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Re: 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast
Schuyler Larrabee
I searched my email for “virtual,” which got me several dozen hits, but searching for “Speedwitch” got me my receipt too.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 1:03 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast
Presumably those of us who were able to register will be getting some form of e-mail notification from Speedwitch in the next day or so with the login information. I have an alternate weekly Zoom meeting in the same time period so will have to know which I am attending soon. I have an unfulfilled order on my Speedwitch account that indicates I will be able to virtually attend.
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Re: 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast
Presumably those of us who were able to register will be getting some form of e-mail notification from Speedwitch in the next day or so with the login information. I have an alternate weekly Zoom meeting in the same time period so will have to know which I am attending soon. I have an unfulfilled order on my Speedwitch account that indicates I will be able to virtually attend.
As I understand it registration is now closed as the software limits of attendance (room capacity issue?) have been reached. -- Ken Adams In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
spsalso
Tim,
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Yes, it's hard to steal from a fast moving train. And it's hard to steal from a train moving at "regular" speed. I'd say the difficulty is about the same. Now, a STOPPED train is different. And that concept applies to both fast and slow trains. And dealing with that problem would be similar for both fast and slow trains. NEVER put the train in a siding. NEVER give the train a yellow or red block. During fueling and engine changes, armed guards with those new-fangled machine guns that every citizen may purchase (fun days, then!) Be ready for surprise stops caused by bad guys (see new-fangled equipment above) Maybe a couple other things I didn't think of but a bright rising railroader would. Ed Edward Sutorik
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:16 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
spsalso
It may be an error to assume the railroad needed any significant insurance for the raw silk load.
They may have required the SHIPPER to buy any "excess" insurance. That has happened to many of us when we ship, when we are asked if we want to pay for extra insurance on our expensive shipment. The shipping company (UPS, USPS) doesn't pay for that; the shipper (YOU) does. So it may also have been the same for the silk shipments. Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503
On 6/8/20 8:37 PM, Richard Wilkens wrote:
U.S. Army Tank Car USAX 16503 at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles on May 24, 1958. Wonder what nasty stuff was in those tanks?From the shape of the tanks, the "Poison Gas" placards, and my many young hours spent on the catwalk above Taylor, my guess would be chlorine. Cheers, Bruce A. Metcalf
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
It was incredibly valuable cargo. Why are so many non-perishable products (MILLIONS of TONS) now shipped by air? Because it's so valuable that the higher transportation cost is negligible. It's hard to steal from a fast moving train (or airplane). :-)
On 6/10/2020 12:08 PM, spsalso via groups.io wrote:
I mentioned a couple of those reasons for speed in my earlier post. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
spsalso
I mentioned a couple of those reasons for speed in my earlier post.
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As I envision the hoopla accompanying the silk shipments, I also see another benefit from railroad speed: self-promotion. "Sure they're fast. But we're FASTER! Just look at the last running time! We're BETTER than that other line!" Sometimes it seemed kind of over-the-top. This could explain why. Ed Edward Sutorik
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 08:58 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 08:42 AM, spsalso wrote:
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 08:42 AM, spsalso wrote:
there is no indication that raw silk is perishable. Thus there is no consequent need for speed.Yes, there is no need for speed due to silk not being perishable. But the need for speed can be required by other factors, such market conditions, insurance, etc., as pointed out by others. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
spsalso
Reading through the link I posted earlier:
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https://www.tis-gdv.de/tis_e/ware/fasern/seide/seide-htm/#informationen there is no indication that raw silk is perishable. Thus there is no consequent need for speed. The end product of the process we are looking at is to place raw silk in the warehouses of sellers of same. In my very brief education in silk production, I don't see any indication that silk was shipped with live silk worms included. Labor costs for converting the live cocoons would almost surely be lower at the point of origin, and shipping would be cheaper and safer for the product. The point about the insurance is interesting. I wonder if the railroads self-insured instead. Ed Edward Sutorik
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 07:22 AM, mrvant@... wrote: I believe one of the reasons for speed was that insurance was paid per day. The trains were sometimes carrying a cargo worth over $1M. A lot of money then. Articles I have read also indicated the cargo was perishable. If they shipped it with live silk worms I could see that. I haven’t been able to track down exactly why raw silk was perishable yet. Raw silk is coated in a gummy substance that has to be removed by boiling in water before the silk is usable.
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
mrvant@rogers.com
I believe one of the reasons for speed was that insurance was paid per day. The trains were sometimes carrying a cargo worth over $1M. A lot of money then. Articles I have read also indicated the cargo was perishable. If they shipped it with live silk worms I could see that. I haven’t been able to track down exactly why raw silk was perishable yet. Raw silk is coated in a gummy substance that has to be removed by boiling in water before the silk is usable.
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Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars
On Jun 9, 2020, at 9:49 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
1c. Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcarsWhile I can't say as I've tried the Mr Self Leveling Thinner on Tamiya paints, I can attest to the stuff's goodness. I use it to thin the Mr Color lacquers and it's great stuff. I've bodged a paint job or three by getting a bit heavy on application; with that thinner runs or thick spots self level and it's visible while it's happening. It's otherworldly. I've been told, but have not tried, that it works as well with Tru Color. Craig Zeni Cary NC
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VIRTUAL RPM
WILLIAM PARDIE
Will there be instructions for accessing the Virtual RPM this week? Some of us computer illiterate folks think that a laptop is an activity in a Kotean Bar. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> Date: 6/9/20 2:02 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars Bill Welch
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Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars
Bill Welch
Yes, on one of the Facebook Airbrushing pages I follow, several people rave about Mr. Color's qualities. I admit I have not sprayed with it and will test before I do my almost ready to paint model.
Bill Welch
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Re: Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars
Robert J Miller CFA
Thanks, Bill.
I have some Tamiya Orange in the paint drawer, so that saves me a trip to my LHS. Any reason you’re not using Tamiya’s Thinner?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for New Haven orange boxcars
I am using Tamiya's Orange reduced w/Mr. Color's Leveling thinner, decals by Smoke Box Graphics
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Re: 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast
mel perry
this should be a good one, can't wait thanks mel perry
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 2:51 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote: Working on my presentation for Saturday's June 13th 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM. Hope you will be there.
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20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM coming fast
Bill Welch
Working on my presentation for Saturday's June 13th 20/20 Hindsight Virtual RPM. Hope you will be there.
Model on ya'll Bill Welch
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Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
schmuck804_99@...
Eastern Seaboard Models is working on these in HO scale. They did N scale several years ago.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/EasternSeaboardModels/photos/?tab=album&album_id=3112573915421786&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAMK9b_1BcA0I__arZiGP3kg_vxO3f-OcV_dTuQ8fM1-SZlVxgCPjKE7UBbo2oFnE9PK2EAiKCm-QLiaLafXf7zm5HqeGVvaNQPzonAqXvEJabkVX9AxHc0vtsQFxLLUXPen0xPrbNSqv3SI2YXZpHLHfprrY5EkH9vLjYNBxUEXHsq0lWP5WcjvFbUr3ynYkbafcwbn8SD5__P7NEV53GcSXKH-E1kL2vkyBSHqXCL4Zln8Ja7vrKjnQgjWAqU9hvgtM4jLpllMcjQPcGs8m3p3Pyr_2xaGyHwhGyjzNOuIRTn98XWCpnW_DBw8_cDDcEigbteh-SheSP6y9rIJwmtVDn6dxKNYCnSU_RdKs1Z37gayFC6hdiEeQyqrmscHczgiHdZGG8SF5v4XLRBS6olTjXS9D4i0ZewA3gdJIM7PPToPUjfFta8gcsIJBfcar4hF9N27VMmYSQ&__tn__=-UC-R
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Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
vapeurchapelon
Hello Peter,
thanks to you, too.
>> I don’t have everything you may need since my New Haven “ends” in 1959. <<
1959 is already too late - so your link most likely includes everything I would want to know about NH freight car paint.
Greetings
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 14:24 Uhr
Von: "Peter Ness" <prness@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question Hi Johannes,
Bruce is correct, but also there is not much photo evidence to support the statement in Ralph’s article in MM about repainting as early as 1956… Most if not all of the New Haven 45000-45099 Class XIH insulated boxcars were repainted brown with the large NH herald in 1968 at Maybrook. The heater equipment was removed and the cars were reclassed XI. Some lasted in the delivery scheme longer.
The cars were new in 1953, so since you already have one in the SOM scheme, for better or worse, that’s appropriate.
All are welcome to visit the freight cars page on my website https://newhavenrailroad1959.webs.com/newhavenfreightcars.htm for New Haven information. I don’t have everything you may need since my New Haven “ends” in 1959.
For those that may recall my post last year on an HO scale resin kit of this car, Steve never got the project off the ground, but Eastern Seaboard Models has announced an HO scale version.
Stay healthy, Peter Ness
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:55 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
Johannes,
You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Hello Richard,
many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:
Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me. But I also found this:
Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!
Thanks again and greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
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Re: New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question
vapeurchapelon
Bruce, your are right, of course. I still have to lot a learn, uhm , to learn a lot... :-)
Regarding these nice cars nonetheless it's now clear I have to resist - maybe I could stretch my mind up to 1954, but surely not more.
But there definitely are worse things in life...
Thanks (also for the link!) and greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:55 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question Johannes,
You have to be careful how you interpret statements 😉 "At least as early as July 1956" doesn't meant it can't be earlier. In this case, the BAR cars, which were built ion 1950 and 1953, were delivered in the Red, White and Blue State of Maine scheme. http://users.silcon.com/~lgoss/barpage6.htm Careful examination of photos of these cars show RW&B cars with NEW stencils confirming that it is the original paint scheme.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question Hello Richard,
many thanks. With your reply I did some googling and found this:
Apparently what you are speaking about. 1956 unfortunately is a little late for me.
But I also found this:
Is this an as-built scheme? That would be truly perfect...!
Thanks again and greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Juni 2020 um 01:05 Uhr
Von: "Richard Townsend via groups.io" <richtownsend@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question According to Ralph Harris's article "NH Boxcar Part II" in the May 1995 MM, some NH cars were repainted to BCR scheme with large block "NH" at least as early as July 1956.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 3:55 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Haven/ BAR insulated box car paint question Hello friends,
I consider purchasing this model: https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/117375/HO-Brass-Model-CCI---Railworks-Crown-Custom-Imports-CCI-262-NH---BAR-New-Haven---Bangor-Arastook-Insulated-Boxcar-w--Under-Car-Heater-Unpainted I already have one in the beautiful "State of Maine" scheme. Were all these cars painted this way when delivered, or is there another accurate paint scheme of that time or shortly after? Many thanks and greetings Johannes Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, I didn't know this until recently--the rayon Malcolm mentioned is made from wood pulp. One of the principal producers of rayon was . . . stand by for this . . . Rayonier Incorporated (later ITT Rayonier). While it doesn't quite fit in with our interest in freight cars, Rayonier had extensive logging railroads, and ran one of the last big Pacific Northwest "steam shows" into the 1960s. Of course they had freight cars: log cars of various kinds (mandatory freight car content). Circa 1969 my father and I were allowed access to one of their operations, IIRC at Railroad Camp. We were able to photograph their remaining steam locomotives including ex-Sierra 38. None were operating then, as the operation was all-diesel. And I turned my nose up at their Baldwins. (Sheesh!). Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
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