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Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Bill Welch
 

This would make a great Resin kit. The cylinders could have a cavity molded in to accommodate weights.

Bill Welch


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Mont Switzer
 

Handling chlorine cylinders (called "tons") is nasty business.  One reason for so many of these miniature pressure vessels is should there be a leak (chlorine gas) you are only dealing with 2000 lbs of product. 

 

Once unloaded from the car, the "tons" are easy to distribute to multiple locations where the product is used.  A lot of them go into water treatment.

 

Mont Switzer     


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Mont Switzer [MSwitzer@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

John,

 

Unless the HM regulations were different back then the placards have to remain on the car whether loaded or empty to cover the residue.  However, there may have been a slightly different placard for the residue back then.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Barry [northbaylines@...]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

As Ian and Tony have stated, most likely Chlorine which was required to be placarded as a poison gas.  Your photo captures said placard so you can infer that the car was loaded when you shot it.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, June 8, 2020, 09:02:29 PM EDT, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


Cars of this type usually were in chlorine service, each canister held 1 ton.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-06-08 20:37, Richard Wilkens wrote:

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Mont Switzer
 

John,

 

Unless the HM regulations were different back then the placards have to remain on the car whether loaded or empty to cover the residue.  However, there may have been a slightly different placard for the residue back then.

 

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of John Barry [northbaylines@...]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 10:11 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

As Ian and Tony have stated, most likely Chlorine which was required to be placarded as a poison gas.  Your photo captures said placard so you can infer that the car was loaded when you shot it.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, June 8, 2020, 09:02:29 PM EDT, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


Cars of this type usually were in chlorine service, each canister held 1 ton.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-06-08 20:37, Richard Wilkens wrote:

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

Peter Ness
 

Hi Johannes,

 

Bruce is correct, but also there is not much photo evidence to support the statement in Ralph’s article in MM about repainting as early as 1956…

Most if not all of the New Haven 45000-45099 Class XIH insulated boxcars were repainted brown with the large NH herald in 1968 at Maybrook.  The heater equipment was removed and the cars were reclassed XI. Some lasted in the delivery scheme longer.

 

The cars were new in 1953, so since you already have one in the SOM scheme, for better or worse, that’s appropriate.

 

All are welcome to visit the freight cars page on my website https://newhavenrailroad1959.webs.com/newhavenfreightcars.htm for New Haven information. I don’t have everything you may need since my New Haven “ends” in 1959.

 

For those that may recall my post last year on an HO scale resin kit of this car, Steve never got the project off the ground, but Eastern Seaboard Models has announced an HO scale version.

 

Stay healthy,

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

 

Johannes,

 

You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm  Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

 

Hello Richard,

 

many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:

 

 

Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.

But I also found this:

 

 

Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!

 

Thanks again and greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
 

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 

Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

Thomas Evans
 

If I recall correctly, there were special super-fast "silk trains" at one time.
Now I'm curious to know more.

Tom E.


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

John Barry
 

As Ian and Tony have stated, most likely Chlorine which was required to be placarded as a poison gas.  Your photo captures said placard so you can infer that the car was loaded when you shot it.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, June 8, 2020, 09:02:29 PM EDT, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


Cars of this type usually were in chlorine service, each canister held 1 ton.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-06-08 20:37, Richard Wilkens wrote:

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Ian Cranstone
 

Cars of this type usually were in chlorine service, each canister held 1 ton.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2020-06-08 20:37, Richard Wilkens wrote:

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Wilkens wrote:

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

     Cars like that, with those removable tanks, were normally chlorine cars, but other compressed gasses could certainly be shipped that way. The tanks, known as "one-ton tanks," presumably by weight of tank plus cargo, could be separately distributed to buyers.

Tony Thompson




Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

mel perry
 

helium
:-)
mel perry


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 5:37 PM Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:
U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens

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Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Richard Wilkens
 

U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?

Richard Wilkens


Refrigerator Car Morrell Refrigerator Line MRX 5687

Richard Wilkens
 

Morrell Refrigerator Line MRX 5687 at Los Angeles in May 1958.

Richard Wilkens


Tank Car GATX 33504

Richard Wilkens
 

Another photo from my collection of GATX 33504 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on February 26, 1958.

Richard Wilkens


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm  Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 
Hello Richard,
 
many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:
 
https://brasstrains.com/classic/Product/Detail/033503/HO-CCI-NH-New-Haven-Insulated-Box-Car-45071
 
Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.
But I also found this:
 
https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/094625/HO-Brass-Model-CCI-Railworks-CCI-264-1P-BAR-Bangor-Aroostook-Insulated-Boxcar-Box-Car-All-Red-w-Large-Shield-Logo-2338-F-P
 
Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 
Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Richard,
 
many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:
 
https://brasstrains.com/classic/Product/Detail/033503/HO-CCI-NH-New-Haven-Insulated-Box-Car-45071
 
Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.
But I also found this:
 
https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/094625/HO-Brass-Model-CCI-Railworks-CCI-264-1P-BAR-Bangor-Aroostook-Insulated-Boxcar-Box-Car-All-Red-w-Large-Shield-Logo-2338-F-P
 
Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

 
-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 
Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

Richard Townsend
 

According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Tichy USRA boxcar underframes

Tim O'Connor
 


Byron Rose knew - The underframe that came with the Sunshine SP B-50-12A (USRA rebuild) had a bogus
underframe too, which Byron meticulously altered so that the model was completely correct. He didn't paint the
model when he finished, so all the modifications, additions etc in various materials really stood out.



On 6/3/2020 2:29 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
What a Tuesday!  I just cam to the horrifying realization that the Tichy USRA boxcar under frame is completely NOT a USRA under frame! Now some of have known this I am sure, but I can only find a single mention of it in the archives. All this time, we have worried about the lack of rivets tying the ends to the sides, when everything below the side sills is complete and utter manure? We even did this kit in the old Virtual Modelers group and I don't remember this issue ever coming up...

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

HI Tim,
 
The date is indicated as “1880/1949”. The image is obviously neither from 1880 nor 1949.  I think the “1880/1949” indicates the span of dates covered by the “Angelus Studio Photographs”, the collection which this image is a part of
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: 8 June, 2020 12:08
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat
 

The photo date is certainly wrong - SP 53745 is a G-50-6 gondola built by Haskell & Barker in 1916. So not 1880's.

The flat car is SP 41683.


On 6/3/2020 11:58 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Zoom in to see an SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat with lumber loads. Road numbers can be made out on these both
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

Richard Townsend
 

Probably an express reefer. Silk got very special handling and its movement was expedited.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mel perry <clipper841@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Loading Raw Silk

looks like they are loading multiple
cars at the same time, is that a reefer
they are loading?  don't recognize the
"boxcar" construction?
mel perry


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 9:01 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: Loading Raw Silk
A 1930 photo from the University of Southern California Digital Library:
This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Description: "Photograph of raw silk from Japan being loaded into railroad cars for shipment to New York City, September 17, 1930. A long boxcar stretches across the image from left to right. A wooden ramp leads up to a set open double doors in the middle of the car, and a worker can be seen pushing a dolly loaded with bags of silk into the car. Another man can be seen standing inside the railroad car. The freighter Tokai Maru brought the cargo to Los Angeles Harbor from Japan."
This looks like an express reefer to me.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

mel perry
 

looks like they are loading multiple
cars at the same time, is that a reefer
they are loading?  don't recognize the
"boxcar" construction?
mel perry


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 9:01 AM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Loading Raw Silk

A 1930 photo from the University of Southern California Digital Library:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/ref/collection/p15799coll65/id/11274

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Photograph of raw silk from Japan being loaded into railroad cars for shipment to New York City, September 17, 1930. A long boxcar stretches across the image from left to right. A wooden ramp leads up to a set open double doors in the middle of the car, and a worker can be seen pushing a dolly loaded with bags of silk into the car. Another man can be seen standing inside the railroad car. The freighter Tokai Maru brought the cargo to Los Angeles Harbor from Japan."

This looks like an express reefer to me.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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