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Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

An interesting selection of cars. Did you notice that in the photo the troop sleepers that the entrance steps are arranged between the cars, rather than via the central door? Love that Vanderbilt tender.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

naptownprr
 

Tim,


I really enjoy those old photos.  Looks like those troop sleepers still had their original trucks in 1968.


Jim Hunter



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Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  ��

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


General American Builders Photos

Seth Lakin
 

Group sorry for the cross group post but there is revenant content between the two groups.  I posted a number of General American builders photos from the 1940’s and 1950’s that were given to me from a retired GATC photographer some 20 years ago to my RR Pictures Archives account, many in this group may be interested in the photos.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=136296

One of the photos shows a tank car production line. While the cars are not identified, the lot number is on the tank car end. Anyone have an idea what GATC lot BO5234 May have been, specifically car 22 in that lot? The photo is dated 8/31/1951.

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

brianleppert@att.net
 

John Barber left his employment with the Northern Pacific Railway in the mid 1890s to create the Standard Car Truck Company.  The purpose was to market his lateral motion device invention.  (according to John White's book)

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Tony Thompson
 

I could not find it from your E-bay link, but a PFE wood body reefer with that number would be from a Walthers Number 5415 kit.

    The kit number and class are indeed R-40-2, but that class had grab-iron rows, not ladders, so as presented the model is incorrect.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Dave Parker
 

Note also the early Vulcan trucks with Barber Lateral Motion.  I tend to think of the latter as more of a 1920s innovation, but they can be found as far back as the 1916 CBC (at least).
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Jim Hayes
 

Thanks Bruce, my search was obviously faulty.

Jim

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:37 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Jim,

I'm puzzled by your question. The instructions are in the files of the SnT group (https://groups.io/g/shake-n-take), as are some additional helpful resources.



Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016
 
I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim


Re: Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

I'm puzzled by your question. The instructions are in the files of the SnT group (https://groups.io/g/shake-n-take), as are some additional helpful resources.



Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016
 
I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim


Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Jim Hayes
 

I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim


Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Undated photos, probably early 1920s, from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df734t63c

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df734t61t

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. You can even read the trust plate.

Notice the "Tack Cards Here" stencil to the left of the door. It's my understanding that obstinate yard crewmen would tack placards and other media everywhere else but in the designated area.

The 3,000 Class R-30-12 reefers were a very large group of cars built in 1920-1921. There were 1,000 built by the SP Equipment Company (at Los Angeles & Roseville), 300 by the Mt. Vernon Car Manufacturing Co., 200 by PC&F, 600 by AC&F and 900 by Pullman.

PFE 17220 was the first in the group built by PC&F.

A spotting feature of these cars were their doors, which were taller than previous classes of PFE reefers.

In the 1930s and 1940s most of these cars were rebuilt into other classes.

There is good coverage of these cars in the PFE book.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Tim O'Connor
 


Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: NP Reefer Load Of Canned Salmon

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Reefer Load Of Canned Salmon

A 1915 photo from the Washington State Historical Society:

http://www.washingtonhistory.org/imu/api/file/1577

Description:

"Ten men in overcoats and hats stand by a Northern Pacific Railway railroad car in Seattle, WA, with the sign on its side: This train of 27 cars loaded with canned salmon from P.E. Harris and Co., Seattle, WA."

Doug Harding commented on another group, "An early reefer built with a deep steel underframe, at a time when many did not trust the steel underframe to hold the load, so designs called for the tried and proven truss rods as additional (and unnecessary) fail safe measure."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MILW Boxcar 716528 Car Jacked!!

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MILW Boxcar 716528 Car Jacked!!

A 1948 photo from the Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/476/rec/15

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to show the detail of the car.

In 1948 the term had a different meaning.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Edward
 

I could not get your E-bay link to work and by now its likely gone.
However, an O scale wood body PEF refrigerator with that  number is likely from this  Walthers 5415 kit.

Ed Bommer


Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

wahsatch
 

As I watched the bidding go hi, was wondering who offered this car. Some say it's a kit, but my 2 look almost identical.

<https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kit-Built-Reefer-Refrigerator-Car-Pacific-Fruit-Express-SP-PFE-2-Rail-O-Gauge/353082327845>

Thanks for any help!

-=- Bob Colquitt


Re: Train Station Products station

gastro42000 <martincooper@...>
 

Hi: I found train station products with NKP which also lists union station. I don’t know if they had any more trucks listed though. Marty Cooper 

On June 5, 2020 at 9:15 PM Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

Yeah, I saw that but that's just a little bit of what they made.  I guess I was wondering if they had a website to order direct from.

Scott McDonald 

 


Re: PFE R-30/40-9 reefer

Fred Jansz
 

The RC cars are 'as built' pre 1938 and too short for the reconditioned 1938-1965 WP cars (unless you use a RC R-30-9 body).
They ride on T-section trucks.
As you mentioned the RC R-30-12-9 cars have Bettendorf frames, which was only the case on maybe 200 of the 2775 WP cars (PFE's R-30-13, which was the basis for the WP cars in 1924, has the built up frame).
The RC cars are missing the bolted on side and end reinforcement strips and coupler pockets.
And the RC cars sometimes have orange feather heralds, which should be B&W.
The RCW kit is 100% appropriate for the reconditioned WP cars that ran during 1938-1965 era and I'm glad RCW offers it now.
It has better details like appropriate trucks, brake wheel and see through hatch latches. 
It can be built as a 1938-1941reconditioned WP reefer or as 1952 rebuilt (by PFE, Roseville) version with AB brake and Preco fan + plate and removed hatch platforms.
These lasted until 1965.
Add Tichy decals and silver paint and you can even turn it into a 1951 (WP Sacramento) built painted WP Ice Service reefer which lasted into the early 1970's.
Last but not least a set of Microscale or Speedwitch decals could turn it into a perfect PFE R-30/40-9 car besides the available WP options.
Fred Jansz


Re: Paint Booth

 

My paint booth and station. Plenty of storage for paint bottles, airbrushes, cleaning materials, etc. You can also make out my register mounted to the garage door to vent outside. The garage door has two 4” dryer flapper vents on the outside to keep out bugs. My pancake air compressor is also visible.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, June 5, 2020 at 11:25 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

I have made a temporary one out of a 3cube moving box (18”x18”) and a 20” box fan with a 20” furnace filter. Open the box at both ends, place the filter against the fan so the fan draws air through the filter. Put the filter at the end of the box, secure with tape if necessary. This paint booth worked very well for a spray painting clinic, using acrylic paint.

 

My home paint booth is home made out of ½” plywood. Has a plexiglas top to allow in light, furnace filter in slot at the back. Simple to build. One notation, do not use the plastic flexible dryer vent hose, esp if using solvent based paints. The corrugations of the plastic will also slow down your air flow and accumulate paint particles. I use 4” metal round duct work you can purchase at any home center. I also use a metal flexible dryer hose. I mounted my exhaust vent to a piece of plywood sized to fit a window opening. At the moment I don’t even vent to the outside, my fan sits on the floor and blows away from the booth. As I paint with acrylics I have no odor issues, simply need to remove paint particles from the air.

 

Attached is a photo of my current paint station. Laundry sink to the left for clean up. Spray booth with dirty filter, set up for down draft (I can exhaust top or bottom). Silent air compressor on the floor under the table, wood box, then fan assembly (an old Dayton fan).

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: Paint Booth

Douglas Harding
 

I have made a temporary one out of a 3cube moving box (18”x18”) and a 20” box fan with a 20” furnace filter. Open the box at both ends, place the filter against the fan so the fan draws air through the filter. Put the filter at the end of the box, secure with tape if necessary. This paint booth worked very well for a spray painting clinic, using acrylic paint.

 

My home paint booth is home made out of ½” plywood. Has a plexiglas top to allow in light, furnace filter in slot at the back. Simple to build. One notation, do not use the plastic flexible dryer vent hose, esp if using solvent based paints. The corrugations of the plastic will also slow down your air flow and accumulate paint particles. I use 4” metal round duct work you can purchase at any home center. I also use a metal flexible dryer hose. I mounted my exhaust vent to a piece of plywood sized to fit a window opening. At the moment I don’t even vent to the outside, my fan sits on the floor and blows away from the booth. As I paint with acrylics I have no odor issues, simply need to remove paint particles from the air.

 

Attached is a photo of my current paint station. Laundry sink to the left for clean up. Spray booth with dirty filter, set up for down draft (I can exhaust top or bottom). Silent air compressor on the floor under the table, wood box, then fan assembly (an old Dayton fan).

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

Has anyone tried to make one out of a corrugated box?

Maybe a “triple wall” one from an appliance?

 

A bit of *real* duct tape, maybe some 1x1 corner reinforcement?

You might need something a bit more solid to mount the fan on, but…

 

Cheap & easy to modify if you don’t get it “just right” on the first try!

(I got a metal one from North Coast, quite a while ago)

 

Ken

 


--
Ken Akerboom


PFE R-30/40-9 reefer

David
 

So, aside from the underframe, how is this different from the Red Caboose car?

David Thompson

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