Date   

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

CJ Riley
 

In Pittsburgh they were cement trucks to the Italian construction workers but concrete trucks to the rest. Often called “Italian ice cream!”




Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Douglas Harding
 

Elden, the HM and HT are open hoppers. The GS & GBS are gons. The LO is one of the MSTL covered hoppers used for company sand. They only had 10 of these cars.

 

Also note that Clark has typed an extra 0 in the MSTL LO listing.

 

It is quite possible an error was contained in the handwritten documents from which Clark has transcribed into his spreadsheet.

 

From another source, on the MSTL:

7/6/1945 NH 60587 load of sand to Clare Iowa

 

7/13/1947 PRR 334732 sand to Iowa Highway Commission at Dallas Center IA

7/13/1947 NH 58108 sand to Iowa Highway Commission at Dallas Center IA

7/13/1947 MSTL 30423 sand to Iowa Highway Commission at Dallas Center IA

 

7/16/1947 MSTL 30291 Co sand

8/8/1947 CBQ 166113 sand to Grand Jct IA

 

MSTL 30423 & 30291 were GA all steel 41’ drop bottom gons

You’ll have to look up the other cars yourself.

 

Doug  Harding (another MSTL fan)

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Very interesting, Clark.  Are you saying these were all gons?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Bruce Smith
 

Charlie,

The X31B/C would need a new mold. Much easier to get X31s out of  the current mold with floor tubes and end fixtures (maybe an etched brass part?). The single door flush roof cars such as N&W would also require a completely new mold.

Regards,
Bruce


On Jun 16, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-
Since Rapido is still in the early design phases they could add the X31b and gain a couple more road names and additional paint schemes.
Perhaps the PRR people can chime in on any more secondhand or subsequent sales of the X31 types…..
(hoping that we will see them in N Scale in the future)
Charlie Vlk
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO
 

Will Rapido paint them for Northern Pacific as ex-DT&I X31
b?

Different roof... too bad :-(

Tim O'Connor




On 6/12/2020 3:42 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
They have just sent out an email announcing this car, both single and
double door, with tooling almost complete.
 
They will be doing a Facebook Live today at 6pm EDT to discuss them.
 
https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-prr-x31a-boxcar
 

-- 
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts



Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

Douglas Harding
 

General Sand coming out of an open pit was exposed to the weather. So an open car, gon or hopper was the norm. Only specialty sands that were in bags or barrels would warrant a boxcar.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of reporterllc via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

 

What kind of car was used? I am referring to bulk sand from a pit that ships out sand and gravel. Perhaps this sand would not be that specialized. Wouldn't it need to be protected from the weather? On a side note, In the early 1970s (long after covered hoppers became popular) I remember a tower operator referring to an ancient gondola in a consist loaded with sand. I did not see it and wondered if it was covered.

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,

In addition to my clinic? ;) Yes, the RP Cyc did articles on the PRR cars, the cars PRR sold and the non-PRR clones or near clones.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al

On Jun 16, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is there documentation for the "inset" vs "flush" roof feature on the X31/X32 cars ? All of the NP
cars I've seen had the "flush" roofs.


On 6/16/2020 3:41 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
All-
Since Rapido is still in the early design phases they could add the X31b and gain a couple more road names and additional paint schemes.
Perhaps the PRR people can chime in on any more secondhand or subsequent sales of the X31 types…..
(hoping that we will see them in N Scale in the future)
Charlie Vlk


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Tim O'Connor
 


Is there documentation for the "inset" vs "flush" roof feature on the X31/X32 cars ? All of the NP
cars I've seen had the "flush" roofs.


On 6/16/2020 3:41 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

All-

Since Rapido is still in the early design phases they could add the X31b and gain a couple more road names and additional paint schemes.

Perhaps the PRR people can chime in on any more secondhand or subsequent sales of the X31 types…..

(hoping that we will see them in N Scale in the future)

Charlie Vlk

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

 


Will Rapido paint them for Northern Pacific as ex-DT&I X31b?

Different roof... too bad :-(

Tim O'Connor



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Rupert Gamlen
 

190000-191749 were twin hoppers in classes HT-1 to HT-4, built between 1926 and 1929 with an outside length of 35’ 1”.

190672 was an HT-2, built at Galesburg in 1927-8.

 

192000-193199 covered classes HT-5 and HT-5A built at Galesburg and Havelock between 1936 and 1945, basically identical to the earlier classes.
192362 was one of 300 built at Galesburg in 1936-7.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 7:00 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Clark,

 

I looked up my Q hopper roster to get the car classes, and I don’t find series 190000-191749 listed as such. I found 19000-19499 (HT-1) and 190500-190999 (HT-2). The next class I have is 192000-192599 (HT-5), 192600-193049 and 193100-193199 (HT-5A steel), and 193500-193749 (HT-5A composite). I don’t show any Q hoppers numbered 191000-191999. I also don’t have any information about a HT-3 or HT-4 class, which possibly could fill in the 191000 -191999 series. Is it possible that 191749 is a typo? If not where did you get the 1910000 series information?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Since Rapido is still in the early design phases they could add the X31b and gain a couple more road names and additional paint schemes.

Perhaps the PRR people can chime in on any more secondhand or subsequent sales of the X31 types…..

(hoping that we will see them in N Scale in the future)

Charlie Vlk

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

 


Will Rapido paint them for Northern Pacific as ex-DT&I X31
b?

Different roof... too bad :-(

Tim O'Connor




On 6/12/2020 3:42 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:

They have just sent out an email announcing this car, both single and
double door, with tooling almost complete.
 
They will be doing a Facebook Live today at 6pm EDT to discuss them.
 
https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-prr-x31a-boxcar
 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: C&IM coal gondola service?

Tim O'Connor
 


The run by of the freight with C&IM gondolas looks like the Santa Fe in Illinois - where I'd expect to see those cars.


On 6/12/2020 4:22 PM, vapeurchapelon wrote:

Hello friends,

here is a video showing the SANTA FE at war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggVR4nZ6OeY

The run-by at 7:20 has 3 of the distinctive large C&IM coal gondolas. I don't doubt that these cars would have been in interchange, but I personally only saw them in home-road coal drag service. What could have been the reason(s) for just a few of them running on other roads?

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

Drew M.
 

The CNJ regularly hauled sand out of the Vineland, NJ and Millville, NJ areas in 52' gondolas. The sand was just piled in the car - CNJ employees would joke that SJ-2 looked like a rolling sandstorm. The RDG had a series of 2 bay offset side hoppers they assigned to the same area to haul sand on the PRSL.

Drew Marshall, Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:56, "reporterllc via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>reporterllc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What kind of car was used? I am referring to bulk sand from a pit that ships out sand and gravel. Perhaps this sand would not be that specialized. Wouldn't it need to be protected from the weather? On a side note, In the early 1970s (long after covered hoppers became popular) I remember a tower operator referring to an ancient gondola in a consist loaded with sand. I did not see it and wondered if it was covered.

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Tim O'Connor
 


Reasonably inexpensive TUNGSTEN "grit" is available online - I bought some on Amazon.
This is poured into center sills or under the floor and it's denser than lead, not dangerous, etc.


On 6/12/2020 3:52 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Ben Hom wrote:

Plan ahead.  Figure out what will and won't be visible when the car is on the track to determine where you can hide weight.  To echo Richard Hendrickson, no point in modeling what won't be seen, and not modeling underframe or brake details in exchange for accommodating weight is a fair trade if you want the car to operate well.  Try to maximize the amount of weight for the volume available - if you can't cut pieces of sheet lead, consider using the smallest shot you can find.  (I'm not sold on more exotic solutions such as titanium dust as the cost doesn't seem to justify the incremental gain).  Consider using thin sheet brass or lead under the deck if possible, and metal trucks if the correct type is available.  Don't wait until the car is painted and decaled before deciding to add weight to the car (or work coupler and truck issues for that matter).

    Lead is significantly denser than brass. Titanium is rather less dense than either. I agree with Ben that lead is an excellent choice, especially in sheet form. You can readily buy this from roofers' supply stores (sometimes plumbers also) even if your local Big Box no longer carries it. And an advantage of lead is that it is so soft, you can readily "forge" pieces to fit where they need to go in an under frame. You barely need a hammer.
     There have occasionally been outbreaks of hysteria about the health dangers of lead. Well, lead in metallic form is not dangerous. It does have lead oxide on its surface, so do wash your hands after handling it, but beyond that, not to worry. 

Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Tim O'Connor
 


Will Rapido paint them for Northern Pacific as ex-DT&I X31b?

Different roof... too bad :-(

Tim O'Connor




On 6/12/2020 3:42 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
They have just sent out an email announcing this car, both single and
double door, with tooling almost complete.

They will be doing a Facebook Live today at 6pm EDT to discuss them.

https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-prr-x31a-boxcar


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Jim Betz
 

Schuyler,
  There is a town about 20 miles from me that used to have two cement
plants - Superior Cement and Washington Portland Cement and the
town is called "Concrete".  Actually it's a little more interesting than that
the town on the West side of the Baker River was called "Cement City".
Then they built the Superior cement plant in Baker on the East side of
the river - and when that was built they merged Cement City and Baker
into the town of "Concrete" (County of Skagit, State of Washington).
  Yes, you're correct in your terminology - but common use substitutes
Concrete for cement in many mouths - and vice versa ... and even a
small primarily two plant town calls itself Concrete when what they
make is cement.  The two cement plants were almost entirely built of
concrete and the schools in town were also of concrete construction
(as were other major buildings such as the Library).

  Concrete will be a significant town on the layout I'm building - perhaps
I should call it "Cement City" since I'm not going to do the entire town?
(Yes, there was also a lumber mill in Concrete.)
  I'll be hauling concrete in both early covered hoppers and box cars.
But any concrete being hauled around Concrete will be in - wait for it -
cement trucks.  ;-)
                                                                                                      - Jim


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Nelson Moyer
 

The HM cars are hoppers.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Very interesting, Clark.  Are you saying these were all gons?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Nelson Moyer
 

Clark,

 

I looked up my Q hopper roster to get the car classes, and I don’t find series 190000-191749 listed as such. I found 19000-19499 (HT-1) and 190500-190999 (HT-2). The next class I have is 192000-192599 (HT-5), 192600-193049 and 193100-193199 (HT-5A steel), and 193500-193749 (HT-5A composite). I don’t show any Q hoppers numbered 191000-191999. I also don’t have any information about a HT-3 or HT-4 class, which possibly could fill in the 191000 -191999 series. Is it possible that 191749 is a typo? If not where did you get the 1910000 series information?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

Todd Sullivan
 

I worked for Corning Incorporated (formerly Corning Glass Works) for a while.  Corning has made a wide variety of products from telescope lenses to kitchen ware to optical fiber to catalytic converter cores from silica over the years.  The silica (the technical name for sand) has been shipped by covered hopper since the mid or late 1960s.  In the 1920s - 50s, boxcars were used.  Loss and breakage in this business was always a problem.  Corning was the first mass-producer of electric light bulb globes - the glass part of a bulb - and they just loaded them in bulk into a boxcar and allowed 25% breakage.

Todd Sullivan 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Jeffrey White
 

The IC car is a 55 ton open hopper.  Built in 1949 by Pullman Standard.  From the car diagram it looks like the Alternate Standard Offset Hopper that the IC had thousands of.

Jeff White

Alma, IL

On 6/16/2020 1:45 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Very interesting, Clark.  Are you saying these were all gons?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Very interesting, Clark.  Are you saying these were all gons?

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Below are some examples of sand cars. Beings this is an M&StL list there were lots of their GS gons. I only copied one.

RR

NO_

SERIES

TYPE1

CARGO

DATE

CB&Q

190672

190000-191749

HM

sand

10/2/59

CB&Q

192362

192000-193199

HM

sand

9/4/59

DTI

7023

7000-7299

GBS

sand

9/2/59

GN

74989

74500-74999

GS

sand       

"9-11-50"

IC

93646

92000-93749

HM

sand       

"7-28-50"

M&StL

30487

30001-30499

GS

sand

7/15/59

M&StL

65181

65001-65255

HM

sand

4/25/59

M&StL

66013

66001-66499

HT

sand       

"7-15-48"

M&StL

70005

700003-70017

LO

sand

6/19/59

WAB

37263

37000-37799

HM

sand

8/14/59

WAB

37552

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/28/59

WAB

37786

37000-37799

HM

sand

9/30/59


Re: Photo: PFE/WP Reefer With Load Of Wines & Cordials

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro  wrote:

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer With Load Of Wines & Cordials

An undated photo (Reweigh date 2-1932) from the Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A7204

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Click on the photo and scroll.


    Clearly a post-Prohibition photo, so we know the earliest it can be dated!

Tony Thompson




Photo: PFE/WP Reefer With Load Of Wines & Cordials

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE/WP Reefer With Load Of Wines & Cordials

An undated photo (Reweigh date 2-1932) from the Louisiana Digital Library:

https://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/hnoc-clf%3A7204

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The car was built in 1924. Notice the recently discussed star next to the Load Limit stencil.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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