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"Boomer Pete" was Misinformed (was Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know)

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))"

Note the Seley hopper behind the Class X31A boxcar and what appears to be a C&O double-sheathed automobile boxcar behind the tank car.  Other than the caboose, there probably isn't a home road car on this short freight.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Edward
 

Not just the embalmed whale presumably inside the rail car, but what about that automobile?
There seems to be a tow line connecting its back end to the railroad with a whale inside.
Perhaps this photo was arranged by an automobile dealer to advertise on how powerful that new car was?

Ed Bommer


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

 

Also note, strangely, the automobile is hitched to the car via a rope. Someone was having some fun. 
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Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Clark Propst
 

I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

John Barry
 

Eric,

Pure speculation - Capacity set by the car owner at something less than the standard, not to be changed on re-weigh.  Denoted in my 1944 era by a star.  Just a guess, but not a WAG.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 08:42:15 AM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The boxcar has a 1926 weigh stencil so the photo can't be 1923.

What is the back story on the Arbitrary stencils used with the weigh data here? I've not seen that before.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 13, 2020 at 11:42 PM "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/6527

Only a fair quality photo.

Banner advertises motor oil.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


 


Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

Eric Hansmann
 

The boxcar has a 1926 weigh stencil so the photo can't be 1923.

What is the back story on the Arbitrary stencils used with the weigh data here? I've not seen that before.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On June 13, 2020 at 11:42 PM "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/6527

Only a fair quality photo.

Banner advertises motor oil.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


 


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Mark Rossiter
 

The Rapido webpage advertising these cars gives the date ranges that the various paint schemes were applicable:

https://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/407e09a1-d552-48c6-ab72-7bcb9b8710b1.pdf

 

Mark Rossiter

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

A 1930 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/9099

A special car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: MILW Flat Cat 57026 With Auto Carriers & Banner

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: MILW Flat Cat 57026 With Auto Carriers & Banner

A 1960 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/26811

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner

A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/6527

Only a fair quality photo.

Banner advertises motor oil.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car Co. Reefer 9200

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car Co. Reefer 9200

A 1928 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/7020

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha Boxcar 23206

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha Boxcar 23206

A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/4744

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: brakes

Dennis Storzek
 

I've never read that the Westinghouse brake schedule designations had any meaning beyond just being a designation for the schedule of equipment, but they had to come from somewhere. The meaning of C and D in the K brake schedules are pretty obvious, as are several generations of locomotive equipment; 6ET equipment was used to equip Engines and Tenders, 14EL equipment was used on Electric Locomotives, and 24RL was used on Road Locomotives. However, Westinghouse avoided attaching any significance to the letters, which left them free to use the next letter in line, or a different letter, when they developed an upgrade. P was the designation for the passenger triple valve that was contemporary with the K freight brake, but the next improvement was L, and M and R were used on electric railway motor cars.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Jeff Helm
 

Bruce,

Thank you, very helpful link to that PRR paint page!  And, yes, reweigh date of course.
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff,

Don't put to much emphasis on early artwork. It will change. Especially since one of the putative single door car numbers is actually in the double door series (oops!). Note that it is not a "rebuild" date, but a reweigh date. Rapido has expressed their philosophy that they like to produce cars with reweigh dates at the beginning of the period of the paint scheme. However:

1) reweigh dates are SIMPLE to change and so I never let that bother me and 
2) Paint schemes often lasted well past the "changeover" date to a new scheme. 

Jerry Britton has a nice web page detailing the changes in PRR paint at:

In 1965, most or all ball (or circle) keystone cars should be gone. Plain Keystone would be the most recent scheme (starting in 1961) but I would expect to see shadow keystone cars (starting in 1954).

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Helm <jeff.helm.60@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know
 
I too have a similar question as raised by Jim, except for 1965. I “think” it’s some variation of Shadow Keystone, but I was unable to read the rebuild dates on Rapido’s illustrations for the cars.
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Jeff Helm
 

Sorry - re-weigh date, not rebuild
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Jeff Helm
 

I too have a similar question as raised by Jim, except for 1965. I “think” it’s some variation of Shadow Keystone, but I was unable to read the rebuild dates on Rapido’s illustrations for the cars.
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Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


Re: cut off disc "The good ones"

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Don, 
Happily they gave me the Covid-86 shuffle. I am a model builder/house hog now.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 04:15:35 PM CDT, Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...> wrote:


I still have a few “The Good Ones” left and also have not been able to find a source. However, Dremel has 1 ½” diameter by .020 wide reinforced cut off discs in their EZ Lock product line. Here’s the P/N: EZ409. You’ll have to buy the EZ Lock mandrel though. They’re .005” thinner than your “The Good Ones”, that you posted a pic of.

Regards,

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ

 


Re: [PRR] PRR X31A facts you want to know

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

Sounds more like the Pennsy just trying to throw its weight around.

     And you express surprise?

Tony Thompson




Re: brakes

Randy Hees
 

The original Westinghouse automatic brake valve was designated the "F"  It was patented in 1872.   It did not have "fast action".  In general it was good for a train of 8-10 cars.  The F valve did not meet the minimum standard (no valve did) at the first Burlington Air Brake trial in 1886, which used a 50 car train..  In response Westinghouse offered the "H" brake valve, which did have "fast action".  In a fast action, the air brake valve not only applies air in response to dropping the air pressure in the train line, but also recognizes a rapid air pressure loss as an emergency, and in that case in addition to a maximum brake application the valve also vents the train line, reducing pressure in the train line.  As a result the change in pressure is much more rapid, and the brakes apply much quicker.

The "K" valve was introduced in 1906/07 as an improved "H" valve.  They used the same mounting flange (to the brake reservoir if a "HC" or "KC" ("F" used a different flange) Externally the only difference between a "H" and "K" was an added flange on the valve body casting.  Westinghouse offered a kit to convert a "H" to a "K".  That kit included a sheet metal flange to be added to the valve body to give the "H" valve the same silhouette as a "K".

On the D&RG(W) "F" valves were used on tenders until the end of operation.  Most passenger cars on the D&RG(W) had "F" valves, and they are in use on the C&TS historic cars.  The D&RG freight car order of 1903 (3000 class box cars, 30' stock cars, & drop bottom gons all had "H" valves, all of which were converted to "K" with the added sheet metal flange.

Randy Hees

19121 - 19140 of 193462