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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly then a case of the "vapahs".


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Bruce Smith
 

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Ken;
 
We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.
 
The manway is open….
 
Elden Gatwood
 
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RE: First Try St. terminal photo
I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…

-- 
Ken Akerboom 



Re: Sheathing on resin kits

Bill J.
 

Indeed.  Just because something is dead-nuts-on doesn't mean it will look right on our RRs.  We can match paint to a specific car, but as soon as it gets on the layout, the color may look wrong.  Just because board spacing is exactly right, it effect may be lost when viewing it at arm's length.  Even more, it the car is 10 feet away, we don't notice much detail;  when you're deeply engaged in operations, sometimes all you see is the road #.

Not to say we shouldn't go for perfection, but we must balance perfection against effect.

Bill Jolitz


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ken;

 

We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.

 

The manway is open….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: more real oldies

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 07:38 AM, James SANDIFER wrote:

Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

It's temporary. Note it's laid on top of the pavement and the ramp rails on each track. Likely they are doing track renewal somplace out of the picture and need the ability to establish a single track section during the non-rush hours.

Dennis Storzek


Re: more real oldies

CJ Riley
 

I had trouble orienting the photo until I realized it was the Panhandle Bridge in the background. My office overlooked this are but it was the 80s and all gone except for the line from the bridge and it was turned into light rail. The terminal building still existed when I left Pittsburgh and I did an architectural examination of the parapets after a collapse on another building caused the city to require it.




Re: More freight cars on Duquesne Way

James E Kubanick
 

I'm agree with Eric on this. You can see the PRR viaduct on the left side of the  photo. Plus the flood level is too low to reach the PRR tracks.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, June 12, 2020, 8:59:23 AM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Eldon,

I think the MC car is on B&O tracks, formerly Pittsburgh Junction. They served a couple places under the Duquesne Way viaduct down to 9th Street.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 6:25 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Re: more real oldies

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don’t think so, as those are real frogs in those switches.  When trolley lines needed a temp switch, they’d often (OK, not ALWAYS) make a trackway that would rise up over the near rails, with the diagonal rails on top of the permanent rails.  Those two guys are doing something though.  I think they might be prepping that crossover to be buried in the pavement.  Notice also that the far track slopes down pretty abruptly just at the right side of the image.

 

Schuyler

 

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Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
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The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration.

 

This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars!

 

This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit.

 

Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: more real oldies

Todd Sullivan
 

Yes, I noticed the trolley track and overhead.  The photo is a great illustration of how both looked.  It does look like the trolley track to the right was being reconfigured or rebuilt.  I've never seen that before, and I did some trolley modeling in the 70s and a lot of research into pavement styles.

Todd Sullivan


Re: more real oldies

akerboomk
 

RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: more real oldies

Bruce Smith
 

It looks like it might be a temporary cross-over with rails at each end that are tapered to allow the trolley cars to get back to the normal rails. It might have been used to allow cars to avoid a construction area or reroute cars temporarily.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:38 AM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

Is the trolly company installing a crossover? 
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
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The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration. 
 
This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars! 
 
This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit. 
 
Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era. 
 
 
 
Eric Hansmann 
Murfreesboro, TN 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood



Re: more real oldies

Steve SANDIFER
 

Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

 

The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration.

 

This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars!

 

This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit.

 

Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: more early early box car biz

Charlie Vlk
 

Eric and all-
It would be interesting if this was an item of discussion for standardization amongst master mechanics; either across railroads or internally.   
Of course there were and are plenty of sinister doors...most ventilated and double door cars have two of them!
Charlie Vlk


On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The Pennsy had more left-opening boxcars on their pre-1930 roster than the total Lehigh Valley boxcar fleet. 

Left-opening doors aren't a wrong way at all, just uncommon by the time most people have focused their early diesel era modeling. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



n June 12, 2020 at 8:12 AM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All of them wrong way, left hand, southpaw doors!!!
Charlie Vlk



On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Re: more early early box car biz

Eric Hansmann
 

The Pennsy had more left-opening boxcars on their pre-1930 roster than the total Lehigh Valley boxcar fleet. 

Left-opening doors aren't a wrong way at all, just uncommon by the time most people have focused their early diesel era modeling. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



n June 12, 2020 at 8:12 AM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All of them wrong way, left hand, southpaw doors!!!
Charlie Vlk



On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Eric;

 

It sure is.

 

That’s an interesting area.  I don’t know enough about PSC, but have it on my list.  Some of these photos show exactly what one needs to model freight for these industries.

 

They did such a great job of documenting this rapidly modernizing area, and accompanying RR changes over time.  Much, much better than my timeframe.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
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The Pittsburgh City Photographer Collection has been a gold mine of inspiring images. I'm now focused on the B&O Allegheny Yard Branch which followed the river bank from the Willow Grove yard at Herr's Island down to the Pressed Steel Car Company plant just beyond Brunot Island on the Ohio River. The BR&P also had trackage rights to the School Street yard and a nearby freight house.

 

I can't model it all six miles of the branch but there are portions from Willow Island Yard to the Manchester Bridge that will end up as my layout. The public works documentation from the early Teens into the mid-1930s has been remarkable.

 

I had planned to do research at the Heinz Regional History Center a couple of weeks ago to explore the images and files that are not on line, but that has been postponed to someday.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

On June 12, 2020 at 7:18 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Eric;

 

I periodically go in to the Pitt Digital library to see new stuff, or do research, and these showed up in the Pittsburgh City Photographer collection.  Most of it is street work, paving and such, but some have freight cars peripheral to the subject.

 

That’s very true.  I don’t know why they are uncommon.  It’s not like there weren’t thousands wandering around out there.

 

Elden Gatwood

 


Re: more early early box car biz

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
"All of them wrong way, left hand, southpaw doors!!!"

Tens of thousands of left-opening door boxcars on the PRR.  Maybe it's YOUR railroad with doors that open the wrong way.


Ben Hom


Re: more early early box car biz

Charlie Vlk
 

All of them wrong way, left hand, southpaw doors!!!
Charlie Vlk


On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Re: more early early box car biz

Eric Hansmann
 

That B&O boxcar is one of the original batch of M-8 class cars built between 1897-1901. It predates the Pennsy XL cars. The photo is dated March 1913 so the B&O car has seen lots of service. By 1926, only 21 of the M-8 cars in the original number series had avoided rebuilding with steel center sills and still in-service.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 8:04 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



more early early box car biz

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943

Eric Hansmann
 

The Pittsburgh City Photographer Collection has been a gold mine of inspiring images. I'm now focused on the B&O Allegheny Yard Branch which followed the river bank from the Willow Grove yard at Herr's Island down to the Pressed Steel Car Company plant just beyond Brunot Island on the Ohio River. The BR&P also had trackage rights to the School Street yard and a nearby freight house.

I can't model it all six miles of the branch but there are portions from Willow Island Yard to the Manchester Bridge that will end up as my layout. The public works documentation from the early Teens into the mid-1930s has been remarkable.

I had planned to do research at the Heinz Regional History Center a couple of weeks ago to explore the images and files that are not on line, but that has been postponed to someday.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 7:18 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Eric;


I periodically go in to the Pitt Digital library to see new stuff, or do research, and these showed up in the Pittsburgh City Photographer collection.  Most of it is street work, paving and such, but some have freight cars peripheral to the subject.


That’s very true.  I don’t know why they are uncommon.  It’s not like there weren’t thousands wandering around out there.


Elden Gatwood


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