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Re: CNW: Not the most common SS box car

Jeff Eggert
 

CNW 5916 was converted to wet pulp service from CNW 61528 on October 25, 1954.  CNW 61528 shows as being built by CNW at Winona MN, June 23, 1927.  The car was destroyed January 18, 1968.  This from the CNWHS car card for this car.

Jeff Eggert


PFE R-30/40-9 reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works has added a PFE reefer to our kit line. Our latest blog post has the details.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Sheathing on resin kits - was Photo: N&W Boxcars

np328
 

Well Eric,
    I talked with one of these resin makers not too terribly long ago (certainly more recently than 10 years ago) at CCB and this person told me that if you can't see the boards from more than several feet, people don't purchase them.  Admittedly neither this person or their firm was at CCB or Chicagoland this last year so there may have been some incremental progress, however that is what I am talking about.   We seem to be in conflict here with my first hand conversation and your first hand perceptions.      

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN                                                                                         


Re: Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve checked a couple early ORER listings for O&C 88280. I found the car listed in the 1915 ORER. It has a 14-foot, 3-inch height to the running board, a foot taller.

 

BTW, the CH&D car was built in 1915, so the image could not be earlier.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Yes, Eric, it’s distorted but mostly horizontally.  It looks very wide.  But look at the car in relation to the man on the platform.  It’s clearly not as tall a car as the one originally referenced for this picture.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

The CH&D car would become one of the B&O M-23 class by WW1. Height to running board was 13-foot, 3-inches. I suspect the camera lens has affected the car appearance.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Also, a Cincinnati, Hamilton & Detroit box car at the end of the spur, a LONG ways from home.  Very short (i.e., not tall) car.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:36 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Quite correct, thanks Mont.  Good to know that it didn’t suffer a worse fate: Demolition!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 5:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

Schuyler,

 

You are thinking of Quaker Square in Akron, OH.    It was originally turned into a hotel with railroad theme added.  Lots of steam era railroadiana, milling machinery, shipping records and other goodies.  Displays inside and outside.  An interesting place to stay.

 

I believe records on display at the hotel showed boxcars inbound at late as 1973.  It was B&O served.  Snack bar was in PRR passenger cars.

 

However, last I knew it fell upon bad times and was taken over by Akron University.  Last I knew they were using it for student housing..

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io [schuyler.larrabee@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 4:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

There’s a residential reuse of silos – Quaker Oats, somewhere in Ohio.  Slightly funky but I guess it works.

 

But I’m not talking about a “silo,” but rather the large orthogonal part of the building in your first image below.

 

Schuyler

Registered Architect 4600

Massachusetts

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

Definitely cast in place - slip forming is the only process that I know of to cast storage bins of that height. Here’s a view that shows the storage bins in context.

 

 

There’s a separate image in the collection (search “Gwinn Milling”) of a man unloading a steam-era boxcar that really impresses (on me) the laboriousness of that job.

 

 

I’m not aware of any residential reuse of concrete silos - I’ll have to ask the family architect (dad).  The neighborhood’s main concern is kids exploring the site and taking a tumble (or otherwise being injured). 

 

Matt

 

On Jun 4, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

“slip form?”  I don’t think so.  Cast-in-place, certainly, but not slip formed.

 

Certainly rugged enough, is the n’hood not conducive to a residential reuse?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

That facility still stands, though currently unused (AFAIK). Many in the neighborhood see it as a safety issue and eyesore, but I’m not sure how you remove a slip form elevator. 

 

The photo is wonderful, showing cars in superb condition, with grain doors at the ready (or recently removed). 

 

Good to see you are making good use of our library’s wonderful image collection, Bob.

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

Sent from my mobile


On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/p16802coll7/id/18975/rec/6315T

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Doug Paasch
 

I blew the photo up as big as I could on a 24” monitor, in a darkened room, and can just barely make out what appear to be 100 lb sacks of flour stacked inside the PFE reefer.  Looks like the reefer(s) were what they could get in lieu of box cars.  My question is, do they shutter the ventilators off for this kind of shipment?  I wouldn’t think they would want air (with possible moisture from rain) blowing through?  Or would they care about that for sacked flour?

 

Doug Paasch

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:46 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

 

Hi List Members,

 

Once again, a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer along with SP&S boxcars at a flour mill. I can’t say I know what the reefers are doing there!

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Photo: UP Furniture Boxcar 85352

 

This is seen on narrow gauge cars as well... gons as well as boxcars

Gordon Spalty


Re: Sheathing on resin kits - was Photo: N&W Boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

On June 4, 2020 at 4:33 PM np328 Jim Dick wrote:

     May we take the next step and have resin car suppliers please bring us single sheathed and double sheathed cars like this that do not look like they are running off their last years.
==================

Jim,

After reading your message I checked the model releases from several resin manufacturers; F&C, Resin Car Works, Speedwitch Media, Yarmouth Model Works, and even the new Southbound Modelworks & Decal company. I reviewed all their recent wood-sheathed house car kits and found the castings to represent pretty tight boards. I don't see overly exaggerated wood sheathing on kits released in the last decade. I gotta scratch my head here. Only one question comes to my mind.

What are you talking about? 

Please point out what I am missing that has bothered you about the wood sheathing on recent HO scale resin freight car kits.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Paint Booth

Nelson Moyer
 

Which is exactly what I use to vent my paint booth. The article on my paint booth in a shower was published in the NMRA magazine April 2011.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Home depot has some bathroom exhaust fans that really move air and come with the can on the back and round exhaust hose.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

This is the fan I’m using (as recommended by the MR article). https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-OEM-Blower-4C445. Max 495cfm. The MR article cites 525cfm. They got 150fpm airflow thru their 5” duct; I used 6” to more closely match the area of the fan outlet.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 1:08 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

I’m using flexible duct from the paint booth to a bathroom fan duct (bathroom fan supplements the squirrel cage fan on the paint booth). The flexible run is about 6 ft. and the sheet metal duct is about 6 ft. to the outside wall. I see freight car red powder residue on the outside vent screen. Maybe you not moving enough CFU?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

After years of using mine, I see little evidence of paint on my outside exhaust. There may be some in the flexible duct, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

np328
 

     And again we see a photo of wood sided cars whose boards are tight, not warped. Single sheathed yes, however even many double sheathed cars can be found elsewhere that look this good in photos. Uploading the larger resolution photo available does discern how well maintained the boards of the 2 wood side cars are. Yes there might be cars equally in disrepair however they would not be called into this grain service and we modelers have plenty of those on the market already.
   I applaud my friend Aaron who made the master for the warped panel steel sided cars that Elgin Car Shops pioneered.  May we take the next step and have resin car suppliers please bring us single sheathed and double sheathed cars like this that do not look like they are running off their last years.       Jim Dick - St. Paul                                                                    


Re: Paint Booth

Nelson Moyer
 

I’ve cut down cardboard boxes into paint shields (no fan) and painted with rattle cans in the garage with the door open while wearing a respirator to keep overspray from messing up the paint booth. The solvent vapors dissipate quickly is there’s a light breeze, so my wife doesn’t notice I’ve been painting unless I close the garage door too soon. Most rattle can model paints dry quickly. About the only rattle cans I use are Tamiya Fine Light Gray Primer or an occasional can of Krylon flat aluminum.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Paint Booth

Steve SANDIFER
 

Home depot has some bathroom exhaust fans that really move air and come with the can on the back and round exhaust hose.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

This is the fan I’m using (as recommended by the MR article). https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-OEM-Blower-4C445. Max 495cfm. The MR article cites 525cfm. They got 150fpm airflow thru their 5” duct; I used 6” to more closely match the area of the fan outlet.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 1:08 PM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

I’m using flexible duct from the paint booth to a bathroom fan duct (bathroom fan supplements the squirrel cage fan on the paint booth). The flexible run is about 6 ft. and the sheet metal duct is about 6 ft. to the outside wall. I see freight car red powder residue on the outside vent screen. Maybe you not moving enough CFU?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

After years of using mine, I see little evidence of paint on my outside exhaust. There may be some in the flexible duct, though.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of "Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 12:40 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:36 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Paint Booth

Nelson Moyer
 

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is make-up air, i.e. air supply to replace the air you’re blowing out through the booth. If you’re drawing a negative pressure in the room, you’re reducing the efficiency of the fan’s rating, and you’re not blowing as much air as you might think, especially if you have a tight house. Cracking a window will provide make-up air. That comes from experience during a career in microbiology laboratories using biological safety cabinets from Class 1 to Class 3. HVAC systems in negative pressure labs are designed and balanced to function with and without BSCs operating, but your house doesn’t have those engineering controls.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Nelson raises a point worth considering - how much air is moved.

 

I have a off the shelf Paasche booth that vents inside the basement. That was fine for short paint sessions, or slightly longer sessions wearing a respirator - neither of which is a good long term solution.

 

About two years ago, I started researching how much air (in cfm) I’d have to move given the distance and number of turns the exhaust would have to navigate.  I found the following site very useful for those calculations:

 

 

I also described my use case and calculations from the above site in a post on the MRH forum, and got some decent help (from one guy in particular). In the research process, I also found a HVAC guy who has air booth plans that is well done (Jim Hayes, you may especially find it useful). All that is in the post here:

 

 

This whole CFM topic turned out to be more of a brain-squeezer than I expected!

 

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio US


Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

Mont Switzer
 

Schuyler,

 

You are thinking of Quaker Square in Akron, OH.    It was originally turned into a hotel with railroad theme added.  Lots of steam era railroadiana, milling machinery, shipping records and other goodies.  Displays inside and outside.  An interesting place to stay.

 

I believe records on display at the hotel showed boxcars inbound at late as 1973.  It was B&O served.  Snack bar was in PRR passenger cars.

 

However, last I knew it fell upon bad times and was taken over by Akron University.  Last I knew they were using it for student housing..

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io [schuyler.larrabee@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 4:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

There’s a residential reuse of silos – Quaker Oats, somewhere in Ohio.  Slightly funky but I guess it works.

 

But I’m not talking about a “silo,” but rather the large orthogonal part of the building in your first image below.

 

Schuyler

Registered Architect 4600

Massachusetts

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

Definitely cast in place - slip forming is the only process that I know of to cast storage bins of that height. Here’s a view that shows the storage bins in context.

 

 

There’s a separate image in the collection (search “Gwinn Milling”) of a man unloading a steam-era boxcar that really impresses (on me) the laboriousness of that job.

 

 

I’m not aware of any residential reuse of concrete silos - I’ll have to ask the family architect (dad).  The neighborhood’s main concern is kids exploring the site and taking a tumble (or otherwise being injured). 

 

Matt

 

On Jun 4, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

“slip form?”  I don’t think so.  Cast-in-place, certainly, but not slip formed.

 

Certainly rugged enough, is the n’hood not conducive to a residential reuse?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

That facility still stands, though currently unused (AFAIK). Many in the neighborhood see it as a safety issue and eyesore, but I’m not sure how you remove a slip form elevator. 

 

The photo is wonderful, showing cars in superb condition, with grain doors at the ready (or recently removed). 

 

Good to see you are making good use of our library’s wonderful image collection, Bob.

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

Sent from my mobile


On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/p16802coll7/id/18975/rec/6315T

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Paint Booth

Dave Boss
 

Hi Guys
               I took an article drawing from, I think it was MR back somewhere around 1989/90 of a paint booth design to a local Heating & Air company and had them make one from the drawing. It was made well with a heavy gauge metal. It turned out really well.It wasn't expensive. If interested I will look up the year & date of the Mag. for you.

Good Day
Dave


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:19 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

I thought about building a spray booth for years. I considered cardboard boxes, luan ply, and the plans featured in MR several editors ago. I never did build one. I splurged for the metal Paasche booth in early 2015 and it has seen regular use since.

 

Sure it was pricey, but it helped me move several undecorated freight cars to the next step. I think I’ve painted close to 50 freight cars in the last five years. That doesn’t seem like much but it’s better than the two I painted with rattle cans in the previous 20 years.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yes, Eric, it’s distorted but mostly horizontally.  It looks very wide.  But look at the car in relation to the man on the platform.  It’s clearly not as tall a car as the one originally referenced for this picture.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 4:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

The CH&D car would become one of the B&O M-23 class by WW1. Height to running board was 13-foot, 3-inches. I suspect the camera lens has affected the car appearance.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Also, a Cincinnati, Hamilton & Detroit box car at the end of the spur, a LONG ways from home.  Very short (i.e., not tall) car.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

Schuyler Larrabee
 

There’s a residential reuse of silos – Quaker Oats, somewhere in Ohio.  Slightly funky but I guess it works.

 

But I’m not talking about a “silo,” but rather the large orthogonal part of the building in your first image below.

 

Schuyler

Registered Architect 4600

Massachusetts

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

Definitely cast in place - slip forming is the only process that I know of to cast storage bins of that height. Here’s a view that shows the storage bins in context.

 

 

There’s a separate image in the collection (search “Gwinn Milling”) of a man unloading a steam-era boxcar that really impresses (on me) the laboriousness of that job.

 

 

I’m not aware of any residential reuse of concrete silos - I’ll have to ask the family architect (dad).  The neighborhood’s main concern is kids exploring the site and taking a tumble (or otherwise being injured). 

 

Matt

 

On Jun 4, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

“slip form?”  I don’t think so.  Cast-in-place, certainly, but not slip formed.

 

Certainly rugged enough, is the n’hood not conducive to a residential reuse?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Goodman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 10:52 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

 

That facility still stands, though currently unused (AFAIK). Many in the neighborhood see it as a safety issue and eyesore, but I’m not sure how you remove a slip form elevator. 

 

The photo is wonderful, showing cars in superb condition, with grain doors at the ready (or recently removed). 

 

Good to see you are making good use of our library’s wonderful image collection, Bob.

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

 

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On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:



Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library:

https://digital-collections.columbuslibrary.org/digital/collection/p16802coll7/id/18975/rec/6315T

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Eric Hansmann
 

The CH&D car would become one of the B&O M-23 class by WW1. Height to running board was 13-foot, 3-inches. I suspect the camera lens has affected the car appearance.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Also, a Cincinnati, Hamilton & Detroit box car at the end of the spur, a LONG ways from home.  Very short (i.e., not tall) car.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

A weigh date is not clear on any of these cars, so we don’t know the approximate date the scene was captured on film.

 

The 1911 amendment to the Safety Appliance Act pushed the Master Car Builders Association to formulate standards for placement of the new hardware. This led to sill steps on both ends of a car side. Ladders or ladder grabs on the right end of a car side and the left end of the car end, with rungs at the same level. A single handhold at the left end of the car side was added with the sill step. The end sill grabs became standard appliances on all cars, too.

 

These changes did not happen overnight to the US freight car fleet. There were occasional freight cars lacking all of these new safety appliances during WW1. IIRC, it was 1923 when all the older cars were either retired or upgraded to meet the new requirements.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wilkens
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

 

What's interesting is that the PFE car and the SP&S cars have no side stirrup step on the left corner of the cars or hand grabs. I thought by this time that was a requirement.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Paint Booth

Eric Hansmann
 

I thought about building a spray booth for years. I considered cardboard boxes, luan ply, and the plans featured in MR several editors ago. I never did build one. I splurged for the metal Paasche booth in early 2015 and it has seen regular use since.

 

Sure it was pricey, but it helped me move several undecorated freight cars to the next step. I think I’ve painted close to 50 freight cars in the last five years. That doesn’t seem like much but it’s better than the two I painted with rattle cans in the previous 20 years.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


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