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EARLY PLASTIC KITS

Andy Carlson
 



On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:09:42 PM PDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


...........  This is a McKean PS-1 kit.  My friend Andy Carlson deemed this kit as the worst. .........

I don't remember telling Bill this; I remember telling him their Pullman door was the worst.

I have high regards for the McKean 40' double door box car. It was among the first kits with separate details and I feel the 6' post-war Youngstown doors remain among the better ones in HO today. It is a bit of work, but a straight side sill replacement and replacing the diagonal panel roof with an overhanging eaves roof and one has a nice model of a Great Northern 3500-3999 series of cars. The middle door post (between the L & R door) is an exact match for the GN. Today, a better pair of ends are the Branchline Blueprint Series of banana taper ends.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Peter Weiglin
 

I woul like to point out that the C&O Historical Society (www.cohs.org) is offering a DVD containing all of the Mainline Modeler back issues.
It is priced at $89.95  Much good stuff in there.

Note: don;t confuse it with ahother DVD, only of the articles related to C&O.


Re: EARLY PLASTIC KITS

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie wrote:
"That was the first and last time that I took a model to an event."

Well, that's a true shame.


Ben Hom


EARLY PLASTIC KITS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



The recent discussion on the C&BT kits has prompted me to pull l this car out of the showcase.  I had not looked at it for years.  This is a McKean PS-1 kit.  My friend Andy Carlson deemed this kit as the worst.  At that time Ed Hawkins did several articles in Rail Model Journal on completing this kit.  I immediately went out and bought the kit.  (Where were you then Andy?)  At that time the RPM meets were held in conjunction with the NMRA meets.  I carefully packed my prize in an Overland Models  box to protect it on the journey. When I walked into the RPM room Richard Hendrickson met me at the door. HIs eyes went straight to the box and he said “I hope that’s not what I think it is”.  As it turned out I had to borrow some tools and adhesive before placing the mopdel on display.  That was the first and last time that I took a model to an event.

One of the real pleasuies of the hobby are the great people involved in it. Each of my models has a story behind it.  Thanks for bringing up the C&BT kits and resurrecting some great memories.

Bill Pardie


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Ian Cranstone
 

The list gives one an idea as to just how large the lease fleets (UTLX, GATX, SHPX, NATX, and for Canada, CGTX and TCLX). The ORER has always been a little shaky in tank car information, and frequently doesn’t cover railroad-owned cars — mostly because railroad-owned cars were employed in the service of the railroad, and not generally available for other uses.  Even the Tank Car Capacities tariff (TCC) overlooks a number of railroad-owned cars — for example, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific owned a number of tank cars for company use, and none of them were listed in either the ORER or TCC.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On May 19, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

A list compiled by Jerry Britton:

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/97-interchange-ownership-of-tank-cars-in-1950

This list represents tank cars rostered in North America, according to the Official Railway Equipment Register. This list does not include milk tanks, vinegar tanks, pickle tanks or tanks specifically denoted for company service.


Re: need help finding a photo

Brent Greer
 

Thanks Andy !! 

I purchased another photo like this at the last CCB gathering.  That one included a pickup truck in the mix of vehicles loaded onto the semi rack in1959.

From talking with folks in the Studebaker fan world, it appears that this was the preferred method of distribution during the last 4 - 6 years of Studebaker production in the USA.  (1958-1964)

Studebaker continued production in Canada at their Hamilton, Ontario plant through 1966, but I have no idea how those were shipped and it is in the future relative to this list anyway. 

Brent 



Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] need help finding a photo
 

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:


At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Where's this one come from?

O Fenton Wells
 

That was model railroad humor Howard, I used to be a judge at times as well
Fenton

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:10 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.
Fenton

No.  That is where you can gain points,just provide the photo and point it out.
Or loose points when you do not follow the photo.
Howard (sometime judge) Garner



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Re: Where's this one come from?

earlyrail
 

Boy the lettering of the Capy, Ld. Lmt. and Lt. Wt. will cost this guy many NMRA contest points for sloppy decaling. Too bad as it is a nice looking car other than that.
Fenton

No.  That is where you can gain points,just provide the photo and point it out.
Or loose points when you do not follow the photo.
Howard (sometime judge) Garner


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Tony Thompson
 

I don't mean to contradict the summary by Dennis Storzek, but thought readers might like a summary of PFE practice. The earliest PFE cars, from 1906 to 1920, had outside board roofs (metal sheet sandwiched inside) and no ice hatch platforms. With the introduction of outside metal roofs on Class R-30-12 in 1920, ice hatch platforms were also introduced. I was told by the retired Chief Mechanical Engineer of PFE that this was because the painted metal surface was considered slippery, nothing to do with fragility of the roof surface.
     When PFE first installed solid-steel roofs (structural steel, no more carlines or wood sheathing inside) in 1932, on Class R-70-2, ice hatch platforms were still installed. It was not until the first all-steel cars, the Class R-40-10 of 1936-37 that PFE dispensed with ice hatch platforms and that was because the use of "slate granules" sprinkled into the wet paint of the roof was considered to provide sufficiently secure footing that no platform was needed.
      All this, of course, is in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson




Re: WP and SP&S 1944 AAR Boxcars -- C&BT Upgrades #4 & #5

Bob Chapman
 

Ken Adams writes:
What were the dates for this version of the SP&S herald scheme. Is this post steam/1956?


Ken --
The Microscale decal set is very extensive, offering six different lettering variations, but silent on when they were initiated. Based on prototype photos, it seems that the large initials came in during the second half of the 50s -- pretty much post-steam on my layout. 

I'm not a SP&S expert; hopefully there's someone out there more knowledgeable.

Bob Chapman


need help finding a photo

Andy Carlson
 


-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 9:28:32 AM PDT, Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:


At some time back in 2019 (perhaps a little earlier), there was a photo shared that showed a semi-truck auto transporter loaded with some 1959 Studebaker cars and trucks, and this trailer was being shipped on a TOFC flatcar (TTX I believe).   I have done every kind of search term combination I can think of, but I can't find this picture again.  Can someone please help me find it?

Sincere thanks,
Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Ownership Of Tank Cars In 1950

Fred Jansz
 

Garth,
my July 1950 ORER doesn't list any WP tank cars.
Suppose they were all in company service by then.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Where's this one come from?

Jim Betz
 

  It looks to me like those sacks (flour probably?) are hand stacked.  Certainly
maximizes the loading of the car - at the cost of labor.  Soon after this photo
was taking mgmt started cutting labor costs as their most important way to
make more money.  And in the days when this photo was taken it was
common for restaurants to stock flour in these quantities - and even some
homes used the bags as a way to save money (as long as you could keep
the mice and roaches out).
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

Bill McClure
 

Schuyler,

I worked on a few books for Morning Sun and articles for the N&W Hist. Society, but nothing for magazines.

And thank you.

Bill


Re: Tankcar Dome Platform Redux

Todd Sullivan
 

Thank you, Dennis.  You're a pretty good sleuth!

Todd Sullivan


Pennzoil tank cars

lrkdbn
 

Dear group
A while back I was able to buy the Herald King decal set for the Pennzoil 3 compartment tank car described in
a Model Railroader article of some years ago. This article had no prototype pictures.My question is, does anyone know of pictures of prototype Pennzoil cars, particularly in the pre WWII era?.
 Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Tankcar Dome Platform Redux

Dennis Storzek
 

We hadsome discussion a while bach about which side the dome platform belongs on when the car has it on only one side. Looking for something else in the Safety Appliance section of the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, I find this language:

"Dome Platform and Dome Handholds.—Minimum diameter, five-eighths (5/8) of an inch, wrought iron or steel.
Minimum clear length, fourteen (14) inches, preferably sixteen (16) inches.
Minimum clearance, two (2) inches, preferably two and one-half (2 1/2) inches.
Location.—On brake mast side of car leading to dome. When car is equipped with more than one dome, the step board shall be lengthened so that all dome covers will be accessible from same; or, ladder, dome platform and handholds provided leading to each dome."

Dennis Storzek


Re: refrigerator car ice hatches

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:07 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
I have to disagree with Dennis, at least with respect to MDT, which is the only private reefer fleet with which I am familiar.

Between 1911 and 1917, MDT built 3700+ 40-ft reefers.  Most, possibly all, had outside-metal roofs when built, or else later rebuilt any with "wood" roofs, probably in the 1920s.  None had the the wood icing platforms that Dennis describes.
Always a danger when trying to condense the history and progression of freightcar features to two paragraphs, that someone will cite an example that runs counter to the general rule. Obviously, since the Safety Appliance Act didn't require hatch platforms, each car owner was free to use them, or not. But the fact remains that there was discussion in the trade press in the early years of the twentieth century that outside metal roofs were not a suitable walking surface (maybe the discussion was mostly in Chicago-Cleveland Co. advertising materials, since they also made inside metal roofs). And the fact remains that the MCB/ARA drawings that illustrate the new safety appliance requirements call for latitudinal extensions of the running boards on boxcars with outside metal roofs, but not on cars where the outer surface of the roof is wood. Either way, MANY owners of reefers used hatch platforms on cars with outside metal roofs, and MOST (all?) ended the practice on new or rebuilt cars having more substantial steel roofs.

Dennis Storzek


Re: C&O MW Photos Part 2

James Brewer
 

Nice work Bill!

Jim Brewer


Re: Where's this one come from?

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

The Rock Island looks like the Minneapolis flour mills to me, maybe Pillsbury A Mill?

-Hudson

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