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Re: brakes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dave, and thanks particularly for that link.  That merits some careful reading, I’m sure.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] brakes

 

Schuyler:

There is some conflicting information out there with respect to exact dates (e.g., the NMRA info looks suspect), but I tend to rely on the 1913 Westinghouse handbook for information about K brakes:

https://archive.org/details/westinghouseairb00inteuoft

My understanding is that Westinghouse came up with the "quick-action" triple valve in 1887 (replacing the "plain" valves), and rapidly cornered the marked on air-brake equipment. The first such triple was the "H" valve (H-1, H-2), which was the superseded by the "K" design sometime around the turn of the century (I can't find the exact date with a quick search).  These were just Westinghouse model designations, but they were the de facto industry standard, which is why you see "K-2 Triple" (or K-1) stenciled on so many pre-1927 cars.

In case the clinic didn't cover it, the K-1 valve was for use with 6- and 8-in diameter cylinders, while the K-2 was paired with 12-in cylinders.  KC was short for "cylinder and reservoir Combined", and KD for "cylinder and reservoir Detached".

Hope this helps with the K side of your questions.  I'll leave AB to someone who who models in that era.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Douglas Harding
 

Garth the photo Clark posted is on the MSTL, along the Story City branch out of Marshalltown. Location is northern Story County. I live about 15 miles from McCallsburg.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know

 

Clark,

 

Nice photo. What road? I love the attempt at streamlining.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:36 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

erieblt2
 

Good eye! I think removing the placard without a ladder(or being at a loading dock)would be tough! Placard boards in photos often seem to have kept their paint more than I saw in real life. Bill S

On Jun 14, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro wrote:

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

    A former railroad clerk I talked to about route cards and placards, when asked if the old ones were removed before adding new ones, replied "Why? Just tack 'em on top." Photos do exist of placards partly ripped off, likely "disabling" them without taking time to cleanly remove them.

Tony Thompson




Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:39 -0700, you wrote:

According to Rapido the X31a boxcar is still in design status. I would expect them in 2nd quarter 2021 at earliest.
The announcement newsletter from Friday said tooling is almost
complete and had pictures of some of the tooling. Expected order
deadline is late summer or early fall

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Rapido-News-126---Two-New-Freight-Cars-and-More-Videos-.html?soid=1101318906379&aid=TvpfYrn_IGY

The Facebook Live Friday it was indicated they expect first samples
hopefully by the end of this month.


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Bruce Smith
 

Ken,

Help me to understand your last line. Do you mean to order a double door X31A because they are rarer? Isn't that backwards? Within the X31A class, the ration of single to DD is about 12:1. In the fleet of all X31s, the ration of single to double door is about 2:1, so either way, the odds are in favor of seeing the single door car, more than the double door car.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know
 

Hindsight presentation was enough for die hard early 1950's SP modeler like me to order one for interchange traffic. DD as those are harder to come by.

--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 14, 2020, at 09:09, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers
Hark hark, a car load of Larks, in particular. That wasn't so very long after steam disappeared from the SP...
--
Memories of Malleys eastward from Roseville!


Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

    A former railroad clerk I talked to about route cards and placards, when asked if the old ones were removed before adding new ones, replied "Why? Just tack 'em on top." Photos do exist of placards partly ripped off, likely "disabling" them without taking time to cleanly remove them.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

Lee
 

Mmm, great photo but the guy is offloading tires stacked in a box car... 


Lee

On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 12:16, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

A 1932 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/26672

OK. I know some of you are thinking these plumbing fixtures look like tires, but read the sign. These must be very large faucet washers.

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Clark,

Nice photo. What road? I love the attempt at streamlining.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:36 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Ken Adams
 

According to Rapido the X31a boxcar is still in design status. I would expect them in 2nd quarter 2021 at earliest.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: brakes

Ken Adams
 

And here I thought KD's were model couplers.....
--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Ken Adams
 

Hindsight presentation was enough for die hard early 1950's SP modeler like me to order one for interchange traffic. DD as those are harder to come by.

--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

Gary Roe
 

It looks like they are getting ready to unload those cars, using the truck as a portable ramp.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 11:09:56 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

A 1960 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/27275

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Jeff Helm
 

Mark

Thank you, I had not seen this PDF announcement, only the web site preorder page itself.
--
Jeff Helm
Bremerton WA


S&T 2020 participants and kits

John Barry
 

Greg Martin passed before he could forward me the list of this year's Shake-N-Take participants.  I have purchased the missing underframes and am preparing to send them to those that received kits that did not have them.  But I only know of 10 of the 20 folks in that situation.  Please review the lists below.  

If you attended S&T 2020 at CCB, received a kit and are not on either of these lists, please respond to this e-mail and indicate if that kit had an underframe or not. Those that did not were marked with a red stripe.  If it didn't, I will need your mailing address.

The following folks received kits without underframes at CCB 2020 

Fenton

Wells

Monte

Switzer

Mike

Smeltzer

Richard

Townsend

Schuyler

Larrabee

Kevin

von der Lippe

Mike

Skibbe

Murray

Helton

Chuck

Davis

Ken

O'Brien


 I have the addresses for these ten folks, I plan to mail your UFs this week.


These folks attended and received kits with underframes: 

Ed

Shoben

Dr J Brent

Greer

Roger

Hinman

Tom

Sinks

Mark

Kapka

Alex

Schneider

Steve

Hile

Bill

Raymond

Bill

Darnaby

George

Corral

Steve

Orth

Tony

Thompson

Al

Brown

Greg

Martin

Keith

Retterer

 

No action needed if you are on the second list. 




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Photo: NP Boxcar 6030 With Banner

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Boxcar 6030 With Banner

A 1923 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/4761

This was part of several boxcars carrying automobiles for one consignee.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

A 1932 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/26672

OK. I know some of you are thinking these plumbing fixtures look like tires, but read the sign. These must be very large faucet washers.

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

A 1960 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/27275

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Barrels Secured In A Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Barrels Secured In A Boxcar

A 1926 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/6274

Evidently, items for a hardware company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: NP Boxcar 35744

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: NP Boxcar 35744

A 1901 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/22626

It says "Air Brake" on the car but maybe the hand brake is what was needed.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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