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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Duckworth wrote:
"I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty?" 

Plan ahead.  Figure out what will and won't be visible when the car is on the track to determine where you can hide weight.  To echo Richard Hendrickson, no point in modeling what won't be seen, and not modeling underframe or brake details in exchange for accommodating weight is a fair trade if you want the car to operate well.  Try to maximize the amount of weight for the volume available - if you can't cut pieces of sheet lead, consider using the smallest shot you can find.  (I'm not sold on more exotic solutions such as titanium dust as the cost doesn't seem to justify the incremental gain).  Consider using thin sheet brass or lead under the deck if possible, and metal trucks if the correct type is available.  Don't wait until the car is painted and decaled before deciding to add weight to the car (or work coupler and truck issues for that matter).


Ben Hom


What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

al_brown03
 

A (very unusual) example of staggered doors on a single-door car is the W&LE 27000 series (staggered 7' doors on a 40' single-sheathed boxcar). I assume the reason is the same one Ben cites: to get long loads into the car.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

Benjamin Hom
 

David Payne asked:
"A friend asked the subject question and rather than speculate, I thought I'd ask here."

Assuming the question concerns double door boxcars, it's to facilitate getting a long load into the car.


Ben Hom


What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

David Payne
 


A friend asked the subject question and rather than speculate, I thought I'd ask here.
Thank you.
David Payne
Georgia
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I would agree!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
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My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

 

Ken;

 

We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.

 

The manway is open….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

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RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…


-- 
Ken Akerboom 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Todd Sullivan
 

Hmmm, a vaping tank car.  Who would have thought ...

Todd Sullivan


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly then a case of the "vapahs".


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL



Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Bruce Smith
 

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Ken;
 
We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.
 
The manway is open….
 
Elden Gatwood
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
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RE: First Try St. terminal photo
I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…

-- 
Ken Akerboom 



Re: Sheathing on resin kits

Bill J.
 

Indeed.  Just because something is dead-nuts-on doesn't mean it will look right on our RRs.  We can match paint to a specific car, but as soon as it gets on the layout, the color may look wrong.  Just because board spacing is exactly right, it effect may be lost when viewing it at arm's length.  Even more, it the car is 10 feet away, we don't notice much detail;  when you're deeply engaged in operations, sometimes all you see is the road #.

Not to say we shouldn't go for perfection, but we must balance perfection against effect.

Bill Jolitz


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ken;

 

We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.

 

The manway is open….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:09 AM
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RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: more real oldies

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 07:38 AM, James SANDIFER wrote:

Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

It's temporary. Note it's laid on top of the pavement and the ramp rails on each track. Likely they are doing track renewal somplace out of the picture and need the ability to establish a single track section during the non-rush hours.

Dennis Storzek


Re: more real oldies

CJ Riley
 

I had trouble orienting the photo until I realized it was the Panhandle Bridge in the background. My office overlooked this are but it was the 80s and all gone except for the line from the bridge and it was turned into light rail. The terminal building still existed when I left Pittsburgh and I did an architectural examination of the parapets after a collapse on another building caused the city to require it.




Re: More freight cars on Duquesne Way

James E Kubanick
 

I'm agree with Eric on this. You can see the PRR viaduct on the left side of the  photo. Plus the flood level is too low to reach the PRR tracks.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Friday, June 12, 2020, 8:59:23 AM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Eldon,

I think the MC car is on B&O tracks, formerly Pittsburgh Junction. They served a couple places under the Duquesne Way viaduct down to 9th Street.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 12, 2020 at 6:25 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Re: more real oldies

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don’t think so, as those are real frogs in those switches.  When trolley lines needed a temp switch, they’d often (OK, not ALWAYS) make a trackway that would rise up over the near rails, with the diagonal rails on top of the permanent rails.  Those two guys are doing something though.  I think they might be prepping that crossover to be buried in the pavement.  Notice also that the far track slopes down pretty abruptly just at the right side of the image.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
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Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:51 AM
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The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration.

 

This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars!

 

This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit.

 

Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: more real oldies

Todd Sullivan
 

Yes, I noticed the trolley track and overhead.  The photo is a great illustration of how both looked.  It does look like the trolley track to the right was being reconfigured or rebuilt.  I've never seen that before, and I did some trolley modeling in the 70s and a lot of research into pavement styles.

Todd Sullivan


Re: more real oldies

akerboomk
 

RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…


--
Ken Akerboom


Re: more real oldies

Bruce Smith
 

It looks like it might be a temporary cross-over with rails at each end that are tapered to allow the trolley cars to get back to the normal rails. It might have been used to allow cars to avoid a construction area or reroute cars temporarily.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:38 AM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

Is the trolly company installing a crossover? 
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies
 
The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration. 
 
This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars! 
 
This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit. 
 
Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era. 
 
 
 
Eric Hansmann 
Murfreesboro, TN 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: 

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood



Re: more real oldies

Steve SANDIFER
 

Is the trolly company installing a crossover?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 8:51 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

 

The Try Street Terminal is a great pocket team yard in an urban canyon. While located fairly close to the original Grant Street freight house and the PRR passenger terminal, a tunnel separates the rail activity. I've used the Try Street terminal to illustrate what can be done in a limited area for maximum model railroad operation. Here are two elevated images from August 1935 I share for inspiration.

 

This is one of the best overall images snapped on August 22, 1935. At the right is the Fourth Avenue passenger station, a commuter stop. In the background is the Try Street Terminal warehouse, which was also rail served. Just to the right of the warehouse is the bridge over the Monongahela River. And of course....freight cars!

 

This image from August 11, 1935 offers a different angle and a slightly better look at the transfer dock and crane. Seen in both images are gondolas on the far track, which served a scrap outfit.

 

Lastly, here's a reference on a great site of city plat maps. These are 1923 maps as later editions remain under copyright. You can zoom in and out to explore more of Pittsburgh. See how many railroad team yards you can find from that era.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On June 12, 2020 at 6:34 AM "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.122554.CP/viewer

 

ACL and L&N at Try Street yard in downtown Pittsburgh.  Love that ACD logo!

 

Elden Gatwood


Re: more early early box car biz

Charlie Vlk
 

Eric and all-
It would be interesting if this was an item of discussion for standardization amongst master mechanics; either across railroads or internally.   
Of course there were and are plenty of sinister doors...most ventilated and double door cars have two of them!
Charlie Vlk


On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The Pennsy had more left-opening boxcars on their pre-1930 roster than the total Lehigh Valley boxcar fleet. 

Left-opening doors aren't a wrong way at all, just uncommon by the time most people have focused their early diesel era modeling. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



n June 12, 2020 at 8:12 AM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All of them wrong way, left hand, southpaw doors!!!
Charlie Vlk



On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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