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Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

That facility still stands, though currently unused (AFAIK). Many in the neighborhood see it as a safety issue and eyesore, but I’m not sure how you remove a slip form elevator. 

The photo is wonderful, showing cars in superb condition, with grain doors at the ready (or recently removed). 

Good to see you are making good use of our library’s wonderful image collection, Bob.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/p16802coll7/id/18975/rec/6315T

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Jon,
 
I suspect the stack is on a tug or some other small vessel, most probably a tug as it appears to be very close aboard.  Note that all the standing and running rigging on both sides of the schooner is visible with the smoke from that stack on the far side of the rigging.  The stack is also too far forward for propulsion engines and too large for a galley stack.
 
Incidentally, lumber was a very common cargo for such vessels.  What isn’t absolutely clear to me is whether the cargo is loaded from or to the rail cars, although my guess is from.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Jon Miller
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:05 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat
 
On 6/3/2020 9:13 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling!

    Just wondering, is that stack (between 1st and 2nd mast) on the schooner or somewhere else?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Remeber reefers are good tight cars, no leaks. Many boxcars could leak around the doors and through the roof. A DRY reefer was a good tight car for bagged flour. And available in none peak produce times. The doors on the sides are open for ventialtion for the loaders working in the car.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 08:48:59 PM CDT, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Pure speculation on my part, but boxcar shortages were common in the PNW and maybe this reflects that. Reefers could carry bagged flour, even though they weren’t ideal.


On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Once again, a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer along with SP&S boxcars at a flour mill. I can’t say I know what the reefers are doing there!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

David Soderblom
 

I’d say Crown Flour is in an industrial area and that track has empties from several industries we can’t see.  No profund answer is required.




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA






Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly they are being cleaned out before being spotted. It seems odd that the doors on the opposite side of the mill are open.

 

Also note the lack of safety appliance hardware on these freight cars. It’s great to see such a clean early image.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:46 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

 

Hi List Members,

 

Once again, a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer along with SP&S boxcars at a flour mill. I can’t say I know what the reefers are doing there!

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Hard to tell from just this photo, but some of later sailing ships had some minimal auxiliary power. Also such ships and barges (unpowered), especially steel-hulled ones, often had a steam boiler for running deck (cargo) winches and such. 

Dan MItchell
==========

On Jun 4, 2020, at 1:05 AM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:

On 6/3/2020 9:13 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling!

    Just wondering, is that stack (between 1st and 2nd mast) on the schooner or somewhere else?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks

Brent Greer
 

I am very interested in the SP boxcar with the end doors (I have a thing for end-door boxcars it seems...)  Can someone point me to some detailed info about these cars (for model building purposes)?

Sincere thanks,
Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks
 

In the photo notice S.P. Boxcar 61290 is to the left and appears to have an end door.

PFE 9092 is one of 3,021 Class R-30-5 produce reefers built 1909-1911 by Pullman. Seen in the photo are the "Bohn Standard Ventilator" hatch covers.

There is good coverage with photos of this and related cars in the PFE book.

From a modeling standpoint, notice the boot scuff marks along the ladder rungs.

I attribute the lack of visible lettering to the choice of film used for this photo. Perhaps someone can shed more light on this.

The fact that this produce car is at a meat packer's branch house probably is just a coincidence, although meat packers were known to use PFE cars when there was a shortage of their own cars.. Cudahy had its own reefers and generally produce reefers were not compatible with meat service. 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Paint Booth

Robert J Miller CFA
 

I bought one from North Coast Hobbies (not North Coast Engineering)  in McKees Rocks, PA nearly 20 years ago and it still works just fine. It is ducted to the outside with metal ductwork – not dryer ducting.

 

The unit is well built. The only repair I’ve had to make was to replace the tube in the light. I went from fluorescent to LED and my eyes really appreciate it.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Looking to purchase a new painting booth.  Any recommendations would be helpful.

Thanks,

Dan


Re: reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    But a PFE meat reefer with Bohn ventilators, Doug???  For what purpose on a meat reefer?
Then, too, not the lack of end ladders but the brake platform clearly lined up with a rung of the
side ladder. I'm surprised this car doesn't have a slotted coupler for use of a link & pin as well!

My best, Don Valentine


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/3/2020 9:13 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling!

    Just wondering, is that stack (between 1st and 2nd mast) on the schooner or somewhere else?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Paint Booth

Andy Carlson
 

The gentleman who offered the NCE paint booth toyed years ago to have another batch made up, but he was deeply involved working in California at the time and upon his return to PA. he made a life changing move to Thailand, where he is happily enjoying Asian food and photography. He has zero interest in making them available again. Oh well...-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 


True.  The gent who owned my LHS was also a model builder and had one in his shop/workshop.  It was very nice indeed and I’ve looking for one since NCE ceased selling them.  So good hunting, and if anyone does find one in need of a home, I’m still very interested,
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
 
 
On June 3, 2020 at 3:53 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

SPARKLESS....effing autocorrect!
 
Hi: many years ago NCE made a very nice large paint booth to be vented outside. Maybe you could find a used one. They also made a sand blaster booth, but I missed that. Marty Cooper 

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Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

 

I was going to say schooner but wasn’t positive. Should have gone with my (ample) gut feeling!

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:08 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:


Hi Brian,
 
In sailor’s parlance, that would be a “schooner” rather than a “ship.”  Interesting just the same.  But, I digress . . .
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 
From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat
 

Indeed! A 6 masted ship!

 

 

Thanks!
--

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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 11:07 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

 

Hello Claus,

 

many thanks for the link - but I have to say that this time the ship is much more interesting than the freight cars...!

 

Regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juni 2020 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
An: "STMFC" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Hi List Members,

 

Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Brian,
 
In sailor’s parlance, that would be a “schooner” rather than a “ship.”  Interesting just the same.  But, I digress . . .
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat
 

Indeed! A 6 masted ship!

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 11:07 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

 

Hello Claus,

 

many thanks for the link - but I have to say that this time the ship is much more interesting than the freight cars...!

 

Regards

 

Johannes

Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juni 2020 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...>
An: "STMFC" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Hi List Members,

 

Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Paint Booth

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Martin,
 
True.  The gent who owned my LHS was also a model builder and had one in his shop/workshop.  It was very nice indeed and I’ve looking for one since NCE ceased selling them.  So good hunting, and if anyone does find one in need of a home, I’m still very interested,
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: gastro42000
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 4:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io ; Bruce Smith
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
 
 
On June 3, 2020 at 3:53 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

SPARKLESS....effing autocorrect!
 
Hi: many years ago NCE made a very nice large paint booth to be vented outside. Maybe you could find a used one. They also made a sand blaster booth, but I missed that. Marty Cooper 

From: Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
We've been over this before, but "sparkles" fans are NOT needed for a paint booth. The concentration of flammable agent is never high enough. Just get the highest capacity bathroom or kitchen vent fans you can find.
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
I built my own probably 30 years ago using 1/8" hardboard for the bottom, sides and back, with triangular cross section molding where the panels joined.  I added a vertical slot at the back for a standard size furnace filter, and made the top from Lexan clear sheet to allow light in.  The inside is painted white, which I protect with clear food wrap.  I used two surplus computer cooling fans with inductive motors (no sparking) at the back to pull the air out and through the filter.  Probably a squirrel cage fan would be more effective.  The waste air was ducted out a window using dryer vent components.  The face opening is probably 28"w by 16" high.

Todd Sullivan

 


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Richard Townsend
 

Pure speculation on my part, but boxcar shortages were common in the PNW and maybe this reflects that. Reefers could carry bagged flour, even though they weren’t ideal.


On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
Once again, a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer along with SP&S boxcars at a flour mill. I can’t say I know what the reefers are doing there!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Tichy USRA boxcar underframes

Brian Carlson
 

Have you been sampling beverages again 🤣

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


Ben,

Oops, Got it! I'll be deleting my original comment now 😉


Bruce



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy USRA boxcar underframes
 
Bruce Smith asked:
"Shouldn't a USRA undergrad have a deep fishbelly center sill? The Tichy is straight."

Yes for the DS car, but the SS cars have straight center sills.  They are not the same.


Ben Hom


a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Once again, a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer along with SP&S boxcars at a flour mill. I can’t say I know what the reefers are doing there!
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Tichy USRA boxcar underframes

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

Oops, Got it! I'll be deleting my original comment now 😉


Bruce



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy USRA boxcar underframes
 
Bruce Smith asked:
"Shouldn't a USRA undergrad have a deep fishbelly center sill? The Tichy is straight."

Yes for the DS car, but the SS cars have straight center sills.  They are not the same.


Ben Hom


Re: reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks

Richard Townsend
 

Also it could be used to carry what was called "packing house products" other than swing meat. As Tony suggested, it could carry lard, but there were other PHPs that required refrigeration or insulation. Some packers had reefers designed and owned specifically for this purpose that didn't have meat rails. I would guess that if such a shipper-owned car were not available, any basic reefer would do.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2020 5:03 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks

Another thing to consider--this was not an originating meat packing house, rather it looks to be an end destination wholesaler. I could see the company offering items which are not meat related, such as select produce and other non-meat items being offered to their local clientele of meat shops and grocers.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



   Yes, but two points: first, this photo is years before those cars, and the car, PFE 9092, was just a plain reefer.
    I was once told that a significant traffic category for meat packers was lard, and that might move in regular reefers (serving as insulated box cars).

Tony Thompson




Re: Tichy USRA boxcar underframes

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith asked:
"Shouldn't a USRA undergrad have a deep fishbelly center sill? The Tichy is straight."

Yes for the DS car, but the SS cars have straight center sills.  They are not the same.


Ben Hom

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