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Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Observe how this special car was provided with just the right number of panels to accept the word “TRANSCONTINENTAL.”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:45 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

 

Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

A 1930 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/9099

A special car.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Whale not included.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 2:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

 

      Anybody wanna model this? Could be a Shake 'n' Take . . .

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Todd Sullivan
 

And the odor.  I guess you'd have to come up with essences of either embalming fluid or decomposing whale to provide in the kit.  Phew!

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Todd Sullivan
 

Ed Bommer said,

"Not just the embalmed whale presumably inside the rail car, but what about that automobile?
There seems to be a tow line connecting its back end to the railroad with a whale inside.
Perhaps this photo was arranged by an automobile dealer to advertise on how powerful that new car was?"

Or maybe he was offering a whale of a deal.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Tony Thompson
 

Decals. Decals are always the problem.

   There are alway ways to get decals produced. Modeling the interior of this load will be the challenge <g>.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Richard Townsend
 

Decals. Decals are always the problem.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

      Anybody wanna model this? Could be a Shake 'n' Take . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: brakes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thank you, Randy, this is great background information.  Much appreciated.

 

Schuyler

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Hees
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 8:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] brakes

 

The original Westinghouse automatic brake valve was designated the "F"  It was patented in 1872.   It did not have "fast action".  In general it was good for a train of 8-10 cars.  The F valve did not meet the minimum standard (no valve did) at the first Burlington Air Brake trial in 1886, which used a 50 car train..  In response Westinghouse offered the "H" brake valve, which did have "fast action".  In a fast action, the air brake valve not only applies air in response to dropping the air pressure in the train line, but also recognizes a rapid air pressure loss as an emergency, and in that case in addition to a maximum brake application the valve also vents the train line, reducing pressure in the train line.  As a result the change in pressure is much more rapid, and the brakes apply much quicker.

The "K" valve was introduced in 1906/07 as an improved "H" valve.  They used the same mounting flange (to the brake reservoir if a "HC" or "KC" ("F" used a different flange) Externally the only difference between a "H" and "K" was an added flange on the valve body casting.  Westinghouse offered a kit to convert a "H" to a "K".  That kit included a sheet metal flange to be added to the valve body to give the "H" valve the same silhouette as a "K".

On the D&RG(W) "F" valves were used on tenders until the end of operation.  Most passenger cars on the D&RG(W) had "F" valves, and they are in use on the C&TS historic cars.  The D&RG freight car order of 1903 (3000 class box cars, 30' stock cars, & drop bottom gons all had "H" valves, all of which were converted to "K" with the added sheet metal flange.

Randy Hees


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

Tony Thompson
 

      Anybody wanna model this? Could be a Shake 'n' Take . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

np328
 

Thank you also Mark for the PDF link, 
  like Jeff I was not aware of this link from the Rapido blurb I recv'd in the e-mail letter a few days ago. 
That would have greatly cleared things up however now it's all good. 
I can see reserving some more than one although six seems overboard. Three would have been a good number.
I'll contact the LHS.                Jim Dick - Roseville, MN  


Re: Photo: Embalmed Whale Carrier

erieblt2
 

Now that’s a...unique freight car!


On Jun 14, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Edward <edb8381@...> wrote:

Not just the embalmed whale presumably inside the rail car, but what about that automobile?
There seems to be a tow line connecting its back end to the railroad with a whale inside.
Perhaps this photo was arranged by an automobile dealer to advertise on how powerful that new car was?

Ed Bommer


Re: brakes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dave, and thanks particularly for that link.  That merits some careful reading, I’m sure.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] brakes

 

Schuyler:

There is some conflicting information out there with respect to exact dates (e.g., the NMRA info looks suspect), but I tend to rely on the 1913 Westinghouse handbook for information about K brakes:

https://archive.org/details/westinghouseairb00inteuoft

My understanding is that Westinghouse came up with the "quick-action" triple valve in 1887 (replacing the "plain" valves), and rapidly cornered the marked on air-brake equipment. The first such triple was the "H" valve (H-1, H-2), which was the superseded by the "K" design sometime around the turn of the century (I can't find the exact date with a quick search).  These were just Westinghouse model designations, but they were the de facto industry standard, which is why you see "K-2 Triple" (or K-1) stenciled on so many pre-1927 cars.

In case the clinic didn't cover it, the K-1 valve was for use with 6- and 8-in diameter cylinders, while the K-2 was paired with 12-in cylinders.  KC was short for "cylinder and reservoir Combined", and KD for "cylinder and reservoir Detached".

Hope this helps with the K side of your questions.  I'll leave AB to someone who who models in that era.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Douglas Harding
 

Garth the photo Clark posted is on the MSTL, along the Story City branch out of Marshalltown. Location is northern Story County. I live about 15 miles from McCallsburg.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know

 

Clark,

 

Nice photo. What road? I love the attempt at streamlining.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:36 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

erieblt2
 

Good eye! I think removing the placard without a ladder(or being at a loading dock)would be tough! Placard boards in photos often seem to have kept their paint more than I saw in real life. Bill S

On Jun 14, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Bob Chaparro wrote:

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

    A former railroad clerk I talked to about route cards and placards, when asked if the old ones were removed before adding new ones, replied "Why? Just tack 'em on top." Photos do exist of placards partly ripped off, likely "disabling" them without taking time to cleanly remove them.

Tony Thompson




Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Gerald Henriksen
 

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:20:39 -0700, you wrote:

According to Rapido the X31a boxcar is still in design status. I would expect them in 2nd quarter 2021 at earliest.
The announcement newsletter from Friday said tooling is almost
complete and had pictures of some of the tooling. Expected order
deadline is late summer or early fall

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Rapido-News-126---Two-New-Freight-Cars-and-More-Videos-.html?soid=1101318906379&aid=TvpfYrn_IGY

The Facebook Live Friday it was indicated they expect first samples
hopefully by the end of this month.


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Bruce Smith
 

Ken,

Help me to understand your last line. Do you mean to order a double door X31A because they are rarer? Isn't that backwards? Within the X31A class, the ration of single to DD is about 12:1. In the fleet of all X31s, the ration of single to double door is about 2:1, so either way, the odds are in favor of seeing the single door car, more than the double door car.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A facts you want to know
 

Hindsight presentation was enough for die hard early 1950's SP modeler like me to order one for interchange traffic. DD as those are harder to come by.

--
Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 14, 2020, at 09:09, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Trailer Train Autorack With Studebakers
Hark hark, a car load of Larks, in particular. That wasn't so very long after steam disappeared from the SP...
--
Memories of Malleys eastward from Roseville!


Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

    A former railroad clerk I talked to about route cards and placards, when asked if the old ones were removed before adding new ones, replied "Why? Just tack 'em on top." Photos do exist of placards partly ripped off, likely "disabling" them without taking time to cleanly remove them.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

Lee
 

Mmm, great photo but the guy is offloading tires stacked in a box car... 


Lee

On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 12:16, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Unloading Plumbing Fixtures

A 1932 photo from the Northwest Museum of Arts & Culture:

https://ferrisarchives.northwestmuseum.org/Item/Index/26672

OK. I know some of you are thinking these plumbing fixtures look like tires, but read the sign. These must be very large faucet washers.

Seriously, were there any regulations about removing placards that were no longer needed?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: PRR X31A facts you want to know

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Clark,

Nice photo. What road? I love the attempt at streamlining.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 10:36 AM Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I've attached a Bill Armstrong photo take on a lowly branchline in central Iowa. Shows they crawled out on some of the skinniest limbs  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Ken Adams
 

According to Rapido the X31a boxcar is still in design status. I would expect them in 2nd quarter 2021 at earliest.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

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