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Re: Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943
X23 (3), X25, X26, R50B, ND cabin...
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:27 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943 https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.4369051.CP
Radial Roof NP, Frisco, PRR “Buy War Bonds” X29….
Elden Gatwood
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
RICH CHAPIN
LV ORER Apr 1900 lists series 80000 to 80400 "Box, 8-wheel", not listed 1898 I have, have no 1899.
Rich Chapin
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Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.4369051.CP
Radial Roof NP, Frisco, PRR “Buy War Bonds” X29….
Elden Gatwood
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Sheathing on resin kits
Andy Carlson
For many decades I have been quite outspoken in lobbying for less aggressive model freight car wood siding gaps in the Single and Double Sheathed car sides. Our very own Brian Leppert, who was the tool maker for the HO MDC 50' SS auto box car back in the Carson City days of Roundhouse, tells how he was instructed to make the car side's grooves "very noticeable", which Brian dutifully followed. I know a very nice guy who is a major contributor to resin car production whom years ago was unapologetic in sticking to Evergreen factory scribed siding for the house car sides being made back then. In the years following he now makes some of the best siding for HO freight cars and he is justifillably proud of those results. I show some examples of DS sides, both real and model. This is probably the latest DS tooling in HO. Model Single sheathed cars have seen huge improvements in the last few decades, but I would like to see even further gains. Even in a tired and old SS car, the wood siding does not grow excessively apart. This was called to our attention last week in the STMFC and though extreme, it isn't excessive. This SS side was a quite common condition for SS car sides and you will notice some areas the joints are missing to view. Fresh paint on an older car and yet the boards still fit close together. I am certainly glad to see movement towards nicer boards on our wood sided cars. Let us not stop yet. Thanks, -Andy Carlson, Ojai CA Well Eric, I talked with one of these resin makers not too terribly long ago (certainly more recently than 10 years ago) at CCB and this person told me that if you can't see the boards from more than several feet, people don't purchase them. Admittedly neither this person or their firm was at CCB or Chicagoland this last year so there may have been some incremental progress, however that is what I am talking about. We seem to be in conflict here with my first hand conversation and your first hand perceptions. Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
mel perry
bud: trucks are intetesting also? mel
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:20 AM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
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Photo: Ventilated Boxcars
Photo: Ventilated Boxcars A 1948 photo from the Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois: http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/389/rec/226 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to show ACL, Seaboard and L&N ventilated boxcars. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
James Brewer
Also, it is not necessary to send me any corrections/additions as an Excel file....a simple email with be fine....thanks!
Jim Brewer
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Re: New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
James Brewer
All, This file was also uploaded to the Resin and Plastic Freight car site; when I attempted to upload it to Reatstmfc there was no space; so I forwarded to Jeff and he kindly has uploaded it. I have received several corrections/additions to the file; I would ask that if you have any corrections/additions, to forward them directly to me; I have no pride of authorship in this, I am just the scribe. Please for to me at jim.brewer.3611@... I anticipate posting the revised file around the beginning of July. Thanks. Jim Brewer
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification <main+notification@realstmfc.groups.io> wrote:
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New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification <main+notification@...>
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group. Uploaded By: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> Description: Cheers,
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
John Riddell
For an extremely valuable commodity with insurance rates sometimes charged by the hour, speedy delivery was important. CPR with its integrated railway and steamship service had a competitive edge. In 1924 CP’s newest liner “Empress of Canada” sped across the Pacific in eight days, ten hours and nine minutes from Tokyo to Vancouver. CPR trains then sped the silk to reach New York only thirteen days after leaving Yokohama harbour.
John Riddell
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
These LV box cars were often used in the bagged flour trade out of Buffalo.
Eight-hundred 100 lb. bags of flour made a load. Bagged flour like that was used in neighborhood bake shops like the one I grew up in during the 1940's. LV had left-hand door box cars built in the 1920's which replaced older truss-rodded cars. Here is one I built in O scale, using photos and spying on the HO model that Syracuse Hobbies was selling at the time. The flour load was made with Chiclet gum pieces, filling the door area only to keep the weight reasonable. Ed Bommer
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Mont, Yes, the C&O coal tower here in Charlottesville was retained for sanding until the yard was downsized around 1989. The tower is still standing, though derelict. Somebody bought it to turn into a dwelling, but that project went down the tubes. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 8:17 AM Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
Schuyler Larrabee
Terrific photo, Bud, thanks very much. I wish it carried a blt date. I’m sure that’s a builder’s photo, with every little detail picked out in white, all the lettering on the wheels and trucks. Also the slotted coupler knuckle says a lot about the time period.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:20 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] EARLY LV "wrong way" box
Schuyler, Wish I could enlarge the image.I n the meantime I have this builder's photo (I believe) of an early wrongway door LV car.I don't know the photo source as the pic was a gift to me from a friend. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946
Matt Smith
Follow up to previous, with NKP Yuton Coal Dock in background
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/4180 -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946
Matt Smith
Check this out!
NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946 http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/4404 -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
No railroad was more dedicated then the C&O in using old tenders for coal & water in the camp trains. A roster published by the C&O Historical Society shows numbers in the "T" series going as high as 308, plus twelve in Wreck train service (with a "W" prefix) and one odd man out numbered X111.
These rosters all specify coal and water capacity. For example, T-239 was rated for 16 tons of coal and 8000 gallons of water.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 4:49 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Tenders Friends,
Attached are four views of former C&O steam locomotive tenders downgraded to MW service, which makes them "sort-of freight" cars.
From the photos Bill McClure shared a few weeks back, I gather that most C&O outfit trains included at least one tender. Possibly the size of the tender varied with the size of the train. They probably carried coal for heating and/or cooking stoves until this was switched to natural gas, and likely also carried water for showers. I'm not sure if the water was fit to drink; MW tank cars for this purpose on some roads were marked "potable water". I see no such markings here.
All four cars were located together in Gordonsville, Virginia, around 1985-1986. There was quite a bit of old MW equipment held here at that time for eventual scrapping.
Enjoy the photos. Comments are always welcome.
Next time, Burro cranes.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
mopacfirst
I was in some Santa Fe cabooses in 1969/70 sitting in storage in Wichita, awaiting rebuilding or scrapping, most likely scrapping since the West Wichita shops had just closed. They all had cast iron stoves. While I don't remember a coal box, there certainly wasn't any other form of heat.
Ron Merrick
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 01:58 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
That's what they make shovels for. The men on work trains were mostly rated as laborers anyway... want heat tonight... shovel enough coal into the bunker to last us the week. Long after the steam era, and long after the time period of this list. I can still remember chasing a South Shore (an electric line) freight down the street in Michigan City with the smell of coal smoke waffing from the caboose stack. This was in the early seventies. The Soo Line never changed the stoves in their wood cabooses, some of which were still in service in the 1970's. Coal was supplied from a coal box adjacent to the caboose tie-up track. Dennis Storzek
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Bill McClure
The coal bunkers on C&O MOW tenders were left as-built. Bill McClure Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Mont Switzer
Garth and all,
Many (most?) coaling towers also had provisions for storing and dispensing sand. That function kept some coaling towers in use well beyond their time.
The two that I am most familiar with are the Monon at Lafayette, IN, Shops and the K&IT Youngtown Yard in Louisville, KY. Both were dispensing sand into the late 1960's. Both were built from reinforced concrete.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford [mallardlodge1000@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:57 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Tenders Mel,
I think the bunkers continued to be used for some years to supply coal for heating and possibly cooking needs to the MW trains, as stated in my original post. Maybe not. Some C&O maven might be able to add more to this.
This raises an interesting question. How were the bunkers refilled after steam was discontinued? A conveyor of some sort, or were at least some coal towers maintained and kept loaded for the MW trains? Hmmm. And how long did coal stoves last in cabooses.
Or did the end of steam and a ready coal supply abruptly bring on conversion of camp cars and cabooses to gas or oil heating?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:35 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
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