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Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

The decals are freaking awesome!  (One reason to look for more) Most of them are in a semi-circular arc. They are black, with some duplicates in white. Symbols are also included for some. 

General Cable (white as well) + symbol
Okonite Passaic N.J.+ symbol
Kaiser Wire K/W + symbol
Simplex Wire & Cable Co.  Cambridge Mass (white as well)
Crescent Trenton, NJ
Anaconda Wire + symbol
Bronco
Kerite (white as well)
Roebling
Copperweld
Diamond Wire and Cable Co. Sycamore, ILL
Rome Cable Rome G.A. (white as well)
General Electric + symbol
Crapo
Indiana Steel and Wire Co.

Now, the reels made of steel would just be loads going somewhere so they can have cable, wire, whatever.... But I do plan to have catenary and of course that requires maintenance, and in progress on my bench right now is a wire train, wire reel car, which will need wire reels with wire. These though were wooden, and I have several already at hand, and more on the way from Israel. Representing the wire is challenging, but will happen with thin copper (likely 0.005") wrapped over a filler. Unused reels were often wrapped in heavy tan paper so I plan to use newsprint to replicate that. Plus, of course, shredding some and leaving it in the wire reel car.

Regards,
Bruce



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads
 

Well, the point of my inquiry was about the markings (decals) that Bruce has.  Do they cover both steel cable (or as Bruce pointed out, wire rope) AND electrical cables?  IOW, what would he be winding on the reels?


Re: Cable Reel Loads

spsalso
 


Wanted to Buy - SFRHMS Bx-40 resin kit

Brent Greer
 

If anyone has an HO resin kit of an AT&SF class Bx-40 boxcar that they would be willing to part,  please contact me off-list with your asking price.  These were once offered by the Santa Fe society but I just now learned about their existence.

drbrentgreer_AT_yahoo dot.com 

Sincere thanks,
Brent 


Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Evangeline Railway

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Paul,

I haven't turned up anything else on the Evangeline Railway, but I did find these four photos of the Evangeline Gravel Co., which may or may not have been served by said line: https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/search/mods_subject_topic_ms%3A%22Evangeline%5C%20Gravel%5C%20Company%22 . Just to keep the sheriff at bay, one of the photos shows a FREIGHT CAR.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 8:52 AM Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Jim

Thank you I will pass this onto my friend.

Paul Doggett.
> On 29 May 2020, at 13:44, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:
>
> I think Gifford Hill operated a gravel pit in Evangeline parish (that’s a county elsewhere) and this is fairly close to where a north-south Rock Island joined the East-west Gulf Coast Lines (Frisco in B.F. Yoakum days but later Mopac and UP). This has a lot of modeling possibilities.
>
> This gravel operation would make a great connection for a model railroad circa 1950 with a healthy appetite for the F&C T&NO gons, along with MoPac/TP or Rock Island.  I think the F&C MoPac panel side gons now have an interior.  Sunshine Models did the TP 40’ gons but today the best bet is to modify Accurail’s kit.
>
> Jim Ogden
> (Who escaped Louisiana)
>
>
>




Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Doug Pillow
 

 I  know its not perfect but for me post '45 I mixed half Scalecoat II  Boxcar red and Tuscan red Doug Pillow


Re: Cable Reel Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Guy,

Thanks, but I think I still need to clarify. I'm talking about cable reels, made of steel. I have LOTS of support for cable reels made of wood for the WWII era, but I'm curious whether cable reels, made of steel, were in use at that time. I am suspicious that they were not.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Cable Reel Loads
 
 Bruce Smith wrote: 


"I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?"


Previous to 1942 there was no specific diagram covering the loading of wire rope or cable (on reels).  In 1941, "at the request of shippers", the AAR's Loading Committee added Figure 75-B  to the Rules Governing The Loading of Commodities On Open Top Cars, effective March 1, 1942.  It would be appropriate for 1944 and is attached (as a pdf).  

   
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Bruce Smith
 

And to add to Ben's comments, not all X29s are alike.

The first two cars are from the 1928-30 production series, with a Youngstown door, long upper door track and single, low door stop. 

The 3rd car is from the 1924-25 production series with a PRR 3-panel door (not CRECo), a short upper door track and two door stops at 1/3 and 2/3 of the height of the door.

These two types of cars had different side sheet patterns. When converted to AB brakes, both had longitudinal reservoirs.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"
 
Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?" 
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204 

Yes.  The X29 class marking can be clearly seen when you enlarge the photo.


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Allan Smith
 

Pat Wider's article in PR Cyc #3 Vintage Box Car Painting and Lettering  on page 37 Shows a change in Mineral Brown from the 40's to the 50's. Of course these are old paint matches ATSF 40's Floquil #179 ATSF 50's Accu-paint #12. Richard Hendricksons SF painting and lettering guide just states Mineral Brown no shade difference between 1931 and 1968.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 05:16:09 PM PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


otto kroutil wrote:

> Tru-scale markets two shades of Santa Fe Mineral Brown, what they call pre and post ‘45 versions, with the latter somewhat more red. Richard Hendrickson’s SFRy. Painting and Lettering Guide by the old SFMO has no such distinction, although it does note Mineral Brown varied from shop to shop over the years somewhat. Was there a change of specs at the end of WWII, or just incidental variations due to regional supplier and manufacturer differences?

    Richard did not believe the Santa Fe changed its Mineral Brown color in 1945, though he freely acknowledged that shop applications varied.

Tony Thompson
tony@...






Re: Cable Reel Loads

Guy Wilber
 

 Bruce Smith wrote: 


"I have some questions about Cable Reels as loads for steam era freight cars. 

I have a Sunshine PRR G27 gondola kit that was packaged with a kit for 18 steel cable reels. I model 1944. When did steel cable reels come into use?"


Previous to 1942 there was no specific diagram covering the loading of wire rope or cable (on reels).  In 1941, "at the request of shippers", the AAR's Loading Committee added Figure 75-B  to the Rules Governing The Loading of Commodities On Open Top Cars, effective March 1, 1942.  It would be appropriate for 1944 and is attached (as a pdf).  

   
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Seeking Photo Help:

charles slater
 

Yes Bill I have been doing a lot of modeling.
Charlie

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Thanks Charley.  Just what I needed.  Hope all is going well with you in this new world we are living in.  Are you getting any modeling done?

Stay safe :

Bill



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Here you are Bill, this should answer your question.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Photo Help:
 

I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: Unloading Gasoline

Dave Parker
 

Google is our friend.  It took a couple of steps, but that's an LOC FSA pic from WWII that you can find here:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsa/item/2017871450/

The 19 Mb TIFF version has a LOT more detail!

I defer to Steve Hile, but UTLX  19656 seems to be a bit of an oddball.  Steve's 1938 roster indicates these were early 6500-gal X-3 cars, that received new 8000-gal tanks ca. 1930.  Note the tank has four longitudinal  courses, which none of the "conventional" X-3s had.  This might explain the rather curious 1918 build date.

The two cars in front of 19656 both look like UTLX Class X (or XX) cars, 6500 gallons.

Great photo that I had not seen before; thanks for posting Bob.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Ed Hawkins
 



On May 29, 2020, at 7:03 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Ed Hawkins' scan of ATSF paint samples from 1931 and 1945 (PPG) show a 'red shift'

STMFC,
To supplement Nelson’s point for cars built in the first group that follows, the ACF bills of materials for a number of Santa Fe freight cars built from 1931 to 1944 are consistently the same shade of Mineral Brown. The hue is a dark shade of brown with a flat finish. The equivalent Tru-Color paint number is TCP-19. These documents for equipment built by ACF from lot 1200 (1931) to lots in the upper 3600s (1952) are at the Barriger National Railroad Library. Not all ACF bills of materials have paint samples, however, ATSF had more than most railroads.

Lot 1200, 1931 Bx-13
Lot 1607, 1937 Bx-27
Lot 1973, 1940 Ga-50 Hart ballast
Lot 1974, 1940 Ga-49 gondola
Lot 2163, 1941 Ga-56 Hart ballast
Lot 2674, 1944 Ga-59 Hart ballast

The 2nd group of Santa Fe cars having paint samples in the ACF bills of materials are from late 1948 to 1951. These also specify “Mineral Brown but of a red-brown hue and medium gloss finish. 

Lot 3286, Jan. 1949, Ga-67 covered hopper
Lot 3287, Apr. 1949, Ga-68 gondola
Lot 3333, May 1949, Ga-69 gondola
Lot 3334, Aug. 1949, Ga-74 Hart ballast
Lot 3335, Dec. 1948, Ga-73 triple hopper
Lot 3550, July 1951, Ga-80 gondola

The color is a close match to the old Floquil RR74 “Boxcar Red” that was sold in a bottle with square corners & a common color used by numerous railroads in the postwar years. 

For the Santa Fe postwar freight cars the ACF bills of materials typically specified “synthentic” Mineral Brown from Pittsburgh, Sherwin-Williams, and Glidden. While in general the postwar Santa Fe lots were no longer the dark shade of Mineral Brown, there were some variations in the red-brown shades when comparing them side by side.  Tru-Color offers a number of paint numbers that are a reasonably-close match to the postwar ATSF Mineral Brown: TCP-188, 193, 197, 202, 210, 213-214, 216, 217, 220-223. 234-235, 237-245.

I’m curious if there exists any Bowles color drift cards for ATSF Mineral Brown from the steam era. These drift cards have dates & should reflect the change of shade from the prewar years, World War II years, and postwar years. The only ATSF Mineral Brown Bowles color drift card I’ve seen is dated Feb. 1963. For what it’s worth the Feb. 1963 drift card is a lighter red-brown shade than lot 3286 & any of the postwar ATSF paint samples. 

Hope this helps.
Ed Hawkins





Re: Photo: Unloading Gasoline

Bill J.
 

AMAZING!  I can't see the pump to move gas fro car to can.  Siphoning?!

Bill Jolitz


Re: Seeking Photo Help:

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks Charley.  Just what I needed.  Hope all is going well with you in this new world we are living in.  Are you getting any modeling done?

Stay safe :

Bill



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Date: 5/29/20 7:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: Bill Pardie <pardiew001@...>, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Photo Help:

Here you are Bill, this should answer your question.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Photo Help:
 

I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: MC Automobile Boxcar 93033

Dave Parker
 

These are what Al called the NYCL's "1916 design".  Jeff English's summary of the NYCL box cars says 6500 all-steel cars total, all of them with 1-1/2 doors, some with end doors.  Most were originally MCRR cars, and a very quick glance at the Canada Southern roster suggests 2000 were originally NYC.  I didn't tease the data apart, but it looks like a large fraction of the MCRR cars were renumbered to NYC cars, 1942-49.  So, you'd need to look in both ORER listings to find the survivors ca. 1950.  I don't think they were rebuilt much (if at all), but some may have been reclassed as XMs.

These are very cool cars;  I have one of the Westy kits in my stash.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Seeking Photo Help:

charles slater
 

Here you are Bill, this should answer your question.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seeking Photo Help:
 

I am looking for a photo that clearly shows the attachment of the lateral running boards on a Santa Fe Bx36 boxcar.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So ‘tis.  Thanks, Ben.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?" 
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204 

 

Yes.  The X29 class marking can be clearly seen when you enlarge the photo.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?" 
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204 

Yes.  The X29 class marking can be clearly seen when you enlarge the photo.


Ben Hom


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

John Moore
 

I could not find Tru Scale model railroad paint as mentioned in the message string.  I could find Tru Color model railroad paint.  I believe that is the paint being referred to.

John in Albuquerque  -- --
okladivjohn@...


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Looking for confirmation: Are those X29s?

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 54409 "Buy War Bonds"

A 1942 photo from the Temple University Libraries:

https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p15037coll3/id/49797/rec/1204

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Note the four quadrant switch crew chalk marking near the grab iron. This is a typical pattern with a "+" sign with a letter or number code for the location, shift, carman and "ok" in the four quadrants.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

21021 - 21040 of 194669