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Re: QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

Jack Burgess
 

Bill…

 

Attached is a wood double-sheathed box car built in 1914 and it shows just one bolt per leg which seems fine since there would be that much load on it. BTW, Yarmouth Model Works has photo-etched parts for these supports as part No. YMW-38 (Eye Bolts & Misc: Running Board and Lateral Braces). This set provides the supports for one car plus other parts.

 

Jack Burgess

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

 

 

The end supports for the running board on most boxcars in the 40’s and 50’s consisted of a metal  angle attached to the running board end with two legs projecting down to the car end.  Many earlier boxcars used a 1 X 4” board

with two metal legs running down to the car end.  I have three cars nearing completion on my workbench that use the latter support.  They are a UP B-50-20, an NP stock car and an SP 50’ door and a half auto car. 

My question is did the metal supports use one or two bolts in attaching to the 1 X4’s and running board slats? I have viewed numerous photos and cannot come up with an answer.  A small item but need to know for the sake of accuracy.

 

Thanks for any help:

 

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Bill Pardie
QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


The end supports for the running board on most boxcars in the 40’s and 50’s consisted of a metal  angle attached to the running board end with two legs projecting down to the car end.  Many earlier boxcars used a 1 X 4” board
with two metal legs running down to the car end.  I have three cars nearing completion on my workbench that use the latter support.  They are a UP B-50-20, an NP stock car and an SP 50’ door and a half auto car. 
My question is did the metal supports use one or two bolts in attaching to the 1 X4’s and running board slats? I have viewed numerous photos and cannot come up with an answer.  A small item but need to know for the sake of accuracy.

Thanks for any help:

\
Bill Pardie

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Re: General American Builders Photos

Scott
 

Thanks for sharing.

I wonder if any railroad bought the reefer?  That is an interesting design.

Scott McDonald 
Re: Paint Booth

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

It is not about belief. It is about scientific fact. Period. As I said in the previous thread, you would have to seal the paint booth and volatilize the ENTIRE contents of a 2 oz paint jar to even begin to approach (not achieve) an explosive concentration. Direct volatilization of solvents with an airbrush will also not achieve a flammable or explosive concentration. Even Andy Sperandeo, editor of MR when this urban legend of needing spark proof fans was started, admitted that these were completely unnecessary. I suggest that those who doubt, search, read, and learn.

By way of credentials, I have a significant amount of laboratory experience and routinely use a variety of safety hoods in my professional work.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
 
Bruce,

The type of motor is only irrelevant if a person believes your assertion that it is impossible to form an explosive mixture.  Some here might not.  So I pointed out that the motors they were likely to choose were brushless, thus eliminating a major, and perhaps only, ignition source in the system.

Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: Photo: MILW Boxcar 716528 Car Jacked!!

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 08:40 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

A 1948 photo from the Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/476/rec/15

I thought I wasn't supposed to see any of those cracks between the boards?

Dennis Storzek
Re: Paint Booth

spsalso
 

Bruce,

The type of motor is only irrelevant if a person believes your assertion that it is impossible to form an explosive mixture.  Some here might not.  So I pointed out that the motors they were likely to choose were brushless, thus eliminating a major, and perhaps only, ignition source in the system.

Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Edward
 
Edited

We O scale modelers are accustomed to having ladders in just about every box car or reefer kit, whether the prototype had them or not.
For those among us who prize better modeling fidelity, its not a big deal to make the individual grab irons.
The photo I used was a Walthers catalog shot of their 5415 kit.
For me, a kit is a start, not an end product when done.
I've often wondered since my teens in the early 1950's, who built and how long did it take to make all those models used for advertising and catalog photos for the O scale kit producers.

Here are two of my kit built cars The first is a Walthers kit I had from the 1950's. I rebuilt it in1998 to represent I (close, but not exactly) the 'winner' of the 1924 D&H Inter-shop Car Building Contest held at Oneonta NY  where I was living at the time. The other is a modified early (warped parts) Chooch USRA box car I built in 2002.  
To get hand grabs spaced, I make a brass jig with notches to locate holes to be drilled for them.  
I've got three of them now. One always seems work, depending on how tall the car body is. 

Ed Bommer
Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes, with screen doors in the ends of the sleepers. :-)


On 6/6/2020 3:03 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

An interesting selection of cars. Did you notice that in the photo the troop sleepers that the entrance steps are arranged between the cars, rather than via the central door? Love that Vanderbilt tender.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...

On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.
I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.
In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.
940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.
Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.
Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Weren't the R-40-2 (grabs) and R-40-4 (ladders) alike - except for the ladders? I'm just working from memory or
what little is left of it...



On 6/6/2020 2:23 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
I could not find it from your E-bay link, but a PFE wood body reefer with that number would be from a Walthers Number 5415 kit.
    The kit number and class are indeed R-40-2, but that class had grab-iron rows, not ladders, so as presented the model is incorrect.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Jim,

Most of the converted troop sleepers kept their Allied Full-Cushion trucks until the cars were scrapped in the 1980s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:36 PM naptownprr <jhunter@...> wrote:

Tim,


I really enjoy those old photos.  Looks like those troop sleepers still had their original trucks in 1968.


Jim Hunter


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Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

An interesting selection of cars. Did you notice that in the photo the troop sleepers that the entrance steps are arranged between the cars, rather than via the central door? Love that Vanderbilt tender.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

naptownprr
 

Tim,


I really enjoy those old photos.  Looks like those troop sleepers still had their original trucks in 1968.


Jim Hunter


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Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  ��

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Sterling, Massachusetts

General American Builders Photos

Seth Lakin
 

Group sorry for the cross group post but there is revenant content between the two groups.  I posted a number of General American builders photos from the 1940’s and 1950’s that were given to me from a retired GATC photographer some 20 years ago to my RR Pictures Archives account, many in this group may be interested in the photos.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=136296

One of the photos shows a tank car production line. While the cars are not identified, the lot number is on the tank car end. Anyone have an idea what GATC lot BO5234 May have been, specifically car 22 in that lot? The photo is dated 8/31/1951.

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
Re: Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

brianleppert@att.net
 

John Barber left his employment with the Northern Pacific Railway in the mid 1890s to create the Standard Car Truck Company.  The purpose was to market his lateral motion device invention.  (according to John White's book)

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Tony Thompson
 

I could not find it from your E-bay link, but a PFE wood body reefer with that number would be from a Walthers Number 5415 kit.

    The kit number and class are indeed R-40-2, but that class had grab-iron rows, not ladders, so as presented the model is incorrect.

Tony Thompson
Re: Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Dave Parker
 

Note also the early Vulcan trucks with Barber Lateral Motion.  I tend to think of the latter as more of a 1920s innovation, but they can be found as far back as the 1916 CBC (at least).
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Re: Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Jim Hayes
 

Thanks Bruce, my search was obviously faulty.

Jim

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 10:37 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Jim,

I'm puzzled by your question. The instructions are in the files of the SnT group (https://groups.io/g/shake-n-take), as are some additional helpful resources.



Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016
 
I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim

Re: Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

I'm puzzled by your question. The instructions are in the files of the SnT group (https://groups.io/g/shake-n-take), as are some additional helpful resources.



Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016
 
I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim

Wanted info on S-N-T 2015 & 2016

Jim Hayes
 

I'm interested in the Shake-N-Take projects for 2015 CRI&P boxcar and 2016 WP boxcar. I've found little in the S-N-T email or groups.io
If anyone has the instructions or presentations or other info on these, would you please share them with me.
Or if you have the parts that were handed out or an unfinished kit for them, I'd be interested in buying it.

Jim
Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

Undated photos, probably early 1920s, from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df734t63c

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df734t61t

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. You can even read the trust plate.

Notice the "Tack Cards Here" stencil to the left of the door. It's my understanding that obstinate yard crewmen would tack placards and other media everywhere else but in the designated area.

The 3,000 Class R-30-12 reefers were a very large group of cars built in 1920-1921. There were 1,000 built by the SP Equipment Company (at Los Angeles & Roseville), 300 by the Mt. Vernon Car Manufacturing Co., 200 by PC&F, 600 by AC&F and 900 by Pullman.

PFE 17220 was the first in the group built by PC&F.

A spotting feature of these cars were their doors, which were taller than previous classes of PFE reefers.

In the 1930s and 1940s most of these cars were rebuilt into other classes.

There is good coverage of these cars in the PFE book.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
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