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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

spsalso
 

Reading through the link I posted earlier:

https://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/ware/fasern/seide/seide-htm/#informationen

there is no indication that raw silk is perishable.  Thus there is no consequent need for speed.  

The end product of the process we are looking at is to place raw silk in the warehouses of sellers of same.  In my very brief education in silk production, I don't see any indication that silk was shipped with live silk worms included.  Labor costs for converting the live cocoons would almost surely be lower at the point of origin, and shipping would be cheaper and safer for the product.

The point about the insurance is interesting.  I wonder if the railroads self-insured instead.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 07:22 AM, mrvant@... wrote:
I believe one of the reasons for speed was that insurance was paid per day. The trains were sometimes carrying a cargo worth over $1M. A lot of money then. Articles I have read also indicated the cargo was perishable. If they shipped it with live silk worms I could see that. I haven’t been able to track down exactly why raw silk was perishable yet. Raw silk is coated in a gummy substance that has to be removed by boiling in water before the silk is usable.


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

mrvant@rogers.com
 

I believe one of the reasons for speed was that insurance was paid per day. The trains were sometimes carrying a cargo worth over $1M. A lot of money then. Articles I have read also indicated the cargo was perishable. If they shipped it with live silk worms I could see that. I haven’t been able to track down exactly why raw silk was perishable yet. Raw silk is coated in a gummy substance that has to be removed by boiling in water before the silk is usable.


Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Craig Zeni
 

On Jun 9, 2020, at 9:49 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

1c. Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 20:02:26 EDT

Yes, on one of the Facebook Airbrushing pages I follow, several people rave about Mr. Color's qualities. I admit I have not sprayed with it and will test before I do my almost ready to paint model.

Bill Welch
While I can't say as I've tried the Mr Self Leveling Thinner on Tamiya paints, I can attest to the stuff's goodness. I use it to thin the Mr Color lacquers and it's great stuff. I've bodged a paint job or three by getting a bit heavy on application; with that thinner runs or thick spots self level and it's visible while it's happening. It's otherworldly. I've been told, but have not tried, that it works as well with Tru Color.


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


VIRTUAL RPM

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Will there be instructions for accessing the Virtual RPM this week?  Some of us computer illiterate folks think that a laptop is an activity in a Kotean Bar.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Date: 6/9/20 2:02 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Yes, on one of the Facebook Airbrushing pages I follow, several people rave about Mr. Color's qualities. I admit I have not sprayed with it and will test before I do my almost ready to paint model.

Bill Welch


Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Yes, on one of the Facebook Airbrushing pages I follow, several people rave about Mr. Color's qualities. I admit I have not sprayed with it and will test before I do my almost ready to paint model.

Bill Welch


Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Thanks, Bill.

 

I have some Tamiya Orange in the paint drawer, so that saves me a trip to my LHS. Any reason you’re not using Tamiya’s Thinner?

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

 

I am using Tamiya's Orange reduced w/Mr. Color's Leveling thinner, decals by Smoke Box Graphics

Bill Welch


Re: 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast

mel perry
 

this should be a good one, can't wait
thanks
mel perry

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 2:51 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Working on my presentation for Saturday's June 13th 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM. Hope you will be there.

Model on ya'll
Bill Welch

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20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast

Bill Welch
 

Working on my presentation for Saturday's June 13th 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM. Hope you will be there.

Model on ya'll
Bill Welch


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

schmuck804_99@...
 


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Peter,
 
thanks to you, too.
 
>> I don’t have everything you may need since my New Haven “ends” in 1959. <<
 
1959 is already too late - so your link most likely includes everything I would want to know about NH freight car paint.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 14:24 Uhr
Von: "Peter Ness" <prness@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

Hi Johannes,

 

Bruce is correct, but also there is not much photo evidence to support the statement in Ralph’s article in MM about repainting as early as 1956…

Most if not all of the New Haven 45000-45099 Class XIH insulated boxcars were repainted brown with the large NH herald in 1968 at Maybrook.  The heater equipment was removed and the cars were reclassed XI. Some lasted in the delivery scheme longer.

 

The cars were new in 1953, so since you already have one in the SOM scheme, for better or worse, that’s appropriate.

 

All are welcome to visit the freight cars page on my website https://newhavenrailroad1959.webs.com/newhavenfreightcars.htm for New Haven information. I don’t have everything you may need since my New Haven “ends” in 1959.

 

For those that may recall my post last year on an HO scale resin kit of this car, Steve never got the project off the ground, but Eastern Seaboard Models has announced an HO scale version.

 

Stay healthy,

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

 

Johannes,

 

You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm  Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

 

Hello Richard,

 

many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:

 

 

Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.

But I also found this:

 

 

Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!

 

Thanks again and greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
 

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 

Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

 


Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question

vapeurchapelon
 

Bruce, your are right, of course. I still have to lot a learn, uhm , to learn a lot... :-)
 
Regarding these nice cars nonetheless it's now clear I have to resist - maybe I could stretch my mind up to 1954, but surely not more.
But there definitely are worse things in life...
 
Thanks (also for the link!) and greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:55 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
Johannes,
 
You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm  Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.
 
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 
 
 
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 
Hello Richard,
 
many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:
 
 
Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.
But I also found this:
 
 
Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!
 
Thanks again and greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
-----Original Message-----
From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
 
Hello friends,

I consider purchasing this model:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted

I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

I didn't know this until recently--the rayon Malcolm mentioned is made from wood pulp. One of the principal producers of rayon was . . . stand by for this . . . Rayonier Incorporated (later ITT Rayonier). While it doesn't quite fit in with our interest in freight cars, Rayonier had extensive logging railroads, and ran one of the last big Pacific Northwest "steam shows" into the 1960s. Of course they had freight cars: log cars of various kinds (mandatory freight car content).

Circa 1969 my father and I were allowed access to one of their operations, IIRC at Railroad Camp. We were able to photograph their remaining steam locomotives including ex-Sierra 38. None were operating then, as the operation was all-diesel. And I turned my nose up at their Baldwins. (Sheesh!).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆



On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:12 AM mrvant@... <mrvant@...> wrote:

There is a good description of the silk trains in Canada at the link. CPR dominated with their own steamships. The trade in Canada started in 1887 and petered out in 1930s with the depression and competition from Japanese ships using the Panama Canal to get to New York. Eventually rayon replaces silk. Special lighter weight cars, shorter than box cars, equipped with passenger car trucks were used to transport raw silk on special high speed trains that had the highest priority on the railway. The market for the Canadian railways was also in New York.

The silk cars later showed up in express baggage service. They had distinctive centre doors and were shorter.

Malcolm Vant

https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/transportation/canada-s-silk-road

 


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

gastro42000 <martincooper@...>
 


On June 9, 2020 at 2:04 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:  po

Marty Cooper wrote:hi: yep. I wanted one, I got one. It makes a nice static display, but it is too heavy to run without pulling the rest of the cars off the track. Marty Cooper 

Hi: it also makes a nice brass car, but very heavy. Marty Cooper 

     There was at least one brass version which had turned aluminum tanks.

Tony Thompson




 


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Tony Thompson
 

Marty Cooper wrote:

Hi: it also makes a nice brass car, but very heavy. Marty Cooper 

     There was at least one brass version which had turned aluminum tanks.

Tony Thompson




Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Bill Welch
 

I am using Tamiya's Orange reduced w/Mr. Color's Leveling thinner, decals by Smoke Box Graphics

Bill Welch


Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Peter Ness
 

Hi Bob,

True Color Red-Orange TCP 040 is the current day best match to Serial 409 used in these repaints.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 11:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

 

Can anyone on the list suggest a good paint match for the orange the New Haven used on some of its boxcars?


Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk

spsalso
 

The Silk Road was established hundreds of years ahead of steam powered trains, and I strongly suspect the travel time for the product was quite lengthy, compared to the latter.

Here is some commentary on current raw silk transport:

https://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/ware/fasern/seide/seide-htm/#informationen

Note that there is no comment about time sensitivity FOR THE PRODUCT.  Note also that it can be transported in containers or on airplanes.  Again with no apparent time sensitivity.  Aside from rats or water, it's pretty stable.

I believe the reason for the emphasis on high-speed transport of silk was to get it to market first, because that drew higher prices.  Silk production is seasonal, so whoever delivered the first batch got the big bucks.  For that matter, the last trainload might be almost worthless IF demand was low for silk.  Of course, to then boost demand, prices could be lowered.  Not something most capitalists yearn for.

Also, because of the high value of silk at the time these trains were running, the added cost of moving it at high speed was proportionally less.  


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Can anyone on the list suggest a good paint match for the orange the New Haven used on some of its boxcars?


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

Bill Welch
 

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:56 AM, gastro42000 wrote:
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Hi: it also makes a nice brass car, but very heavy. Marty Cooper 
 
 I do not find brass cars that interesting Marty, often fine detail is overdone. A lot depends on the manufacturer's/importer's standards and demands in terms of quality.
welchWith a resin kit I am in charge of accuracy and fineness.
Bill Welch
 


Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503

gastro42000 <martincooper@...>
 

Hi: it also makes a nice brass car, but very heavy. Marty Cooper 

On June 9, 2020 at 9:15 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

This would make a great Resin kit. The cylinders could have a cavity molded in to accommodate weights.

Bill Welch

 

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