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PRR 254288
Clark Propst
There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?
Many Thanks, CW Propst
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
lsittler
My apologies. I have only been on this list for about 5 months and am
learning all the time. Had no idea lists like this existed and am truly a
neophyte. I appreciate all the information that is available here.
Unfortunately, I don’t know yet how to access things and appreciate everyone’s
indulgence. Les
From: Benjamin
Hom
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT
Upgrade #6 Les Sittler asked:
"May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard
Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?"
The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here:
Recommend list members bookmark this link
and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list,
yet people keep forgetting the information exists.
Ben Hom
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Benjamin Hom
Les Sittler asked: "May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?" The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here: Recommend list members bookmark this link and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list, yet people keep forgetting the information exists. Ben Hom
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
lsittler
Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you
quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins
spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to
upgrade like what you have done here. Les
From: Bob
Chapman
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT
Upgrade #6 Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's
the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double
door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their
variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including
UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a
natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was
off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.
If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs
the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match.
Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and
Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125"
styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a
Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype
photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.
This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to
upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four
decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the
inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for
his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing
choices.
Bob Chapman
Attachments:
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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Kadee does recycle sprues etc. into virgin styrene, but only ONCE. The excess from THAT batch is all scrapped. Then excess from the following virgin batch can be recycled once, and so on. Any other process degrades the styrene. Tony Thompson
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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question
dh30973
A good portion of the DA parts were re packaged Grandt Line parts. Same parts, just less in the package. Grandt did use re-grind for some of their parts, not saying which. Before I bought Cannon and Company after Gordon’s death, he told me he saved his sprues and incomplete parts to take to Grandt. So they could re grind them. Gordon never used re grind. Some of the other DA parts were made by another tool maker, Joel Berling, who also used regrind. But he did not do the gondola. Dave Hussey
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Re: Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665
Todd Sullivan
The Fallbrook Railway was built from semi-bituminous coal fields in the Southern Tier of New York and Northern Tier of Pennsylvania to the Corning, NY area to haul coal for the Corning Glass Works.
Todd Sullivan
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Claus;
THAT is one interesting gon, of course which there are numerous examples of. The RRs responses to the uniquely badly-treated gondola car fleets were numerous and varied. I am always interested in how RRs built new or rebuilt to address this problem.
Thanks for sharing!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Elden,
Thanks for writing – someone else said they thought it was Hocking Valley, and there was a second photo in the collection to support that suggestion
Claus Schlund
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Claus;
That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose. Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.
That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….
Elden Gatwood
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Bob and List Members,
I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665
Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665 A photo from the New York Heritage Digital Collections: https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16694coll29/id/1935/rec/7 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Circa early 1900s. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: CCC&StL Boxcar 44759 With Banner
Photo: CCC&StL Boxcar 44759 With Banner A circa 1931 photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum: https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/163583 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Tree Tanglefoot is an adaptation of sticky flypaper adhesive that prevents destructive insects from crawling up tree trunks and damaging trees. The Tanglefoot Company was founded in 1885 and is still in business as a division of ScottsMiracle-Gro. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Elden,
Thanks for writing – someone else said they thought it was Hocking Valley,
and there was a second photo in the collection to support that suggestion
Claus Schlund
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel
Transfer Gondola Claus;
That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose. Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.
That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
<main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund
\(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Bob and List Members,
I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: Blockedhttps://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728 This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info
Jeffrey White
Mont, Is any of that infrastructure still intact? My son is an
assistant professor of military science at Ball State for Army
ROTC and it might be a good field trip next time we go up to
visit. I hope it's not all gone like most of the railroad infrastructure
in Centralia, IL which is my modeling interest. Jeff White Alma, IL
On 5/26/2020 7:04 AM, Mont Switzer
wrote:
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Group;
On the subject of cool gons, has anyone built one of these?
Thanks!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Claus;
That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose. Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.
That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Bob and List Members,
I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Claus;
That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose. Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.
That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi List Members,
Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Bob and List Members,
I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: Blockedhttps://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/memory/id/71933/rec/2728 This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification
Just FYI - the Zoom application allows gatherings of up to 300 people. This works quite well for lectures and presentations - ONE person broadcasting to many people. One way to have two-way communication in such cases is to have a side-channel such as email or text messages. Obviously you can't have 300 people all talking at once! One person talks and 299 are muted.
On 5/25/2020 2:38 PM, Ted Culotta wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question
The DA freight car ladders - very fine parts - are also extremely prone to breakage. I never knew it was just crummy (crumbly?) plastic. But since the problem never seems to happen with Kadee ladders, I now see the wisdom of this explanation.
On 5/25/2020 2:01 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
Tony Thompson wrote; --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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More C&O MW Cars
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, I have attached another clutch of C&O maintenance-of-way cars to share, along with what I think is their original class information from Carl Shaver's FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937. All these cars were photographed by myself around 1985-86. 910102 appears to be another of the Hocking Valley 82000-83999 series. These were built by Illinois Car and Manufacturing Co. or Pullman in 1924-25, and came to the C&O by merger in 1930. Some 608 cars from Illinois Car , and 136 from Pullman were rebuilt with steel sides and single 6' doors in 1941, becoming 12392-12999 and 13000-13135 respectively. This one was found in Charlottesville. X-1299 is also from Hocking Valley 82000-83999. In 1941 169 Illinois cars received steel sides and 10' double steel doors to became 12000-12168. Another 271 Pullman cars received the same upgrades in 1942, becoming 13558-13828. Note that both series retained the rather odd small door on the right as seen on the original wood-sided cars. I think this car was 13728 before conversion to MW service. It was photographed at Gordonsville while awaiting scrapping. X-1218 came from series 9500-9999, built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1930. They had only an 8' 7 1/2" IH. They builder's photo in Shaver's book showed they were not lettered as automobile cars, though end doors clearly mark them as intended for that service. They were quickly made obsolete by larger autos and Evans racks. Shaver notes many were converted to MW service, where their end doors were greatly appreciated for handling service equipment. The attached photo was also from Gordonsville. A few months back I posted a photo of one of these in revenue service in a Nelson & Albemarle train behind their new 44-ton diesel in 1951. 910217 was from series 84230-84729, or 84730-86499, from which the first group were renumbered when they received 6' steel doors in 1935. The bulk of the second group also received steel doors by 1937, though their openings were only 5' 6" and they kept their previous numbers. This is the only 37' C&O MW car I ever found. It was photographed by itself on a stub spur at Stapleton, Virginia (not far from Gladstone) in 1986. At least I think this was Stapleton. The Stapleton depot was across the road, though not on its original foundations and perched on a small hill. This depot was later moved to Lynchburg's Old City Cemetery, where it is lovingly preserved as a museum. Perhaps this car is also hiding somewhere awaiting preservation. I sure hope so. As a final note, all the cars in both classes were retired by 1952, or downgraded to MW service, probably because they still had K-brakes. I should have more interesting C&O MW cars for you next week, including former troop sleepers. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification
Thanks Hunter, what a great and imaginative idea and I really appreciate this being set up. Fenton
Hi guys. We're thrilled and surprised that there has been so much interest in this even that we sold out in 8 hours. We're going to look into creating more capacity so that we can have more people attend the event. We'll be back in touch with news about that soon. --
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Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification
Hunter Hughson
Hi guys. We're thrilled and surprised that there has been so much interest in this even that we sold out in 8 hours. We're going to look into creating more capacity so that we can have more people attend the event. We'll be back in touch with news about that soon.
Please recognize that these are extraordinary times. It's with an abundance of respect for the members of this group and for the clinicians that I'm going to offer some perspective. Most of us have purchased return airfare and hotel accommodations, paid the registration at an RPM, and taken time off work to see these guys present. In this instance, these same clinicians are streaming their presentation onto the computer in your home for free. Each clinician will have their own position on whether or not they want to give you a copy of their clinic after the event, but I don't have it in me to go back to them and ask for more than they've already agreed to share. I hope that sounds reasonable. Hunter Hughson www.theniagarabranch.wordpress.com www.ontarioinhoscale.wordpress.com
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Re: Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner
Eric Hansmann
The car seems to wear a 1928 weigh date. Note the digits between the center and right men.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:59 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner
Photo: PRR X29 Boxcar 570816 With Banner A circa 1930s photo from the Grand Rapids Public Museum: https://www.grpmcollections.org/Detail/objects/165252 A load of wax paper. This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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