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Railway Prototype Cyclopedia needed

gtws00
 

Does anyone have a spare or unneeded copy of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 21 and or Volume 26 they are willing to sell. 
Also interested in Vol 23&24. If you do please contact me off list at gtws00 at yahoo dot com
George Toman


C&O Open MW Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Here are all five photos I have of C&O open MW cars. All were taken in the 1980s, and I think two were idler/tender cars for Burro cranes. All three cars were rebuilt from flat cars with added gondola superstructures.

912267 appears to be a 42' car (12 stake pockets) rebuilt as a gondola from series 80300-80399, 1929 cars built by and inherited from the Hocking Valley. Shaver says many of these cars were converted to MW service in the middle to late 1940s. This car could also have come from the similar PM series 16000-16099 which came to the C&O in 1947 as 216000-216099. The Red Caboose (now IM) model is a close match. This was photographed at Charlottesville from the old downtown depot platform before the station was sold off to become offices and the platform was enclosed. 

912375 is also a 42' car. The eyes and cables on the shack's roof suggest anchor points for a Burro crane's hook. This car was photographed in Scottsville, Virginia, though I don't remember a Burro crane being around at that time. Possibly it was being held with other MW cars I saw there that were awaiting scrapping. That's my Toyota pick-up in the distance, well loved, but troublesome (it blew out several head gaskets when I could least afford to have it fixed).

940068 is a 52/53' car, apparently built from a welded flat. I have no information about welded flat cars on the C&O. This one is definitely a Burro crane tender. Note the extra step and handrails. This was photographed in the Charlottesville yard east of the old C&O depot.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  


Re: Paint Booth

gastro42000 <martincooper@...>
 

Hi: any one who has been a model railroader for only a short time will have knocked over a 2 ounce bottle or left the cap off the pint bottle of solvent. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Marty Cooper 

On June 6, 2020 at 5:31 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Ed,

It is not about belief. It is about scientific fact. Period. As I said in the previous thread, you would have to seal the paint booth and volatilize the ENTIRE contents of a 2 oz paint jar to even begin to approach (not achieve) an explosive concentration. Direct volatilization of solvents with an airbrush will also not achieve a flammable or explosive concentration. Even Andy Sperandeo, editor of MR when this urban legend of needing spark proof fans was started, admitted that these were completely unnecessary.  I suggest that those who doubt, search, read, and learn.

By way of credentials, I have a significant amount of laboratory experience and routinely use a variety of safety hoods in my professional work.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 


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Bruce,

The type of motor is only irrelevant if a person believes your assertion that it is impossible to form an explosive mixture.  Some here might not.  So I pointed out that the motors they were likely to choose were brushless, thus eliminating a major, and perhaps only, ignition source in the system.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

 


Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Jack Mullen
 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 11:23 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
The kit number and class are indeed R-40-2, but that class had grab-iron rows, not ladders, so as presented the model is incorrect.
Yes, but unfortunately replacing the clunky slippery plastic ladders with grabs won't make this an R-40-2. The car body is a foob for  that or any PFE class I can think of. And the orange is wrong.

It is indeed a Walthers kit. Not sure when it originated, but was marketed in the '70s iirc.

Jack Mullen


Re: QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

Bill Welch
 

For the leg that attaches to the car end I use one rivet/bolt head. For older cars that have a 1x4 or 1x6 under the end of the running board I often put two on each leg.

Bill Welch


Rapido USRA boxcars

bill woelfel
 

Picked up my cars today at the  LHS.  Carmer cut levers on the ATSF models.  1936 date.  Not too sure about the color tho.   Bill


Re: QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

Jack Burgess
 

Bill…

 

Attached is a wood double-sheathed box car built in 1914 and it shows just one bolt per leg which seems fine since there would be that much load on it. BTW, Yarmouth Model Works has photo-etched parts for these supports as part No. YMW-38 (Eye Bolts & Misc: Running Board and Lateral Braces). This set provides the supports for one car plus other parts.

 

Jack Burgess

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

 

 

The end supports for the running board on most boxcars in the 40’s and 50’s consisted of a metal  angle attached to the running board end with two legs projecting down to the car end.  Many earlier boxcars used a 1 X 4” board

with two metal legs running down to the car end.  I have three cars nearing completion on my workbench that use the latter support.  They are a UP B-50-20, an NP stock car and an SP 50’ door and a half auto car. 

My question is did the metal supports use one or two bolts in attaching to the 1 X4’s and running board slats? I have viewed numerous photos and cannot come up with an answer.  A small item but need to know for the sake of accuracy.

 

Thanks for any help:

 

\

Bill Pardie


QUESTION ON RUNNIBNG BOARD END SUPPORTS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


The end supports for the running board on most boxcars in the 40’s and 50’s consisted of a metal  angle attached to the running board end with two legs projecting down to the car end.  Many earlier boxcars used a 1 X 4” board
with two metal legs running down to the car end.  I have three cars nearing completion on my workbench that use the latter support.  They are a UP B-50-20, an NP stock car and an SP 50’ door and a half auto car. 
My question is did the metal supports use one or two bolts in attaching to the 1 X4’s and running board slats? I have viewed numerous photos and cannot come up with an answer.  A small item but need to know for the sake of accuracy.

Thanks for any help:

\
Bill Pardie

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Re: General American Builders Photos

Scott
 

Thanks for sharing.

I wonder if any railroad bought the reefer?  That is an interesting design.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Paint Booth

Bruce Smith
 

Ed,

It is not about belief. It is about scientific fact. Period. As I said in the previous thread, you would have to seal the paint booth and volatilize the ENTIRE contents of a 2 oz paint jar to even begin to approach (not achieve) an explosive concentration. Direct volatilization of solvents with an airbrush will also not achieve a flammable or explosive concentration. Even Andy Sperandeo, editor of MR when this urban legend of needing spark proof fans was started, admitted that these were completely unnecessary. I suggest that those who doubt, search, read, and learn.

By way of credentials, I have a significant amount of laboratory experience and routinely use a variety of safety hoods in my professional work.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth
 
Bruce,

The type of motor is only irrelevant if a person believes your assertion that it is impossible to form an explosive mixture.  Some here might not.  So I pointed out that the motors they were likely to choose were brushless, thus eliminating a major, and perhaps only, ignition source in the system.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Photo: MILW Boxcar 716528 Car Jacked!!

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 08:40 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

A 1948 photo from the Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois:

http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/476/rec/15

I thought I wasn't supposed to see any of those cracks between the boards?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Paint Booth

spsalso
 

Bruce,

The type of motor is only irrelevant if a person believes your assertion that it is impossible to form an explosive mixture.  Some here might not.  So I pointed out that the motors they were likely to choose were brushless, thus eliminating a major, and perhaps only, ignition source in the system.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Edward
 
Edited

We O scale modelers are accustomed to having ladders in just about every box car or reefer kit, whether the prototype had them or not.
For those among us who prize better modeling fidelity, its not a big deal to make the individual grab irons.
The photo I used was a Walthers catalog shot of their 5415 kit.
For me, a kit is a start, not an end product when done.
I've often wondered since my teens in the early 1950's, who built and how long did it take to make all those models used for advertising and catalog photos for the O scale kit producers.

Here are two of my kit built cars The first is a Walthers kit I had from the 1950's. I rebuilt it in1998 to represent I (close, but not exactly) the 'winner' of the 1924 D&H Inter-shop Car Building Contest held at Oneonta NY  where I was living at the time. The other is a modified early (warped parts) Chooch USRA box car I built in 2002.  
To get hand grabs spaced, I make a brass jig with notches to locate holes to be drilled for them.  
I've got three of them now. One always seems work, depending on how tall the car body is. 

Ed Bommer


Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes, with screen doors in the ends of the sleepers. :-)


On 6/6/2020 3:03 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim,

An interesting selection of cars. Did you notice that in the photo the troop sleepers that the entrance steps are arranged between the cars, rather than via the central door? Love that Vanderbilt tender.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Who offered this O scale PFE #71407 R-40-2 reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Weren't the R-40-2 (grabs) and R-40-4 (ladders) alike - except for the ladders? I'm just working from memory or
what little is left of it...



On 6/6/2020 2:23 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
I could not find it from your E-bay link, but a PFE wood body reefer with that number would be from a Walthers Number 5415 kit.

    The kit number and class are indeed R-40-2, but that class had grab-iron rows, not ladders, so as presented the model is incorrect.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Jim,

Most of the converted troop sleepers kept their Allied Full-Cushion trucks until the cars were scrapped in the 1980s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:36 PM naptownprr <jhunter@...> wrote:

Tim,


I really enjoy those old photos.  Looks like those troop sleepers still had their original trucks in 1968.


Jim Hunter



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Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

An interesting selection of cars. Did you notice that in the photo the troop sleepers that the entrance steps are arranged between the cars, rather than via the central door? Love that Vanderbilt tender.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:08 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Bunk Cars and Jordan Spreader

naptownprr
 

Tim,


I really enjoy those old photos.  Looks like those troop sleepers still had their original trucks in 1968.


Jim Hunter



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Here are some 'random' C&O MofW shots my Dad took. Scanned many years ago from 3x5 prints...


On 6/2/2020 6:44 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Today, I am finishing up presenting photos of C&O MW house cars. This isn't all that I have, but what's left are essentially duplicates of what you've already seen. I have a few C&O open cars, Burro cranes, and tenders coming up, but I'm going to keep them spaced them out a bit. I also have a very few really cool Western Maryland cars that turned up here in Charlottesville, plus some from West Virginia.

I also have a few interesting Southern MW cars coming your way. Since most of what I saw were PS-1s, I will limit what I show to open cars and a couple of really old boxcars.

In today's lot, bunk car 911106 is another of the ex-Hocking Valley auto cars. I think this one has been more recently resided and has a much different window arrangement than the previous tool cars. Also note that it appears the siding has been replaced along the bottom, possibly from rust between the siding and the side frame. I'm not certain where I found this particular car, possibly at Scottsville on the James River line.

940256 is unlike any other C&O MW car I encountered. It appears to be converted from a 50' auto car. Note the car-end man door, and the Allied Full Cushion trucks, which are not original if I'm right about the car's origin. This car was at Clifton Forge.

Jordan spreader 914057 was found in Charlottesville. I was fortunate to be able to get two views of this machine.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  ��

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


General American Builders Photos

Seth Lakin
 

Group sorry for the cross group post but there is revenant content between the two groups.  I posted a number of General American builders photos from the 1940’s and 1950’s that were given to me from a retired GATC photographer some 20 years ago to my RR Pictures Archives account, many in this group may be interested in the photos.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=136296

One of the photos shows a tank car production line. While the cars are not identified, the lot number is on the tank car end. Anyone have an idea what GATC lot BO5234 May have been, specifically car 22 in that lot? The photo is dated 8/31/1951.

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Photos: PFE 17220 (R-30-12)

brianleppert@att.net
 

John Barber left his employment with the Northern Pacific Railway in the mid 1890s to create the Standard Car Truck Company.  The purpose was to market his lateral motion device invention.  (according to John White's book)

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

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