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Re: need help finding a photo
Brent Greer
Thanks Andy !!
I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering. That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.
From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA. (1958-1964)
Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway.
Brent
Dr. J. Brent Greer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo -Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:
At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar
(TTX I believe). I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again. Can someone please help me find it?
Sincere thanks, Brent Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Re: Where's this one come from?
That was model railroad humor Howard, I used to be a judge at times as well Fenton
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:10 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
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Re: Where's this one come from?
earlyrail
Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy
many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice
looking car other than that. Fenton No. That is where you can gain points,just provide the photo and point it out. Or loose points when you do not follow the photo. Howard (sometime judge) Garner
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Re: refrigerator car ice hatches
Tony Thompson
I don't mean to contradict the summary by Dennis Storzek, but thought readers might like a summary of PFE practice. The earliest PFE cars, from 1906 to 1920, had outside board roofs (metal sheet sandwiched inside) and no ice hatch platforms. With the introduction of outside metal roofs on Class R-30-12 in 1920, ice hatch platforms were also introduced. I was told by the retired Chief Mechanical Engineer of PFE that this was because the painted metal surface was considered slippery, nothing to do with fragility of the roof surface. When PFE first installed solid-steel roofs (structural steel, no more carlines or wood sheathing inside) in 1932, on Class R-70-2, ice hatch platforms were still installed. It was not until the first all-steel cars, the Class R-40-10 of 1936-37 that PFE dispensed with ice hatch platforms and that was because the use of "slate granules" sprinkled into the wet paint of the roof was considered to provide sufficiently secure footing that no platform was needed. All this, of course, is in the PFE book. Tony Thompson
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Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5
Bob Chapman
Ken Adams writes:
What were the dates for this version of the SP&S herald scheme. Is this post steam/1956?
Ken --
The Microscale decal set is very extensive, offering six different lettering variations, but silent on when they were initiated. Based on prototype photos, it seems that the large initials came in during the second half of the 50s -- pretty much post-steam on my layout.
I'm not a SP&S expert; hopefully there's someone out there more knowledgeable.
Bob Chapman
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need help finding a photo
Andy Carlson
-Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:
At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe). I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again. Can someone please help me find it? Sincere thanks, Brent Dr. J. Brent Greer
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Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950
Fred Jansz
Garth,
my July 1950 ORER doesn't list any WP tank cars. Suppose they were all in company service by then. best regards, Fred Jansz
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Re: Where's this one come from?
It looks to me like those sacks (flour probably?) are hand stacked. Certainly
maximizes the loading of the car - at the cost of labor. Soon after this photo was taking mgmt started cutting labor costs as their most important way to make more money. And in the days when this photo was taken it was common for restaurants to stock flour in these quantities - and even some homes used the bags as a way to save money (as long as you could keep the mice and roaches out). - Jim
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Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2
Bill McClure
Schuyler, I worked on a few books for Morning Sun and articles for the N&W Hist. Society, but nothing for magazines. And thank you. Bill Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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Re: Tankcar Dome Platform Redux
Todd Sullivan
Thank you, Dennis. You're a pretty good sleuth!
Todd Sullivan
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Pennzoil tank cars
lrkdbn
Dear group
A while back I was able to buy the Herald King decal set for the Pennzoil 3 compartment tank car described in a Model Railroader article of some years ago. This article had no prototype pictures.My question is, does anyone know of pictures of prototype Pennzoil cars, particularly in the pre WWII era?. Larry King <lrkdbn@...>
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Tankcar Dome Platform Redux
Dennis Storzek
We hadsome discussion a while bach about which side the dome platform belongs on when the car has it on only one side. Looking for something else in the Safety Appliance section of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, I find this language:
"Dome Platform and Dome Handholds.—Minimum diameter, five-eighths (5/8) of an inch, wrought iron or steel. Minimum clear length, fourteen (14) inches, preferably sixteen (16) inches.
Minimum clearance, two (2) inches, preferably two and one-half (2 1/2) inches.
Location.—On brake mast side of car leading to dome. When car is equipped with more than one dome, the step board shall be lengthened so that all dome covers will be accessible from same; or, ladder, dome platform and handholds provided leading to each dome." Dennis Storzek
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Re: refrigerator car ice hatches
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:07 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
I have to disagree with Dennis, at least with respect to MDT, which is the only private reefer fleet with which I am familiar.Always a danger when trying to condense the history and progression of freightcar features to two paragraphs, that someone will cite an example that runs counter to the general rule. Obviously, since the Safety Appliance Act didn't require hatch platforms, each car owner was free to use them, or not. But the fact remains that there was discussion in the trade press in the early years of the twentieth century that outside metal roofs were not a suitable walking surface (maybe the discussion was mostly in Chicago-Cleveland Co. advertising materials, since they also made inside metal roofs). And the fact remains that the MCB/ARA drawings that illustrate the new safety appliance requirements call for latitudinal extensions of the running boards on boxcars with outside metal roofs, but not on cars where the outer surface of the roof is wood. Either way, MANY owners of reefers used hatch platforms on cars with outside metal roofs, and MOST (all?) ended the practice on new or rebuilt cars having more substantial steel roofs. Dennis Storzek
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Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2
James Brewer
Nice work Bill!
Jim Brewer
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Re: Where's this one come from?
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
The Rock Island looks like the Minneapolis flour mills to me, maybe Pillsbury A Mill?
-Hudson
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Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2
Schuyler Larrabee
Somehow “Bill McClure” is a very familiar name. Did you write articles for some modeling magazines in the past?
Wonderful looking models, Bill.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill McClure
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 10:59 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Photos Part 2
Long time lurker, but I have never posted. I am a long-time builder of, well, anything, including resin kits from the first offerings of Al W. I have also been a scratch builder since the 1960s. A few years ago I got an itch to try resin casting a series of C&O cars based on its 82,000-82,999 40-ton Auto Box, Class XAB, built 1924-25 by Illinois Car. The Hocking Valley had an identical series, 83,000-83,999, built 1924 by Pullman.
So here are three versions of essentially the same car body, as-built, C&O gray MOW dress, and the later green dress.
Bill Bill McClure
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Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5
Bob Chapman
Clark Propst writes:
Can you elaborate on the weathering of the SP&S car? Really nice.
Hi, Clark --
The technique was developed by the late Greg Martin (a great guy who many of us will miss). He used a Post-It to mask at each seam (tape will work just as well), and airbrushed a very dilute spray of Testor's Rubber along the edge of the mask. Sometimes he got fancy and reversed the Post-Its to the other side of the seam and similarly airbrushed very dilute Caboose Red -- sounds terrible, but the effect was very effective. For the SP&S, I only did the black. Greg featured the technique with color photos in numerous articles in Mainline Modeler, if you happen to have a back issue collection; at one point, I seem to recall him doing an article in MR or RMC featuring it.
The highlighting visible in the photo is mostly around the seams in the Superior doors, done with a Prismacolor 70% Warm Grey pencil. I also did the roof seams. An art store sharpener will give you the fine point that you need.
Regards,
Bob Chapman
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Re: Where's this one come from?
Schuyler Larrabee
But MORE points if he submits the photo to prove how accurate the model is.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 1:30 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where's this one come from?
Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that. Fenton
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:21 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
-- Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: [Espee] Photos: T&NO 38781 And SP 26159 (B-50-11 Boxcars)
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote:
Nice photos. The B-50-11 class, 800 cars, was entirely built by Ralston in the fall of 1916. The photo shown of SP 26159 exists in a much better version in the National Archives of Canada, and I used that version in my book on SP box cars. Tony Thompson
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Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950
Charlie Vlk
All- Note that this list may not be very accurate due to the way private owner cars are reported and listed in the ORER. For example, the John H. Grace Company is listed in Jerry’s compilation as only “DRDX” reporting marks and the PTLX and GRYX reporting marks also used by this company are not shown. For some reason I can’t find John H. Grace in my 1950 Westerfield ORER disc but it does appear in the 1955 version and there all three reporting marks are listed. The car count is not shown and if it were I would be very cautious about relying on it. Results for other companies might be similar. Charlie Vlk PS- GRYX apparently had cars associated with the Mather Company in 1935
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:00 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950
Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950 A list compiled by Jerry Britton: https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950 This list represents tank cars rostered in North America, according to the Official Railway Equipment Register. This list does not include milk tanks, vinegar tanks, pickle tanks or tanks specifically denoted for company service. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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