Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Drew M.

I recently completed an F&C Rutland flat which I filled the area within the center sill with sheet lead. With metal trucks it tracks well.

Drew Marshall, Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Jun 12, 2020, at 15:15, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty.

Re: double sheathed boxcar with a herald

Benjamin Hom

"In the image linked below, I can see a partial view of a double sheathed boxcar with a herald. Reading it as well as I can, it seems to be proclaiming

CH&D&PM
SYSTEM
GREAT CENTRAL ROUTE

Image is dated 1907. Can anyone tell me what railroad this was?"
https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.07554.CP/viewer

CH&D = Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton.  PM = Pere Marquette, which the CH&D controlled 1904-1912.  The CH&D was eventually acquired by the B&O in 1917.

Ben Hom

Re: Sandy Valley and Elkhorn steel gondola

mel perry

that BR&P can't still be in active service?
mel perry

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 12:52 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,

I like this view of a Sandy Valley and Elkhorn steel gondola. It is labeled as part of the B&O system.

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund

Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Tony Thompson

Ben Hom wrote:

Plan ahead.  Figure out what will and won't be visible when the car is on the track to determine where you can hide weight.  To echo Richard Hendrickson, no point in modeling what won't be seen, and not modeling underframe or brake details in exchange for accommodating weight is a fair trade if you want the car to operate well.  Try to maximize the amount of weight for the volume available - if you can't cut pieces of sheet lead, consider using the smallest shot you can find.  (I'm not sold on more exotic solutions such as titanium dust as the cost doesn't seem to justify the incremental gain).  Consider using thin sheet brass or lead under the deck if possible, and metal trucks if the correct type is available.  Don't wait until the car is painted and decaled before deciding to add weight to the car (or work coupler and truck issues for that matter).

Lead is significantly denser than brass. Titanium is rather less dense than either. I agree with Ben that lead is an excellent choice, especially in sheet form. You can readily buy this from roofers' supply stores (sometimes plumbers also) even if your local Big Box no longer carries it. And an advantage of lead is that it is so soft, you can readily "forge" pieces to fit where they need to go in an under frame. You barely need a hammer.
There have occasionally been outbreaks of hysteria about the health dangers of lead. Well, lead in metallic form is not dangerous. It does have lead oxide on its surface, so do wash your hands after handling it, but beyond that, not to worry.

Tony Thompson

Sandy Valley and Elkhorn steel gondola

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

Hi List Members,

I like this view of a Sandy Valley and Elkhorn steel gondola. It is labeled as part of the B&O system.

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund

double sheathed boxcar with a herald

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)

Hi List Members,

In the image linked below, I can see a partial view of a double sheathed boxcar with a herald. Reading it as well as I can, it seems to be proclaiming

CH&D&PM
SYSTEM
GREAT CENTRAL ROUTE

Image is dated 1907. Can anyone tell me what railroad this was?

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund

Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

O Fenton Wells

Charlie I use sheet lead cut into pieces that will fit underneath the body.  Then use contact cement to attach them.  I put the cement on both pieces and let them dry completely before pressing the lead into the body.
Fenton

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 3:15 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty.
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Charlie Duckworth
Omaha, Ne.

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Fenton Wells
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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Chuck Cover

Charlie,

Attached is a photo of one way to add weight to a flat car.  In this case I used lead shot on my F34 kitbash model.  I have monthly operating sessions.  I run it empty and it operates without any problems.

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Gerald Henriksen

They have just sent out an email announcing this car, both single and
double door, with tooling almost complete.

They will be doing a Facebook Live today at 6pm EDT to discuss them.

https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-prr-x31a-boxcar

Re: Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943

Benjamin Hom

Scott McDonald wrote:
"Any guesses on the car behind the locomotive?  Possibly a wagontop of some sorts?"

No.  The car has icing hatches, so it's definitely not a boxcar, and at any rate, it lacks the external ribs of the B&O boxcars and doesn't match the roof profile of PRR Class X31 and related classes.  It's likely a Class R50B express reefer.

Ben Hom

Re: Box Cars in PRR Duquesne yard 1943

Scott

Any guesses on the car behind the locomotive?  Possibly a wagontop of some sorts?

Scott McDonald

Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Benjamin Hom

Charlie Duckworth wrote:
"I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty?"

Plan ahead.  Figure out what will and won't be visible when the car is on the track to determine where you can hide weight.  To echo Richard Hendrickson, no point in modeling what won't be seen, and not modeling underframe or brake details in exchange for accommodating weight is a fair trade if you want the car to operate well.  Try to maximize the amount of weight for the volume available - if you can't cut pieces of sheet lead, consider using the smallest shot you can find.  (I'm not sold on more exotic solutions such as titanium dust as the cost doesn't seem to justify the incremental gain).  Consider using thin sheet brass or lead under the deck if possible, and metal trucks if the correct type is available.  Don't wait until the car is painted and decaled before deciding to add weight to the car (or work coupler and truck issues for that matter).

Ben Hom

What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Charlie Duckworth

I just received two of Chad Boas MP flatcar kits.  What methods are you all using to add weight so a flatcar can be run as an empty.
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Charlie Duckworth
Omaha, Ne.

Re: What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

al_brown03

A (very unusual) example of staggered doors on a single-door car is the W&LE 27000 series (staggered 7' doors on a 40' single-sheathed boxcar). I assume the reason is the same one Ben cites: to get long loads into the car.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

Benjamin Hom

"A friend asked the subject question and rather than speculate, I thought I'd ask here."

Assuming the question concerns double door boxcars, it's to facilitate getting a long load into the car.

Ben Hom

What is the reason for an offset door arrangement on some boxcars?

David Payne

A friend asked the subject question and rather than speculate, I thought I'd ask here.
Thank you.
David Payne
Georgia

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

I would agree!

Elden Gatwood

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Ken;

We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.

The manway is open….

Elden Gatwood

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

RE: First Try St. terminal photo

I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…

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Ken Akerboom

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Todd Sullivan

Hmmm, a vaping tank car.  Who would have thought ...

Todd Sullivan

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Eric Hansmann

Possibly then a case of the "vapahs".

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On June 12, 2020 at 11:12 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

Bruce Smith

My guess is that it is being steam cleaned.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Ken;

We had a conversation on this some time ago, with no definitive answer.

The manway is open….

Elden Gatwood

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of akerboomk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 11:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] more real oldies

RE: First Try St. terminal photo
I wonder what that “smoke” is coming out of the tank car in the lower-right corner…

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Ken Akerboom

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