"Boomer Pete" was Misinformed (was Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know)
Benjamin Hom
Clark Propst wrote: "I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs ; ))" Note the Seley hopper behind the Class X31A boxcar and what appears to be a C&O double-sheathed automobile boxcar behind the tank car. Other than the caboose, there probably isn't a home road car on this short freight. Ben Hom
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Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier
Not just the embalmed whale presumably inside the rail car, but what about that automobile?
There seems to be a tow line connecting its back end to the railroad with a whale inside. Perhaps this photo was arranged by an automobile dealer to advertise on how powerful that new car was? Ed Bommer
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Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier
Also note, strangely, the automobile is hitched to the car via a rope. Someone was having some fun.
-- Ben Sullivan Brookeville, MD
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Clark Propst
I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs ; ))
CW Propst
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Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner
John Barry
Eric, Pure speculation - Capacity set by the car owner at something less than the standard, not to be changed on re-weigh. Denoted in my 1944 era by a star. Just a guess, but not a WAG. JohnJohn Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 08:42:15 AM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The boxcar has a 1926 weigh stencil so the photo can't be 1923.
What is the back story on the Arbitrary stencils used with the weigh data here? I've not seen that before.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN On June 13, 2020 at 11:42 PM "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner
Eric Hansmann
The boxcar has a 1926 weigh stencil so the photo can't be 1923.
What is the back story on the Arbitrary stencils used with the weigh data here? I've not seen that before.
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
On June 13, 2020 at 11:42 PM "Bob Chaparro via groups.io" <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Mark Rossiter
The Rapido webpage advertising these cars gives the date ranges that the various paint schemes were applicable: https://files.constantcontact.com/b02e8bb6001/407e09a1-d552-48c6-ab72-7bcb9b8710b1.pdf
Mark Rossiter
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Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier
Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier A 1930 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture: https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/9099 A special car. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: MILW Flat Cat 57026 With Auto Carriers & Banner
Photo: MILW Flat Cat 57026 With Auto Carriers & Banner A 1960 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture: https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/26811 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner
Photo: UP Boxcar 13356 With Banner A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture: https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/6527 Only a fair quality photo. Banner advertises motor oil. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car Co. Reefer 9200
Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car Co. Reefer 9200 A 1928 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture: https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/7020 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha Boxcar 23206
Photo: Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha Boxcar 23206 A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture: https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/4744 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: brakes
Dennis Storzek
I've never read that the Westinghouse brake schedule designations had any meaning beyond just being a designation for the schedule of equipment, but they had to come from somewhere. The meaning of C and D in the K brake schedules are pretty obvious, as are several generations of locomotive equipment; 6ET equipment was used to equip Engines and Tenders, 14EL equipment was used on Electric Locomotives, and 24RL was used on Road Locomotives. However, Westinghouse avoided attaching any significance to the letters, which left them free to use the next letter in line, or a different letter, when they developed an upgrade. P was the designation for the passenger triple valve that was contemporary with the K freight brake, but the next improvement was L, and M and R were used on electric railway motor cars.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Jeff Helm
Bruce,
Thank you, very helpful link to that PRR paint page! And, yes, reweigh date of course. -- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Jeff,
Don't put to much emphasis on early artwork. It will change. Especially since one of the putative single door car numbers is actually in the double door series (oops!). Note that it is not a "rebuild" date, but a reweigh date. Rapido has expressed their philosophy
that they like to produce cars with reweigh dates at the beginning of the period of the paint scheme. However:
1) reweigh dates are SIMPLE to change and so I never let that bother me and
2) Paint schemes often lasted well past the "changeover" date to a new scheme.
Jerry Britton has a nice web page detailing the changes in PRR paint at:
In 1965, most or all ball (or circle) keystone cars should be gone. Plain Keystone would be the most recent scheme (starting in 1961) but I would expect to see shadow keystone cars (starting in 1954).
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Helm <jeff.helm.60@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:25 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know I too have a similar question as raised by Jim, except for 1965. I “think” it’s some variation of Shadow Keystone, but I was unable to read the rebuild dates on Rapido’s illustrations for the cars.
-- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Jeff Helm
Sorry - re-weigh date, not rebuild
-- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know
Jeff Helm
I too have a similar question as raised by Jim, except for 1965. I “think” it’s some variation of Shadow Keystone, but I was unable to read the rebuild dates on Rapido’s illustrations for the cars.
-- Jeff Helm Bremerton WA
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Re: cut off disc "The good ones"
Don, Happily they gave me the Covid-86 shuffle. I am a model builder/house hog now. Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"
On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 04:15:35 PM CDT, Joseph Melhorn <toyman@...> wrote:
I still have a few “The Good Ones” left and also have not been able to find a source. However, Dremel has 1 ½” diameter by .020 wide reinforced cut off discs in their EZ Lock product line. Here’s the P/N: EZ409. You’ll have to buy the EZ Lock mandrel though. They’re .005” thinner than your “The Good Ones”, that you posted a pic of. Regards, Joe Melhorn Sahuarita, AZ
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Re: [PRR] PRR X31A facts you want to know
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
And you express surprise? Tony Thompson
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Re: brakes
Randy Hees
The original Westinghouse automatic brake valve was designated the "F" It was patented in 1872. It did not have "fast action". In general it was good for a train of 8-10 cars. The F valve did not meet the minimum standard (no valve did) at the first Burlington Air Brake trial in 1886, which used a 50 car train.. In response Westinghouse offered the "H" brake valve, which did have "fast action". In a fast action, the air brake valve not only applies air in response to dropping the air pressure in the train line, but also recognizes a rapid air pressure loss as an emergency, and in that case in addition to a maximum brake application the valve also vents the train line, reducing pressure in the train line. As a result the change in pressure is much more rapid, and the brakes apply much quicker.
The "K" valve was introduced in 1906/07 as an improved "H" valve. They used the same mounting flange (to the brake reservoir if a "HC" or "KC" ("F" used a different flange) Externally the only difference between a "H" and "K" was an added flange on the valve body casting. Westinghouse offered a kit to convert a "H" to a "K". That kit included a sheet metal flange to be added to the valve body to give the "H" valve the same silhouette as a "K". On the D&RG(W) "F" valves were used on tenders until the end of operation. Most passenger cars on the D&RG(W) had "F" valves, and they are in use on the C&TS historic cars. The D&RG freight car order of 1903 (3000 class box cars, 30' stock cars, & drop bottom gons all had "H" valves, all of which were converted to "K" with the added sheet metal flange. Randy Hees
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