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Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

Matt Goodman
 

Definitely cast in place - slip forming is the only process that I know of to cast storage bins of that height. Here’s a view that shows the storage bins in context.


There’s a separate image in the collection (search “Gwinn Milling”) of a man unloading a steam-era boxcar that really impresses (on me) the laboriousness of that job.


I’m not aware of any residential reuse of concrete silos - I’ll have to ask the family architect (dad).  The neighborhood’s main concern is kids exploring the site and taking a tumble (or otherwise being injured). 

Matt

On Jun 4, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

“slip form?”  I don’t think so.  Cast-in-place, certainly, but not slip formed.
 
Certainly rugged enough, is the n’hood not conducive to a residential reuse?
 
Schuyler
 
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That facility still stands, though currently unused (AFAIK). Many in the neighborhood see it as a safety issue and eyesore, but I’m not sure how you remove a slip form elevator. 
 
The photo is wonderful, showing cars in superb condition, with grain doors at the ready (or recently removed). 
 

Good to see you are making good use of our library’s wonderful image collection, Bob.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio
 
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On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/p16802coll7/id/18975/rec/6315T

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Photo: UP Furniture Boxcar 85352

Tony Thompson
 

ken akerboom wrote:

I also like the “end truss rod” (I don’t think it’s a “handrail”), presumably to try to reinforce the end…

    You are right, Ken, it was a short-lived Harriman Lines design feature. A few years later, cars no longer were built that way.

Tony Thompson




Re: Paint Booth

Matt Goodman
 

Nelson raises a point worth considering - how much air is moved.

I have a off the shelf Paasche booth that vents inside the basement. That was fine for short paint sessions, or slightly longer sessions wearing a respirator - neither of which is a good long term solution.

About two years ago, I started researching how much air (in cfm) I’d have to move given the distance and number of turns the exhaust would have to navigate.  I found the following site very useful for those calculations:


I also described my use case and calculations from the above site in a post on the MRH forum, and got some decent help (from one guy in particular). In the research process, I also found a HVAC guy who has air booth plans that is well done (Jim Hayes, you may especially find it useful). All that is in the post here:


This whole CFM topic turned out to be more of a brain-squeezer than I expected!

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio US

On Jun 4, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I’m using flexible duct from the paint booth to a bathroom fan duct (bathroom fan supplements the squirrel cage fan on the paint booth). The flexible run is about 6 ft. and the sheet metal duct is about 6 ft. to the outside wall. I see freight car red powder residue on the outside vent screen. Maybe you not moving enough CFU?
 
Nelson Moyer
 
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After years of using mine, I see little evidence of paint on my outside exhaust. There may be some in the flexible duct, though.
 
 
Thanks!
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Brian Ehni
 
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
 
It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.
 
Schuyler
 
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A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?
Charlie Vlk



Re: Paint Booth

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie, 

I must also paint more, as my filter is FULL of paint!  As for exhausted, or at least very tired paint? It depends on the length of the exhaust. My 6' exhaust has shown no tendency to vent paint that can adhere (most likely, any paint micro-droplets have dried by then)

Regards,
Bruce


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Photo: UP Furniture Boxcar 85352

akerboomk
 

I also like the “end truss rod” (I don’t think it’s a “handrail”), presumably to try to reinforce the end…


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Ken Akerboom


Re: Paint Booth

akerboomk
 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


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Ken Akerboom


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer / Crown Flour Mill

Jim Betz
 

Todd,
  Thanks for both of those.  The second emphatically shows how busy that area
was (long string of box cars, for example) and also shows how effectively the
industries used the river on one side and the rail on the other side.
  That flood was a very big deal for the Portland area - there were some big
changes afterward to the river there -and- upstream and, as far as I know,
there hasn't been another major flood in that area since.
                                                                                              - Jim


Re: Paint Booth

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m using flexible duct from the paint booth to a bathroom fan duct (bathroom fan supplements the squirrel cage fan on the paint booth). The flexible run is about 6 ft. and the sheet metal duct is about 6 ft. to the outside wall. I see freight car red powder residue on the outside vent screen. Maybe you not moving enough CFU?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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After years of using mine, I see little evidence of paint on my outside exhaust. There may be some in the flexible duct, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

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Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Paint Booth

 

After years of using mine, I see little evidence of paint on my outside exhaust. There may be some in the flexible duct, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Paint Booth

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: [bbfcl] CNW: A late use for a early SS box car

Lloyd Keyser
 

There were a small number of the SS cars that were insulated and had plug doors applied. This was done to keep wet Pulp from freezing  between WI paper mills. They were originally painted in the BR and standard white lettering. Later they got the Yellow and Green. These were on line cars.
Lloyd Keyser


Re: Paint Booth

Charlie Vlk
 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Paint Booth

Rick Schoch
 

That's nice, Schuyler. It'd fit nicely on my workbench. And I have a pickup :)

Rick Schoch PRRTHS 8245


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Richard Wilkens
 

What's interesting is that the PFE car and the SP&S cars have no side stirrup step on the left corner of the cars or hand grabs. I thought by this time that was a requirement.

Rich Wilkens


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

tmkprr1954
 

I will point out that the schooner does not have any sails on the booms/gaffs.  It may be that it is being used as a barge (happened a lot in their later years) and the rigging has been retained as cargo handling devices.  Stack could very well be a tugboat alongside, or perhaps boiler for steam winch on the foredeck (left of photo).

Tom Kane
Purcellville, VA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer / Crown Flour Mill

Todd Sullivan
 

Here are two aerial photos from the Vintage Portland website showing the Union Station yards and industries.  One was taken from the southeast during the 1948 flood, and the second was taken in 1954 from the northwest.  You can see both Crown and Albers clearly in the second photo.  In the first, Albers is behind the Broadway Bridge which crosses over the station tracks and Depot Yard, and Crown is further away.  The low buildings between Albers and Crown were part of Portland's Terminal Docks, and one of them served as a paper warehouse, Waterways Terminals, for two paper plants - one up the Willamette in Oregon City and the other in Camas, WA.  The paper was barged from the plants to the warehouse.  By 1960,  Waterways had build a huge warehouse opposite Guild Lake Yard.  NPTCo pulled about 75 loads of paper a day out of it M-F and about 50 loads on Saturday.  It was such a large source of revenue that we alternated switching rights with the SP&S annually.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: SFRD 34786 (Rr-27)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SFRD 34786 (Rr-27)

A 1940 photo by Randall Mills from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df66xd06j

Note the curved line map, which is the original map style.

This car was part of the series 34500-34950. These cars were rebuilt in 1939-40 from Classes Rr-W, -X, -Y, -2, -3 and -4. There were 451 rebuilt cars but without fans.

There were another 49 Rr-27 cars in series 4200-4248 rebuilt in 1940 from Classes Rr-W and -X. These 49 cars received fans in the rebuilding and the four- digit car numbers signify this.

For modeling purposes there were still 118 of the original 451 cars on the live list in 1971 and 11 of the 49 fan cars on the live list that same year.

I would suppose most of these cars received the updated paint schemes beginning in 1947 and 1959 but I have no photographic evidence to confirm this for specific cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Also, a Cincinnati, Hamilton & Detroit box car at the end of the spur, a LONG ways from home.  Very short (i.e., not tall) car.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UP Boxcar 66597

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 66597

A circa 1908 photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df71zx890

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Freight car and short lumber car next to open lumber shed on SP Line in Dallas, OR."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Crown Flour Mills was located more or less opposite Portland Union Station in Portland, OR - a little northwest, actually, as Albers Feed was directly opposite the depot.  In the 1960s, Crown changed to Centennial Mills.  When I worked for the NPTCo there in 1961-62, Crown and Albers Feed Mill were busy industries that got one switch during first trick (7am-3pm) and two switches during second trick (3pm-11pm).  The low structures in front of Crown were the loading docks which were accessed on both sides (street side and mill side), and the street side spur could hold probably 8 40ft cars.  The street side track was also used for inbound loads of wheat.  The cars were emptied with a scoop bucket on a winch, and then the remainder was hand-shoveled out, IIRC.  The wheat fell out of the boxcar door and into grates at pavement level, and then, I suppose, via a conveyor system into the mill.

Todd Sullivan

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