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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

al_brown03
 

Caption calls it an X29, but methinks it's an X25. (Door opens left.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

The building the background made me very curious. What was Alabastine? Apparently a gypsum-based tinted plaster. 

Here is a Wikipedia link to the Alabastine Mine, now a secure underground storage facility: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabastine_Mine

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 12:31 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

A circa 1925 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/161518

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

Bill Keene
 

Nice photo.  BUT what is that tower in the background?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 24, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

A circa 1930s photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/165252

A load of wax paper.

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 563144

A circa 1925 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/161518

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner

A circa 1930s photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/165252

A load of wax paper.

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: N&W Hopper 21967 Unloading Coal

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: N&W Hopper 21967 Unloading Coal

A 1930 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum:

https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/172754

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Those are some big chunks of coal!

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcars Labeled "Vehicle" Or "Carriage"

Brian Termunde
 

Wow, 'only' 327 feet long! <G> I'd have issues running that baby on my club layout no doubt, even 'N'ormal Scale.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Boxcars Labeled "Vehicle" Or "Carriage"
From: earlyrail
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:21:43 PDT
Actually this is a 327' 6" inner length car, 40,000 cpy. series 41000 - 41716 (even only) 297 car in 1905
Howard Garner


Re: What activity is going on here?

Clark Propst
 

I think the guy in the stripped jacket is shoveling a few lumps off the conveyor into the MoW car...Neat photo of an old coal conveyor anyway.
CW Propst


Re: Ore car help

Thomas Evans
 

The plans for this car are also in the 1895 & 1898 Car Builders Dictionary along with a photo of an apparently identical LS&MS car.
These were reproduced in Newton Gregg's Train Shed Cyclopedia #55 (for the photo) & #57 (for the plan).

Tom


SOLD: HO Western Pacific 42' 1916 blt BoxCar

Andy Carlson
 

Hi everyone-
This single set of castings for the WP box car has been spoken for. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 6:42:49 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Hello-

I have made a few castings for a WP 42' single sheathed box car, the real one was built in 1916. Many of these cars reached a few years after the War, but most were rebuilt from the years of 1937 and on for cabooses and stock cars, so not many received AB brakes, with the exception of the gypsum top hatch loading cars which served from Gerlick to the Bay Area.

I have set of castings which will do a single box car. No decals, trucks, couplers brake sets, just the hard parts for this venerable WP box car.

These parts have some small flaws which make them unsuitable for a sell at full price. I think that a modeler with some experience fixing some small voids with putty should be able to make a first class looking box car. I don't recommend anyone who has no experience with resin kit building for this car has no instructions.




HO Western Pacific 42' 1916 blt BoxCar

Andy Carlson
 

I forgot my "Contact me off-list (please) with questions at <midcentury@...>"
Sorry-
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 6:43:29 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Hello-

I have made a few castings for a WP 42' single sheathed box car, the real one was built in 1916. Many of these cars reached a few years after the War, but most were rebuilt from the years of 1937 and on for cabooses and stock cars, so not many received AB brakes, with the exception of the gypsum top hatch loading cars which served from Gerlick to the Bay Area.

I have set of castings which will do a single box car. No decals, trucks, couplers brake sets, just the hard parts for this venerable WP box car.

These parts have some small flaws which make them unsuitable for a sell at full price. I think that a modeler with some experience fixing some small voids with putty should be able to make a first class looking box car. I don't recommend anyone who has no experience with resin kit building for this car has no instructions.

This single set of castings will have the following parts:

 2 sides w/ wood door
1 'A' end w/ lumber door
1 'B' end
4 roof inner supports
1 under frame
10 frame cross-ties
4  frame door opening cross members
1 piece roof

Offered for $40 and I pay shipping to the US. Remember, this will require some small extra work. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, PayPal is welcomed.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson



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HO Western Pacific 42' 1916 blt BoxCar

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have made a few castings for a WP 42' single sheathed box car, the real one was built in 1916. Many of these cars reached a few years after the War, but most were rebuilt from the years of 1937 and on for cabooses and stock cars, so not many received AB brakes, with the exception of the gypsum top hatch loading cars which served from Gerlick to the Bay Area.

I have set of castings which will do a single box car. No decals, trucks, couplers brake sets, just the hard parts for this venerable WP box car.

These parts have some small flaws which make them unsuitable for a sell at full price. I think that a modeler with some experience fixing some small voids with putty should be able to make a first class looking box car. I don't recommend anyone who has no experience with resin kit building for this car has no instructions.

This single set of castings will have the following parts:

 2 sides w/ wood door
1 'A' end w/ lumber door
1 'B' end
4 roof inner supports
1 under frame
10 frame cross-ties
4  frame door opening cross members
1 piece roof

Offered for $40 and I pay shipping to the US. Remember, this will require some small extra work. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, PayPal is welcomed.
Thanks,
-andy Carlson




Re: Kits for sale

bnpmodeler
 

Hi all;

A quick follow-up. I’ve been swamped with requests for my list. Nearly 70 replies, and I’m only through the first 15 or so. Most premier kits have been spoken for by the first few responses. Again, it’s a holiday weekend and as I’m away from my desktop it’s getting difficult to keep track but do understand I will respond to all. It will take a couple days, so I do ask all to please be patient, and thank you all for your interest.

Jim Harr


Re: What activity is going on here?

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
Since there isn’t anything for the conveyor to load, my guess is they are using it to get a small load to replenish the waycar/MOW car coal box.  
Charlie Vlk


On May 23, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I stumbled upon an interesting view which captures a steam era freight car of some sort, a coal conveyor, and two people...
 
 
In my mind, there are way more questions than there are answers...
 
(1) What is the freight car? It appears to have a small window. Work train car? Caboose? Other?
 
(2) Is the freight car in the process of being unloaded?
 
(3) There is nothing at the other end of the coal conveyor to receive whatever is being conveyed – what is the story there?
 
The guy nearest the freight car is holding a shovel, looks like he is going to drop the shovel load onto the conveyor, the other guy in the snappy clothes is not making any meaningful contribution other than supervising (maybe)
 
Perhaps this entire scene is simply posed for the benefit of the camera, rather than being a real work scene?
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

brianleppert@att.net
 

FWIW, the journal box lids on the trucks under this gondola all have a cast on foundry mark.  A "B" inside a circle.  That stands for the Buckeye Steel Castings Co.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


nice image of a three-axle truck

David
 

N&W 90-ton battleship gon, class GK, GKa, or GL. The Buckeye truck was not original, so this is likely a test application.

David Thompson


Re: What activity is going on here?

Ray Breyer
 

Well, it's a non-revenue car, so I'll bet what we're seeing here is a company stores car stopped at a station, unloading company coal to the local depot (those are giant chunks of coal; why pay to have coal broken & washed for employes when they can do it themselves in their ample free time?)

The guy in the suit may be the local agent. More likely, he's just a local coming to watch all the excitement.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 02:40:58 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I stumbled upon an interesting view which captures a steam era freight car of some sort, a coal conveyor, and two people...
 
 
In my mind, there are way more questions than there are answers...
 
(1) What is the freight car? It appears to have a small window. Work train car? Caboose? Other?
 
(2) Is the freight car in the process of being unloaded?
 
(3) There is nothing at the other end of the coal conveyor to receive whatever is being conveyed – what is the story there?
 
The guy nearest the freight car is holding a shovel, looks like he is going to drop the shovel load onto the conveyor, the other guy in the snappy clothes is not making any meaningful contribution other than supervising (maybe)
 
Perhaps this entire scene is simply posed for the benefit of the camera, rather than being a real work scene?
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: What activity is going on here?

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Claus,

The photo is crystal clear in a time before autofocus and big flood lamps, so it is clearly a "frozen moment" likely posed photo, but maybe only temporarily stopped.  It does look like the dray or truck on the receiving end is moved off.  There are lumps of what look like coal up and down the conveyor, so maybe waiting for the next one to line up?  The car's window and grab suggest a MoW car or side door caboose.  Who knows for sure, but maybe it's coal for caboose stoves or for depot heating?  Maybe the guy in the suit is a station agent?  All speculation, but they did dress more formally in that day.

Note the conveyor is on steel/iron beam skids and as positioned the car step looks like it just clears the conveyor.   So that could be semi-permanent setup for regular coal dump of small amounts or it could be temporary and staged.

Why take the photo, might be the real question. Is this for describing proper loading technique?  Is it to prepare a legal case for a workplace injury claim?  How many photos were taken just for fun when the materials were relatively expensive and the setup was a challenge?

It is an interesting image.  Thanks for sharing.

Dave Bott

Saturday, May 23, 2020, 3:26:36 PM, you wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I stumbled upon an interesting view which captures a steam era freight car of some sort, a coal conveyor, and two people...
 
https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/172757
 
In my mind, there are way more questions than there are answers...
 
(1) What is the freight car? It appears to have a small window. Work train car? Caboose? Other?
 
(2) Is the freight car in the process of being unloaded?
 
(3) There is nothing at the other end of the coal conveyor to receive whatever is being conveyed – what is the story there?
 
The guy nearest the freight car is holding a shovel, looks like he is going to drop the shovel load onto the conveyor, the other guy in the snappy clothes is not making any meaningful contribution other than supervising (maybe)
 
Perhaps this entire scene is simply posed for the benefit of the camera, rather than being a real work scene?
 
Claus Schlund
 



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David Bott

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Re: Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not about the car in the subject line . . .

 

Were the records of Buckeye (and Columbus Steel Castings) preserved at all?  I don’t remember what I was after – might have been for a locomotive driver center -  but I once contacted them and they said if I >>REALLY<< needed it, they had the drawings I was interested in at the time, but it would probably take a couple man days to locate them.  Was I willing to pay for that?

 

Ah, nooooo.

 

But I still wonder if they were preserved.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

 

The amazing thing was that Columbus Steel Castings (the successor to Buckeye) was the largest steel foundry under one roof in North America in the last couple of decades.  Not something you normally associate Columbus with. 

 

My model railroad club, on which I pulled steam era freight cars, was on the grounds (in the old ARMCO executive building) from 1969 until 2016-ish, when we were finally asked to leave, so I’ve long had a soft spot for the facility. 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

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On May 23, 2020, at 1:09 PM, Riverboy via groups.io <river_dweller_ohio@...> wrote:



Beautiful photo.

 

It's interesting to note that over the last year, ALL of the Buckeye Steel buildings have been torn down, and the entire property is being cleaned up and will eventually be redeveloped. I moved from Massachusetts to Ohio in 1993 when I was 25, and moved just south of Columbus in 1995 when I bought my house, and after over 20 years of seeing the complex there, busy with all kinds of activity, along with a smell that was a lot like a burning clutch or burning brakes, the property is now vacant and void of all the structures. It looks so "wrong". Kind of sad in a way. A lot of history is now gone.

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

Lockbourne/Shadeville Ohio

 

On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 12:54:21 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728

This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit.

My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola

David
 

The stencil had me scratching my head, too, but I think it is for Buckeye since Bethlehem didn't merge Cambria/Midvale until 1922.

Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/67537
That one is a Hocking Valley car:
https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/67531

David Thompson

23621 - 23640 of 197043