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Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for the HT-3 and HT-4 series ranges.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rupert Gamlen
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HT-3 191000-191499

HT-4 191500-191749


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 11:14 am
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Thanks Rupert. My list doesn’t include HT-3 and HT-4 so I need the information on those for my hopper roster.

 


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Dennis Storzek
 

Why does everyone always go off on the dates the interns at these university libraries enter? They know absolutely nothing about railroads, or cars, or ships... they are just told to enter all the information found on the photo, or associated with the photo, such as it was in a box marked "1950." It really is better that they preserve the info; maybe 1950 is a significant date for the AMC organization, maybe it could be used to tell what predecessor company the photo came from. It's up the end user, who is supposedly an expert, to establish the true date. It's certainly better than just making something up, which is what some of the local historical societies seem to do.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Rupert Gamlen
 

HT-3 191000-191499

HT-4 191500-191749


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2020 11:14 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

 

Thanks Rupert. My list doesn’t include HT-3 and HT-4 so I need the information on those for my hopper roster.


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Dave Parker
 

CStPM&O 12000-12311 series flat cars, odd nos. only, CAPY = 70,000 lbs.

7 left in my 1930 ORER
0 in my 1935
0 in my 1938

Unfortunately flat-car lettering was so minimal it doesn't provide many clues as to pre- or post-1927 ARA lettering.  But clearly "1950s" is not really close.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


FW: Burr Oak Shops

Aley, Jeff A
 

Forwarded from the RockIslandLines list.  It looks like a few pages are missing – hopefully they’re present at the Hathitrust website.

 


Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

From: RockIslandLines@groups.io <RockIslandLines@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Long
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:38 PM
To: RockIslandLines@groups.io
Subject: [RockIslandLines] Burr Oak Shops

 

Here’s a surprise find in this book on Car Shop Practices – a guided tour of getting a car rebuilt in Chicago.  In case of images not sending please use the link to the document.

 

 

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112039482564&view=1up&seq=274&size=125

 

 

 

 

 

 

Page scan of sequence 271

 

 

 

 

 

Page scan of sequence 274

 

Page scan of sequence 275

 

 

 


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

mel perry
 

i think who ever categorized or archived
this photo, made a mistake with the date,
wooden flatcar with truss rods and arch
bar trucks, not lkely in the 1950's, also i
doubt AMC existed as an entity  in 1899?
and then there's the photo itself, looks
considerably older than the "50's"
just a thought
mel perry


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 12:38 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with


Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Edward
 

Likely a Nash shipment of the late 1920's - early 1930's.
It and Studebaker were fairly popular makes back then, competing with lower and middle makes of the time.
Both companies had a sizeable export business until the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act became law.

The merger with Hudson, a more up-market make at that time, was still a few decades away.
Did anyone notice the rows of canted poles in the background?
Could that be the North Shore line, if those boxed autos (likely built as right hand drive as well), were coming from the Nash factory in Kenosha?

Ed Bommer


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

The first car has a 4-99 built date. I can’t find a readable weigh date stencil.

 

All but one flat car here have truss rods.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:55 PM
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Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

al_brown03
 

Are those arch-bar trucks on the near car?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Not all, but certainly most. At least one non-truss rod flat on the far end. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:55 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

gary laakso
 

Those all appear to be truss rod flat cars and that suggests the purported date is way off.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Andy Cich
 

A very good example of this is the recent Resin Car Works release of a SOO 50’ double door boxcar. These cars were built with the double doors centered to facilitate paper loading. Yet, the word AUTOMOBILE was on the side of the car when built.

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

 

Bruce Smith wrote:



Note, that they can still be marked "AUTOMOBILES" as is one of the Rapido models. A number of these (X31A DD) cars were used in auto parts service. So, haul the completed product in X31 and X31C cars, haul the parts in X31A and X31B cars. 

 

   One more time: the notation "AUTOMOBILE" on a car did NOT mean, repeat, did NOT mean it was in auto parts or automobile service. It only meant it was a double-door box car, by AAR definition. Huge numbers of 40-ft. and 50-ft. double-door box cars on many railroads were so labeled and never carried an automobile or carton of auto parts, nor were intended to.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

Note, that they can still be marked "AUTOMOBILES" as is one of the Rapido models. A number of these (X31A DD) cars were used in auto parts service. So, haul the completed product in X31 and X31C cars, haul the parts in X31A and X31B cars. 

   One more time: the notation "AUTOMOBILE" on a car did NOT mean, repeat, did NOT mean it was in auto parts or automobile service. It only meant it was a double-door box car, by AAR definition. Huge numbers of 40-ft. and 50-ft. double-door box cars on many railroads were so labeled and never carried an automobile or carton of auto parts, nor were intended to.

Tony Thompson




Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Bruce Smith
 

Guy,

That is correct. The Rapido double door cars are class X31A.  These are general service box cars with no automobile loaders and hence no tubes, fixtures or door markings. Note, that they can still be marked "AUTOMOBILES" as is one of the Rapido models. A number of these (X31A DD) cars were used in auto parts service. So, haul the completed product in X31 and X31C cars, haul the parts in X31A and X31B cars. 

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO
 
Bruce Smith wrote:

"The X31B/C would need a new mold. Much easier to get X31s out of  the current mold with floor tubes and end fixtures (maybe an etched brass part?)"

Bruce,

Is it safe to assume that the original offerings of double door models will not be available with floor tubes and appropriate door markings?  

Thank You,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 


 


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Don DeLay
 

Here's one of my Red Caboose SP F-70-7's with lead shot glued underneath. 

Don DeLay


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

Mont Switzer
 

Well Dennis, you got me there.  That will teach me to be a wise guy.  Mont 



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From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 6/17/20 11:31 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Covered Hoppers Became Popular

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:58 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:
(all railroads dieselized in the steam era I believe)
I donno Mont. It was well into the diesel era before the CSS&SB (South Shore) dieselized.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Rapido PRR X31A Boxcar in HO

Guy Wilber
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

"The X31B/C would need a new mold. Much easier to get X31s out of  the current mold with floor tubes and end fixtures (maybe an etched brass part?)"

Bruce,

Is it safe to assume that the original offerings of double door models will not be available with floor tubes and appropriate door markings?  

Thank You,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 


 

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Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

I lived in Sewell, NJ, on the P-RSL in the 1950s and saw exactly the same thing.; sand in long gondolas. I don't remember any Reading hoppers. Sewell was on the line that passed through Vineland to Millville.

You could always tell if the train had stopped because there would be little piles of sand where it had leaked through any opening in the floor.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonits Springs, FL


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From: Drew M. via groups.io <phillydrewcifer@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2020 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

The CNJ regularly hauled sand out of the Vineland, NJ and Millville, NJ areas in 52' gondolas. The sand was just piled in the car - CNJ employees would joke that SJ-2 looked like a rolling sandstorm. The RDG had a series of 2 bay offset side hoppers they assigned to the same area to haul sand on the PRSL.

Drew Marshall, Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:56, "reporterllc via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>reporterllc=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What kind of car was used? I am referring to bulk sand from a pit that ships out sand and gravel. Perhaps this sand would not be that specialized. Wouldn't it need to be protected from the weather? On a side note, In the early 1970s (long after covered hoppers became popular) I remember a tower operator referring to an ancient gondola in a consist loaded with sand. I did not see it and wondered if it was covered.

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com


Re: Photo: Boxcar Underframe

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitallibrary.tulane.edu/islandora/object/tulane:327
This photo was bugging me as I can't ever recall seeing a draft gear like this, so I did some research. Turns out this is a pattented Commonwealth "Transom Draft Gear". The springing is contained in the body bolster. They are illustrated on page 510 of the 1922 CBC. It appears to be combined with a Commonwealth cast steel replacement underframe.

Dennis Storzek

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