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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
mel perry
bud: trucks are intetesting also? mel
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:20 AM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
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Photo: Ventilated Boxcars
Photo: Ventilated Boxcars A 1948 photo from the Consortium of Academic and Research Libraries in Illinois: http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/389/rec/226 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit to show ACL, Seaboard and L&N ventilated boxcars. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
James Brewer
Also, it is not necessary to send me any corrections/additions as an Excel file....a simple email with be fine....thanks!
Jim Brewer
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Re: New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
James Brewer
All, This file was also uploaded to the Resin and Plastic Freight car site; when I attempted to upload it to Reatstmfc there was no space; so I forwarded to Jeff and he kindly has uploaded it. I have received several corrections/additions to the file; I would ask that if you have any corrections/additions, to forward them directly to me; I have no pride of authorship in this, I am just the scribe. Please for to me at jim.brewer.3611@... I anticipate posting the revised file around the beginning of July. Thanks. Jim Brewer
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification <main+notification@realstmfc.groups.io> wrote:
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New file uploaded to main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Notification <main+notification@...>
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@RealSTMFC.groups.io group. Uploaded By: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> Description: Cheers,
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Re: Photo: Loading Raw Silk
John Riddell
For an extremely valuable commodity with insurance rates sometimes charged by the hour, speedy delivery was important. CPR with its integrated railway and steamship service had a competitive edge. In 1924 CP’s newest liner “Empress of Canada” sped across the Pacific in eight days, ten hours and nine minutes from Tokyo to Vancouver. CPR trains then sped the silk to reach New York only thirteen days after leaving Yokohama harbour.
John Riddell
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
These LV box cars were often used in the bagged flour trade out of Buffalo.
Eight-hundred 100 lb. bags of flour made a load. Bagged flour like that was used in neighborhood bake shops like the one I grew up in during the 1940's. LV had left-hand door box cars built in the 1920's which replaced older truss-rodded cars. Here is one I built in O scale, using photos and spying on the HO model that Syracuse Hobbies was selling at the time. The flour load was made with Chiclet gum pieces, filling the door area only to keep the weight reasonable. Ed Bommer
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Mont, Yes, the C&O coal tower here in Charlottesville was retained for sanding until the yard was downsized around 1989. The tower is still standing, though derelict. Somebody bought it to turn into a dwelling, but that project went down the tubes. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 8:17 AM Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...> wrote:
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
Schuyler Larrabee
Terrific photo, Bud, thanks very much. I wish it carried a blt date. I’m sure that’s a builder’s photo, with every little detail picked out in white, all the lettering on the wheels and trucks. Also the slotted coupler knuckle says a lot about the time period.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:20 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] EARLY LV "wrong way" box
Schuyler, Wish I could enlarge the image.I n the meantime I have this builder's photo (I believe) of an early wrongway door LV car.I don't know the photo source as the pic was a gift to me from a friend. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946
Matt Smith
Follow up to previous, with NKP Yuton Coal Dock in background
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/4180 -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946
Matt Smith
Check this out!
NKP 99819 loading corn in cement hopper Yuton, IL 1946 http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/4404 -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
No railroad was more dedicated then the C&O in using old tenders for coal & water in the camp trains. A roster published by the C&O Historical Society shows numbers in the "T" series going as high as 308, plus twelve in Wreck train service (with a "W" prefix) and one odd man out numbered X111.
These rosters all specify coal and water capacity. For example, T-239 was rated for 16 tons of coal and 8000 gallons of water.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 4:49 pm Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Tenders Friends,
Attached are four views of former C&O steam locomotive tenders downgraded to MW service, which makes them "sort-of freight" cars.
From the photos Bill McClure shared a few weeks back, I gather that most C&O outfit trains included at least one tender. Possibly the size of the tender varied with the size of the train. They probably carried coal for heating and/or cooking stoves until this was switched to natural gas, and likely also carried water for showers. I'm not sure if the water was fit to drink; MW tank cars for this purpose on some roads were marked "potable water". I see no such markings here.
All four cars were located together in Gordonsville, Virginia, around 1985-1986. There was quite a bit of old MW equipment held here at that time for eventual scrapping.
Enjoy the photos. Comments are always welcome.
Next time, Burro cranes.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
mopacfirst
I was in some Santa Fe cabooses in 1969/70 sitting in storage in Wichita, awaiting rebuilding or scrapping, most likely scrapping since the West Wichita shops had just closed. They all had cast iron stoves. While I don't remember a coal box, there certainly wasn't any other form of heat.
Ron Merrick
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 01:58 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
That's what they make shovels for. The men on work trains were mostly rated as laborers anyway... want heat tonight... shovel enough coal into the bunker to last us the week. Long after the steam era, and long after the time period of this list. I can still remember chasing a South Shore (an electric line) freight down the street in Michigan City with the smell of coal smoke waffing from the caboose stack. This was in the early seventies. The Soo Line never changed the stoves in their wood cabooses, some of which were still in service in the 1970's. Coal was supplied from a coal box adjacent to the caboose tie-up track. Dennis Storzek
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Bill McClure
The coal bunkers on C&O MOW tenders were left as-built. Bill McClure Bill McClure www.billmcclure.smugmug.com
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Mont Switzer
Garth and all,
Many (most?) coaling towers also had provisions for storing and dispensing sand. That function kept some coaling towers in use well beyond their time.
The two that I am most familiar with are the Monon at Lafayette, IN, Shops and the K&IT Youngtown Yard in Louisville, KY. Both were dispensing sand into the late 1960's. Both were built from reinforced concrete.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford [mallardlodge1000@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 4:57 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O MW Tenders Mel,
I think the bunkers continued to be used for some years to supply coal for heating and possibly cooking needs to the MW trains, as stated in my original post. Maybe not. Some C&O maven might be able to add more to this.
This raises an interesting question. How were the bunkers refilled after steam was discontinued? A conveyor of some sort, or were at least some coal towers maintained and kept loaded for the MW trains? Hmmm. And how long did coal stoves last in cabooses.
Or did the end of steam and a ready coal supply abruptly bring on conversion of camp cars and cabooses to gas or oil heating?
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:35 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
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Re: EARLY LV "wrong way" box
Bud Rindfleisch
Schuyler, Wish I could enlarge the image.I n the meantime I have this builder's photo (I believe) of an early wrongway door LV car.I don't know the photo source as the pic was a gift to me from a friend. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: C&O MW Tenders
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Mel, I think the bunkers continued to be used for some years to supply coal for heating and possibly cooking needs to the MW trains, as stated in my original post. Maybe not. Some C&O maven might be able to add more to this. This raises an interesting question. How were the bunkers refilled after steam was discontinued? A conveyor of some sort, or were at least some coal towers maintained and kept loaded for the MW trains? Hmmm. And how long did coal stoves last in cabooses. Or did the end of steam and a ready coal supply abruptly bring on conversion of camp cars and cabooses to gas or oil heating? Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:35 PM mel perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
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Re: Tank Car United States Army USAX 16503
Paul Koehler
Mel:
On the Southern Pacific trains were blocked by destination, not by the load.
Paul C. Koehler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
which leads to the question, what were the rules, as far as train make up goes, prior to the rule changes, was there a national standard that each rr followed or each rr had their own rules/ideas?, and if there was a prior national standard what was it? thanks mel perry
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 2:26 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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Re: Dry Ice Refrigerator Car Test
lsittler
Additional FGE file photos of WFEX 67564. Les
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Dry Ice Refrigerator Car
Test In
looking at the grills on WFEX 67564
is probably a Thermo-King equipped car. Truckers were fine with their gas
powered T-K's but the RR's did not like them because gas is more flammable. Many
outside the FGE/WFE/BRE System would not accept them for interchange and this
was probably why the Frigidaire eventually is what they adopted system
wide. Bill Welch
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