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Re: Canadian National 7-panel Howe Truss Boxcars Help

Dave Parker
 

Bill, I believe these cars are the subject of Ted's EFC #8.

Best regards.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: TNM hopper car suitable model

Sam Reynolds
 

Nate,

Attached is a photo I quickly took of an Atlas 70-ton 9 panel 3-bay hopper that I stripped for another project. I took some measurements of the car so you can compare them to the diagram sheet. The measurements are as follows: 43'6" over end top chord; 41'3" inside length; 43'3" over strikers; 42'9" over end sills; 34' truck centers; 10'6" over side top chord. You will see from the attached photo that all of the side ribs are riveted unlike those shown in your prototype photo. I don't have one of the MDC/Roundhouse cars, but if I remember correctly they were shorter than the Atlas hopper and had riveted side ribs like the Atlas car. If interested, I have 10 of these hoppers that I'm selling since I no longer need them for kitbashing into L&N Pullman Standard PS-3 coal hoppers.

Sam Reynolds


Canadian National 7-panel Howe Truss Boxcars Help

Bill Welch
 

Over the years three models have been done of the CN's 7-panel Howe Truss Boxcars—F&C ()originally Steam Shack I think), Sylvan, and Kaslo Shops. I am interested in trying to understand built dates and breakdown of cars with wood doors and steel doors. Have there been any articles in the hobby press or perhaps the CNHS about these cars. Perhaps someone may be able to scan article if they have it. Thank you.

Bill Welch


Re: ID needed

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Bill S. wrote:

"Some produce didn’t need icing-just air flow. Potatoes, and I believe onions among the produce were so shipped. Were some (uninsulated) cars used for the brief(heavy) potato runs(seed potatoes in the spring, product in the fall)? Those cars could be used for other purposes the rest of the year. ACL ‘Watermellon’ (ventilated)cars had barred doors, and regular doors for other freight. The insulation, bunkers, etc. would use up a lot of space. Does anyone know if they had ‘ventilated’ box cars? Respectfully, Bill S."

Hi Bill,

    Your post is a little confusing  with regard to ventilated boxcars in that it seen you might think they were insulated where I've never heard of that being the case. The whole purpose of ventiated boxcars was to provide air flow through the cars in the warmer months to prevent crops like watermelons from begining to over ripen or rot.  In theory I suppose bagged potatoes could be shipped in ventilated boxcars during the early fall and late spring months when there was no chance for them to freeze or overheat though I have no knowledge of that ever being done. They are best kept in cool, dry condtions. which is why roads like the Bangor & Aroostook rostered so many insulated box cars. These cars were not refrigerated but certainly were insulated and some also had heaters for use in winter shipment. In the hottest summer months refrigerated cars had to be used to prevent spoilage enroute. Most export seed potatoes from the US normally moved in the winter to be where they were needed by spring in the northern hemisphere. The last time I was in Winterport, Maine during the winter was between Christmas and New Year in 1976, Winterport having docking faciities just up the Penobscot River from its mouth at Searsport. At that time there was a German freighter loading seed potatoes and three or four more riding at anchor in the river waiting their turn. Unfortunately the grade of seed potatoes that were sent down the BAR for them did not meet the inspectors requirements, so we were told on the return trip when questions were asked as to where all the ship went so quckly. We were told they had sailed for New Orleans to load seed potatoes from Idaho instead. This was business lost to the BAR due to issues with Aroostook County potato growers not taking proper care of their crops in harvesting and storage. Before increasing the number of its own insulated boxcars and reefers in the post WW II era the BAR used large numbers of MDT reefers in the white paint with the blue & red strripes along the bottom of their sides. Entire trains of these cars were turned over to the Maine Central which in turn handed them over to the Boston & Maine to move them along to their destinations outsie of New England. Now almost all potatoes leaving main are shipped in tractor-trailer loads. From the mid-1970's on many of the BAR's insulaed boxcars and reefers were conversed into wood chip cars at the road's shop in Derby, Maine

    I can't speak about onion transport but expect some of the folks in Iowa might hace some knowledge of that.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: My latest Covid build

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Dave


On May 20, 2020, at 9:32 PM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

 I agree, the weathering is great--doesn't takeaway from the detail but makes it look a lot less like a model.

Dave

Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 6:27:55 PM, you wrote:


Southern covered hopper by F&C .  Light weathering as the car was 1951 and the era is about that time



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: My latest Covid build

Paul Doggett
 

Fenton 

That’s very nice and a large hopper for 1951.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 20 May 2020, at 23:28, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Southern covered hopper by F&C .  Light weathering as the car was 1951 and the era is about that time

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Re: Best Model Trucks for B&O M-55 Boxcars

Dave Parker
 

Bruce:

They are planked, have Barber Lateral Motion, and the end of the truck bolster is a dead ringer for the Tahoe x09.  Sideframe is a little different, but it looks like a decent match to my eye.



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jim,

 

               This is exactly what I needed.  Thanks for taking the trouble to scan it for me!

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Brewer
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SHPX ORER help needed

 

Jeff,

I hope this helps; difficult to get the book flat enough on the scanner.

Jim Brewer


Best Model Trucks for B&O M-55 Boxcars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

Any thoughts on the best HO scale trucks to match the ones in the attached photos? Thank you.

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: My latest Covid build

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I agree, the weathering is great--doesn't takeaway from the detail but makes it look a lot less like a model.

Dave

Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 6:27:55 PM, you wrote:


Southern covered hopper by F&C .  Light weathering as the car was 1951 and the era is about that time



--
David Bott

Sent from David Bott's desktop PC
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____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34


Re: Update - Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the update, Dick. I'm relieved that the only issues have to do with the brake system, which is easy to fix.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dick Harley via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc: Steve Hile <shile@mindspring.com>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Update - Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers


Well, I received my samples of these reefers and was quite relieved to see that they used my new artwork on all the models. Several people, including myself, were making judgements about the models based on the photos in the InterMountain advertising flyer, without noticing that the photos were NOT of car numbers in this latest run.

So, the lettering is perfect (yeah, I did the artwork). The colors are just fine. The lettering can be matched with the Microscale 2-sheet set 87-501, for those wishing to change the car numbers or reweigh dates or repack dates or anything else. The -21s have fan control plates. The all orange-sided 1953-era car uses Terry’s side with the top facia board as part of the side. The assembly is very clean. Any thoughts of stripping these cars is lunacy, in my opinion.

Now the bad news, which you already know. The brake system has several issues and mistakes. Steve Hile is working on a presentation to show how to fix most things, and I am assisting him. That should be ready in a few days. I am also working on a SmugMug gallery with prototype data, and I’ll announce that soon, when I feel more confident of what I say and have more images.

So overall, these are fine and important cars to add to a steam era freight car roster.


Stay Safe & Healthy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Update - Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Dick Harley
 

Well, I received my samples of these reefers and was quite relieved to see that they used my new artwork on all the models. Several people, including myself, were making judgements about the models based on the photos in the InterMountain advertising flyer, without noticing that the photos were NOT of car numbers in this latest run.

So, the lettering is perfect (yeah, I did the artwork). The colors are just fine. The lettering can be matched with the Microscale 2-sheet set 87-501, for those wishing to change the car numbers or reweigh dates or repack dates or anything else. The -21s have fan control plates. The all orange-sided 1953-era car uses Terry’s side with the top facia board as part of the side. The assembly is very clean. Any thoughts of stripping these cars is lunacy, in my opinion.

Now the bad news, which you already know. The brake system has several issues and mistakes. Steve Hile is working on a presentation to show how to fix most things, and I am assisting him. That should be ready in a few days. I am also working on a SmugMug gallery with prototype data, and I’ll announce that soon, when I feel more confident of what I say and have more images.

So overall, these are fine and important cars to add to a steam era freight car roster.


Stay Safe & Healthy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: My latest Covid build

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Jim, appreciate that.


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:29 PM James E Kubanick <jekuban@...> wrote:
Fenton,

I, too, am impressed with the build of this car. Very sharp looking.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 7:11:33 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


I agree with Todd, Fenton, that is a very nice looking car.  I have to ask, though, there have been some kvetching about the size of the rivet recently.  Is there any thought that the rivets may be a bit large?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My latest Covid build

 

Fenton -

That's a right nice looking car!  Lots of complicated looking hardware on the roof for the hatches, and such a clean look otherwise.  The lettering says they were used for cement.  Were they used for other commodities?

Todd Sullivan



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: ID needed

erieblt2
 

Some produce didn’t need icing-just air flow. Potatoes, and I believe onions among the produce were so shipped. Were some (uninsulated) cars used for the brief(heavy) potato runs(seed potatoes in the spring, product in the fall)? Those cars could be used for other purposes the rest of the year. ACL ‘Watermellon’ (ventilated)cars had barred doors, and regular doors for other freight. The insulation, bunkers, etc. would use up a lot of space. Does anyone know if they had ‘ventilated’ box cars? Respectfully, Bill S.


On May 20, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


So the car was basically a SS car with an extra layer of sheathing INSIDE sandwiching the insulation? That ought to really cut down the capacity.

An outside braced reefer was probably a limited design car I assume?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 04:54:50 PM CDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Definitely an R7 in the photograph. You can tell by the diagonal bracing going in both directions. On the R7, the insulation was added inside the sheathing, so the capacity was reduced over that of the X24 boxcar. 

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Roger Huber via groups.io <trainpainter@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ID needed
 
I recently discovered this photo of a wreck on the Ma&Pa at Sharon, MD near Gross Trestle from 10/30/1925. The near car on it's side appears to be a reefer due to the door and ice hatches. It's also a single sheathed car to me. I can only recall Pennsy R7 and a similar Reading cars like that. Wouldn't a SS reefer have little ability to keep things cool?

Thanks for any help.
oldline1


Re: My latest Covid build

James E Kubanick
 

Fenton,

I, too, am impressed with the build of this car. Very sharp looking.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 7:11:33 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


I agree with Todd, Fenton, that is a very nice looking car.  I have to ask, though, there have been some kvetching about the size of the rivet recently.  Is there any thought that the rivets may be a bit large?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My latest Covid build

 

Fenton -

That's a right nice looking car!  Lots of complicated looking hardware on the roof for the hatches, and such a clean look otherwise.  The lettering says they were used for cement.  Were they used for other commodities?

Todd Sullivan


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

James Brewer
 

Jeff,

I hope this helps; difficult to get the book flat enough on the scanner.

Jim Brewer


Re: My latest Covid build

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I agree with Todd, Fenton, that is a very nice looking car.  I have to ask, though, there have been some kvetching about the size of the rivet recently.  Is there any thought that the rivets may be a bit large?

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My latest Covid build

 

Fenton -

That's a right nice looking car!  Lots of complicated looking hardware on the roof for the hatches, and such a clean look otherwise.  The lettering says they were used for cement.  Were they used for other commodities?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Intermountain wheelsets for sale.

Brian Carlson
 

Wheels have tentatively sold pending payment.

Brian J. Carlson

On May 20, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have excess intermountain HO wheelsets

2 packs of 33” high detail wheels. Code 110 tread. $12 each

100 count HO 33” bulk count code 110 wheels. $60. (Dealer told me these were code 88. They are not. Box was opened and I saw they were code 110)

Shipping USPS priority mail. Buy all three. Free shipping.

Contact me OFF LIST at prrk41361 at yahoo dot com if interested.

Brian J. Carlson



Re: My latest Covid build

Lester Breuer
 

Excellent build Fenton.
Lester Breuer


Re: My latest Covid build

Todd Sullivan
 

Fenton -

That's a right nice looking car!  Lots of complicated looking hardware on the roof for the hatches, and such a clean look otherwise.  The lettering says they were used for cement.  Were they used for other commodities?

Todd Sullivan

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