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Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

William Hirt
 

For those who still would like to use Floquil and Polly Scale, I found that Narrow Gauge Modeling Company sells unopened bottles. I recently purchased several bottles from them and they were in new unopened condition.

Here is the link for Floquil:

http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/floquil-paint/

Here is the link for Polly Scale:

http://www.narrowgaugemodeling.com/polly-scale-paint/

Bill Hirt

On 5/30/2020 11:23 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:

Brian,

The link to the MRH Guide is https://www.testors.com/~/media/DigitalEncyclopedia/Documents/Testors/ebook/MRH-Acrylic-painting-guide-post-Floquil-Portrait.ashx

My original post was 
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/161417
but the photos do not appear to be attached so I will add new ones here. My recent blog is linked in my signature. There are new colors added and you can see it is nice to have a sample of discontinued products on a card nearby to compare to and decide what matches. As a good researcher my aim is to provide information in the best way possible, explicitly point out the limitations of the information (photographed with 5000k bulbs), and let you decide. I will offer conclusions but ultimately you decide what works.  

For example, to me Vallejo Red Leather is similar and maybe a little light to match PollyScale Zinc Chromate Primer, which I have used on several post war B&O boxcars. I will do some experimenting to see what I think might work. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Drat.  Should be ACF Type 27 not 29.  Sorry.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 9:32 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

Garth is correct, I did overlook a couple of line items, which I will add below in Red.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 4:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

Steve, 

 

Nice list, but you forgot that UTLX bought 500 welded ACF 10K cars in 1951, their series 39000-39499. Richard Hendrickson identified the often-lamented Red Caboose model as a suitable representation of these cars.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:01 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

I suspect that I have done this exercise a time or two before.  There is much more detail in the UTLX book.  Personally, I am drawn to model 1952, so it is good to have both the UTLX record and the 1955 Tank Car Tariff to make comparisons.

 

In round numbers in 1952, UTLX rostered about 41,000 tank cars.  The listings below account for about 38,000 of those and don’t include very small, very large or multi-compartment cars.

12,000 gallon Class X-3                    620 

12,000 gallon Class X-3W                500

10,000 gallon Class X-3                   10,561

10,000 gallon Class X-3W                500

8000 gallon Class X-3                       1923

6500 gallon Class X-3                       3838

10,000 gallon Class X                          972

8000 gallon Class X                           3156

6,500 gallon Class X                            605

10,000 gallon Class X-4                     493

11,000 gallon Class X-5-300           5302

11,000 gallon Class X-5-400             391                       Total UTLX design cars   28,861 cars

10,000 gallon Class Z                        3431

8000 gallon Class Z                           6761

11,000 gallon Class Z-5-300             382                       Total non-UTLX design cars          10,574 cars          Total      39485 cars

 

The only HO models of the UTLX design cars were/are the resin kits from Sunshine Models and, more recently, from Resin Car Works.  The Red Caboose 10,000 gallon welded tank car is quite close to the UTLX X-3W design.

 

UTLX purchased, new, at least 1000 of the 8000 gallon GATC designed cars (the Tangent car) and certainly acquired others of these through second hand purchases in the 1930’s.  They also purchased, new, some from Standard Tank Car Company, both 8000 and 10,000 gallon cars.  (Southern Car and Foundry underframe, but need horizontally riveted tanks.)

 

Second hand 8000 and 10,000 gallon ACF tank cars (the P2k Type 21 models) were also added to the fleet during the 1930’s.  There were almost no ACF Type 27 tank cars (the Intermountain cars) among the second hand purchases by UTLX.

 

Mostly in the rush to expand the roster of high pressure tank cars following WWII, UTLX also purchased ACF designed Z-5-300’s, like the Kadee car.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Garth is correct, I did overlook a couple of line items, which I will add below in Red.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 4:55 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

Steve, 

 

Nice list, but you forgot that UTLX bought 500 welded ACF 10K cars in 1951, their series 39000-39499. Richard Hendrickson identified the often-lamented Red Caboose model as a suitable representation of these cars.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:01 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

I suspect that I have done this exercise a time or two before.  There is much more detail in the UTLX book.  Personally, I am drawn to model 1952, so it is good to have both the UTLX record and the 1955 Tank Car Tariff to make comparisons.

 

In round numbers in 1952, UTLX rostered about 41,000 tank cars.  The listings below account for about 38,000 of those and don’t include very small, very large or multi-compartment cars.

12,000 gallon Class X-3                    620 

12,000 gallon Class X-3W                500

10,000 gallon Class X-3                   10,561

10,000 gallon Class X-3W                500

8000 gallon Class X-3                       1923

6500 gallon Class X-3                       3838

10,000 gallon Class X                          972

8000 gallon Class X                           3156

6,500 gallon Class X                            605

10,000 gallon Class X-4                     493

11,000 gallon Class X-5-300           5302

11,000 gallon Class X-5-400             391                       Total UTLX design cars   28,861 cars

10,000 gallon Class Z                        3431

8000 gallon Class Z                           6761

11,000 gallon Class Z-5-300             382                       Total non-UTLX design cars          10,574 cars          Total      39485 cars

 

The only HO models of the UTLX design cars were/are the resin kits from Sunshine Models and, more recently, from Resin Car Works.  The Red Caboose 10,000 gallon welded tank car is quite close to the UTLX X-3W design.

 

UTLX purchased, new, at least 1000 of the 8000 gallon GATC designed cars (the Tangent car) and certainly acquired others of these through second hand purchases in the 1930’s.  They also purchased, new, some from Standard Tank Car Company, both 8000 and 10,000 gallon cars.  (Southern Car and Foundry underframe, but need horizontally riveted tanks.)

 

Second hand 8000 and 10,000 gallon ACF tank cars (the P2k Type 21 models) were also added to the fleet during the 1930’s.  There were almost no ACF Type 29 tank cars (the Intermountain cars) among the second hand purchases by UTLX.

 

Mostly in the rush to expand the roster of high pressure tank cars following WWII, UTLX also purchased ACF designed Z-5-300’s, like the Kadee car.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: K4 Decals

James Brewer
 

K4 is and Ebay Store...here is the link  https://www.ebay.com/str/k4supplycompany?rt=nc&_oac=1

Lots of decals.

Jim Brewer

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:53 AM Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...> wrote:
Hi Guys
            Yes I've used my first set of K4 decals. I found them to be very good. They are just as thin as Microscale and they went on easily for me. They can be a little tricky since they are so thin. I didn't have to spray any decal enhancer on them. I just applied them right off the sheet. Here is some photos of a car I finished with K4 decals.

Good Day
Dave

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:14 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
John I probably did.  Thanks

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 5:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Fenton,

So... opaque is good... perhaps you mean transparent? 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 2:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
I've bought them but not used them yet.  When I asked the same question the answers I received was that the white is a bit opaque.
Fenton

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:13 PM John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with decals by K4 Decals ?

https://k4decals.com/

John Riddell



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250 Frye Rd
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910-420-8106
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Opaque

O Fenton Wells
 

Sometimes my brain gets that way
Fenton

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Re: K4 Decals

Dave Boss
 

Hi Guys
            Yes I've used my first set of K4 decals. I found them to be very good. They are just as thin as Microscale and they went on easily for me. They can be a little tricky since they are so thin. I didn't have to spray any decal enhancer on them. I just applied them right off the sheet. Here is some photos of a car I finished with K4 decals.

Good Day
Dave

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 7:14 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
John I probably did.  Thanks

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 5:26 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Fenton,

So... opaque is good... perhaps you mean transparent? 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 2:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K4 Decals
 
I've bought them but not used them yet.  When I asked the same question the answers I received was that the white is a bit opaque.
Fenton

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:13 PM John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with decals by K4 Decals ?

https://k4decals.com/

John Riddell



--
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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: K4 Decals

William Canelos
 

The white decals for the San Luis Central Reefers worked just fine on a black car end. 

Bill


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Is the disparity between UTLX and GATC tank cars a regional thing? Frankly I can
remember sighting very few GATC cars north of the Boston & Maine's Fitchburg 
line in New England.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Steve, 

Nice list, but you forgot that UTLX bought 500 welded ACF 10K cars in 1951, their series 39000-39499. Richard Hendrickson identified the often-lamented Red Caboose model as a suitable representation of these cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:01 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

I suspect that I have done this exercise a time or two before.  There is much more detail in the UTLX book.  Personally, I am drawn to model 1952, so it is good to have both the UTLX record and the 1955 Tank Car Tariff to make comparisons.

 

In round numbers in 1952, UTLX rostered about 41,000 tank cars.  The listings below account for about 38,000 of those and don’t include very small, very large or multi-compartment cars.

 

10,000 gallon Class X-3                   10,561

8000 gallon Class X-3                       1923

6500 gallon Class X-3                       3838

10,000 gallon Class X                          972

8000 gallon Class X                           3156

6,500 gallon Class X                            605

10,000 gallon Class X-4                     493

11,000 gallon Class X-5-300           5302

11,000 gallon Class X-5-400             391                       Total UTLX design cars   27,241 cars

10,000 gallon Class Z                        3431

8000 gallon Class Z                           6761

11,000 gallon Class Z-5-300             382                       Total non-UTLX design cars          10,574 cars          Total      37,815 cars

 

The only HO models of the UTLX design cars were/are the resin kits from Sunshine Models and, more recently, from Resin Car Works.

 

UTLX purchased, new, at least 1000 of the 8000 gallon GATC designed cars (the Tangent car) and certainly acquired others of these through second hand purchases in the 1930’s.  They also purchased, new, some from Standard Tank Car Company, both 8000 and 10,000 gallon cars.  (Southern Car and Foundry underframe, but need horizontally riveted tanks.)

 

Second hand 8000 and 10,000 gallon ACF tank cars (the P2k models) were also added to the fleet during the 1930’s

 

Mostly in the rush to expand the roster of high pressure tank cars following WWII, UTLX also purchased ACF designed Z-5-300’s, like the Kadee car.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: What is This Tank Body?

Fred Jansz
 

Here's a more detailed pic of the car/tank in question
Fred Jansz


Re: Evangeline Railway

Paul Doggett
 

Bruce

Thank you, but my friend was looking for it in Louisiana it was a very short short line he had a photo which said Louisiana but as he has lived in Louisiana for 70 years he thought the photo was wrong that’s why I asked the question. It was in Louisiana as well as Canada.

Many thanks Paul Doggett.

On 30 May 2020, at 22:17, Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@figzu.com> wrote:

Paul Doggett via groups.io wrote:

Where did the Evangeline Railway run to and from?
It ran from Yarmouth to Halifax, Nova Scotia, 1956-1990.

More at: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangeline_(train)>

Cheers,
/ Bruce /



Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Brian,

The link to the MRH Guide is https://www.testors.com/~/media/DigitalEncyclopedia/Documents/Testors/ebook/MRH-Acrylic-painting-guide-post-Floquil-Portrait.ashx

My original post was 
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/message/161417
but the photos do not appear to be attached so I will add new ones here. My recent blog is linked in my signature. There are new colors added and you can see it is nice to have a sample of discontinued products on a card nearby to compare to and decide what matches. As a good researcher my aim is to provide information in the best way possible, explicitly point out the limitations of the information (photographed with 5000k bulbs), and let you decide. I will offer conclusions but ultimately you decide what works.  

For example, to me Vallejo Red Leather is similar and maybe a little light to match PollyScale Zinc Chromate Primer, which I have used on several post war B&O boxcars. I will do some experimenting to see what I think might work. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Jim,

Yes, the MRH guide (link below) is a great start. I am hoping to add to it as it has limited specifics that so many on this list might want to know. For example PRR FCC would be important for many freight car modelers in our era. 

https://www.testors.com/~/media/DigitalEncyclopedia/Documents/Testors/ebook/MRH-Acrylic-painting-guide-post-Floquil-Portrait.ashx

I will contact you off list to see if you would be willing to supply some 2"x2" paint sample of your colors and I will reciprocate.  My thought is exchange 2"x2" samples on white styrene so we don't have to buy every color. Then as we develop formulas that match existing favorite colors we can share them broadly. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Brian Carlson
 

I was not.  I tried searching for it and I found discussion in forums but no actual chart. Can someone post a link.  

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 30, 2020, at 11:31 PM, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:


I assume you're aware of MRHs color matching table. I don't have a good eye for color and I use exclusively Vallejo. I use MRHs table when people say they used other brands. Not every color is matched but it's a good start. I applaud your effort to extend the Vallejo usage.

    JimH


Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Jim Hayes
 

I assume you're aware of MRHs color matching table. I don't have a good eye for color and I use exclusively Vallejo. I use MRHs table when people say they used other brands. Not every color is matched but it's a good start. I applaud your effort to extend the Vallejo usage.

    JimH


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown

Nelson Moyer
 

Intermountain isn't the only miscreant. I had the same problem with a purple RI E6 from BLI. Not even close to RI maroon. Then there are the six shades of CB&Q gray from Walthers (three different shades on GP-7s and SD-7s), BLI (two different shades on NW-2 and SW-9), and Bowser (actually the closest to the Q color card). I ended up masking and repainting the grays. I haven’t repainted the purple on the E6, but it's begging me to do so.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown

After receiving a purple Chateau Martin wine car, instead of the magenta they actually used, I want to lay eyes on anything coming from Intermountain. I will not pre-order anything except undecorated kits.


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of ottokroutil via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown

Yes, clearly there were variations over time and place. My original question was in part a reaction to the recent release by Intermountain of Bx-37’s in N scale. Nicely done models, but...
Well, see pics below. Both are IM cars. If I’m the company rep asked to use my judgment, what do I do?
Regards, Otto


Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

A while back I posted some photos of my Vallejo paint samples. I have continued to add more colors to my palette. My goal is to be able to use these paints on my B&O freight cars and of course on all of my other models.  In my last blog post I mentioned using them as part of total system that I am committing to for future projects. Last week I was successful at matching the paint (40% German Red Brown and 60% Basic Brown) on a stock Atlas P&WV boxcar (photo attached, it has been weathered) after I changed the roof walk (Kadee and I see one end needs a touch more canopy glue) and brake wheel to more closely match the prototype. After I receive the Speedwitch mini-kit I will update it more. 
 

I know some of you are using them and most are not. Fair enough. I would like to develop this project a little further. If anyone is interested in working on it please contact me directly. My hope is to collect formulas or 2”x2” paint samples of other brands and favorite model paint colors and match them with Vallejo colors. That way I can share photos of the formulas versus traditional railroad model paints online and you can decide for yourself if they are close to your favorite color. 

If I am going to do it, I should share it with everyone, as I appreciate all the sharing that this group does regularly. I owe something back.

Who knows the future after recent events, but I was betting on Vallejo for long term access to model paints as they are international and have deep reach into multiple hobby markets including military modelers and gamers. My endorsement may mean they will go under soon (jk).

Thank you for your consideration  

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: What is This Tank Body?

lrkdbn
 

I think it might be an old SP O-50-4 fuel oil car from about 1905,those were large (12,000 gal) and both the small dome and the "fore and aft" elbow safety valves would fit. I also think it is a radial course tank
rather than insulated.-can't see any lip around the end.
As for modeling,I think I'd look at Tony Thompson's SP freight cars book vol.5,p.247 for starters.
I think these cars were written up in the trade literature when they were built also.
Larry King


Re: K4 Decals

Brad Andonian
 

I have purchased many sets in O and remain pleased.    I have also found the owner very receptive to ideas for new sets.   I encourage you to support him and offer suggestions.

Brad Andonian 


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I suspect that I have done this exercise a time or two before.  There is much more detail in the UTLX book.  Personally, I am drawn to model 1952, so it is good to have both the UTLX record and the 1955 Tank Car Tariff to make comparisons.

 

In round numbers in 1952, UTLX rostered about 41,000 tank cars.  The listings below account for about 38,000 of those and don’t include very small, very large or multi-compartment cars.

 

10,000 gallon Class X-3                   10,561

8000 gallon Class X-3                       1923

6500 gallon Class X-3                       3838

10,000 gallon Class X                          972

8000 gallon Class X                           3156

6,500 gallon Class X                            605

10,000 gallon Class X-4                     493

11,000 gallon Class X-5-300           5302

11,000 gallon Class X-5-400             391                       Total UTLX design cars   27,241 cars

10,000 gallon Class Z                        3431

8000 gallon Class Z                           6761

11,000 gallon Class Z-5-300             382                       Total non-UTLX design cars          10,574 cars          Total      37,815 cars

 

The only HO models of the UTLX design cars were/are the resin kits from Sunshine Models and, more recently, from Resin Car Works.

 

UTLX purchased, new, at least 1000 of the 8000 gallon GATC designed cars (the Tangent car) and certainly acquired others of these through second hand purchases in the 1930’s.  They also purchased, new, some from Standard Tank Car Company, both 8000 and 10,000 gallon cars.  (Southern Car and Foundry underframe, but need horizontally riveted tanks.)

 

Second hand 8000 and 10,000 gallon ACF tank cars (the P2k models) were also added to the fleet during the 1930’s

 

Mostly in the rush to expand the roster of high pressure tank cars following WWII, UTLX also purchased ACF designed Z-5-300’s, like the Kadee car.

 

Steve Hile

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

 

From all of Elden's research here in the archives, wouldn't GATX be more common than UTLX on these General American cars? I have more UTLX than I should, thanks to the P2K offerings, and not enough GATX which was the largest fleet circa my 1953. I have GATX decals coming from Black Cat.
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

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