owned cars — mostly because railroad-owned cars were employed in the service of the railroad, and not generally available for other uses.  Even the Tank Car Capacities tariff (TCC) overlooks a number of railroad-owned cars — for example, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific owned a number of tank cars for company use, and none of them were listed in either the ORER or TCC.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On May 19, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

A list compiled by Jerry Britton:

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950

This list represents tank cars rostered in North America, according to the Official Railway Equipment Register. This list does not include milk tanks, vinegar tanks, pickle tanks or tanks specifically denoted for company service.


Re: need help finding a photo

Brent Greer
 

Thanks Andy !! 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

Brent 



Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo
 

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:


At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Where's this one come from?

O Fenton Wells
 

That was model railroad humor Howard, I used to be a judge at times as well
Fenton

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:10 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.
Fenton

No.  That is where you can gain points,just provide the photo and point it out.
Or loose points when you do not follow the photo.
Howard (sometime judge) Garner



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Re: Where's this one come from?

earlyrail
 

Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.
Fenton

No.  That is where you can gain points,just provide the photo and point it out.
Or loose points when you do not follow the photo.
Howard (sometime judge) Garner


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Tony Thompson
 

I don't mean to contradict the summary by Dennis Storzek, but thought readers might like a summary of PFE practice. The earliest PFE cars, from 1906 to 1920, had outside board roofs (metal sheet sandwiched inside) and no ice hatch platforms. With the introduction of outside metal roofs on Class R-30-12 in 1920, ice hatch platforms were also introduced. I was told by the retired Chief Mechanical Engineer of PFE that this was because the painted metal surface was considered slippery, nothing to do with fragility of the roof surface.
     When PFE first installed solid-steel roofs (structural steel, no more carlines or wood sheathing inside) in 1932, on Class R-70-2, ice hatch platforms were still installed. It was not until the first all-steel cars, the Class R-40-10 of 1936-37 that PFE dispensed with ice hatch platforms and that was because the use of "slate granules" sprinkled into the wet paint of the roof was considered to provide sufficiently secure footing that no platform was needed.
      All this, of course, is in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson




Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Bob Chapman
 

Ken Adams writes:
What were the dates for this version of the SP&S herald scheme. Is this post steam/1956?


Ken --
The Microscale decal set is very extensive, offering six different lettering variations, but silent on when they were initiated. Based on prototype photos, it seems that the large initials came in during the second half of the 50s -- pretty much post-steam on my layout. 

I'm not a SP&S expert; hopefully there's someone out there more knowledgeable.

Bob Chapman


need help finding a photo

Andy Carlson
 


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:


At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Fred Jansz
 

Garth,
my July 1950 ORER doesn't list any WP tank cars.
Suppose they were all in company service by then.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Where's this one come from?

Jim Betz
 

  It looks to me like those sacks (flour probably?) are hand stacked.  Certainly
maximizes the loading of the car - at the cost of labor.  Soon after this photo
was taking mgmt started cutting labor costs as their most important way to
make more money.  And in the days when this photo was taken it was
common for restaurants to stock flour in these quantities - and even some
homes used the bags as a way to save money (as long as you could keep
the mice and roaches out).
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

Bill McClure
 

Schuyler,

I worked on a few books for Morning Sun and articles for the N&W Hist. Society, but nothing for magazines.

And thank you.

Bill

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