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Re: Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

Ken Adams
 

As it is 1943 they are probably military tank trailers being taken to docks for loading to send to buildup in England for Normandy invasion.
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: What Is This Fellow Doing?

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

What Is This Fellow Doing?

A photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839374/

The fellow appears to have a chalk stick in his hand but instead of making a mark on the car body or trucks, he appears to be writing on a route/destination card.


    I think he's attaching a route card. He's not holding a chalk stick but a tacker.

Tony Thompson




What Is This Fellow Doing?

Bob Chaparro
 

What Is This Fellow Doing?

A photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839374/

The fellow appears to have a chalk stick in his hand but instead of making a mark on the car body or trucks, he appears to be writing on a route/destination card.

Seems odd to me, or maybe this is a staged photo.

Opinions?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Louie B. Hydrick
 

Greetings,

Look again Ben!

To the right of the repack stencil, there is a stencil that reads "REPAIRED SP . 11 . 52"

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Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Bruce Smith
 

On Cody's Office this week (Kalmbach, Model Railroader), Cody Grivno showed Woodland Scenic's tungsten putty, which is a moldable tungsten "clay"-like product that you can cram into spaces like center sills and underbodies. I was not aware of this product until then.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?
 
If you build or look at the instructions for one of the Owl Mountain's  SP F-50-xx kits you will see Jason Hill's very ingenious design for small straight side sill flat car weighting that would be ideal if the weights used are available from his supplier. It is a design that upside down viewing will reveal an un-prototype arrangement but it is your choice of that or just a mantelpiece model. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Mont Switzer, when will your models be ready??  A MONON flat with tank truck trailers?  Obviously you MUST model this.  😊

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

 

Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

This is a link to a 1943 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/113/rec/722

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Nice detail of the blocking and cables.

And here is an excellent Bruce Smith model, courtesy of the Prototype Railroad Topics blog:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--LkUqqXFyPs/XiGcRt1pWRI/AAAAAAAAC0Q/JyTY15gb_eEIVlpK0Ub8VtJsIQLoQQItgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/20200110-IMG_4704.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What methods do you use to add weight to an empty flatcar?

Ken Adams
 

If you build or look at the instructions for one of the Owl Mountain's  SP F-50-xx kits you will see Jason Hill's very ingenious design for small straight side sill flat car weighting that would be ideal if the weights used are available from his supplier. It is a design that upside down viewing will reveal an un-prototype arrangement but it is your choice of that or just a mantelpiece model. 
--
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff Aley wrote:
"Hmm.  I think a similarly-worded response would be “yes, it does.”  But I’ll refrain from the all caps."

I'll concede this one, but I'll guarantee people will continue to misconstrue the reweigh date again, including many on this list who should know better.


Ben Hom 


Re: Hauling Sand before Coverd Hoppers Became Popular

 

Los Angeles Junction Ry served two bottle makers. They each got 9 hoppers of silica sand & one of limestone per day that came from Santa Fe Ry (parent company). The sand came from near Oceanside & the limestone off the 1st District.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hmm.  I think a similarly-worded response would be “yes, it does.”  But I’ll refrain from the all caps.

 

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

 

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Claus,

 

I see three different cities on the first three boxes. We have also seen other older images over the years where crates are stenciled with a manufacturer name. Crates labeled Case and Essex come to mind. A 1923 image on the Historic Lackawanna collection also shows tarps stenciled with the Buick name.

If these loads are from the Kenosha area, the Winther Motor Company is another possible manufacturer. This article mentions a 500 auto shipment to Australia in 1917.
https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Article/CS381

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Eric,

 

Can’t help wondering whether “B&W” has more do with the cargo’s destination than with the manufacturer, especially with “Auckland,” presumably New Zealand.

 

Just a thought.

 

Pax,

 

 

Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

 

From: Eric Hansmann

Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

While the photo caption notes AMC companies, the boxes are stenciled for B&W. What vehicle company was that? Determining this company should pin point a photo reference year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Hi Bob and List Members,

 

I think the date on this has already been called into question by another list member.

 

I can see that the build date on the nearest flat is 4-99, which I take to be April 1899. It is a 35 ton car.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:38 PM

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

 

Photo: Boxed Automobiles On Flatcars

A circa early 1950s photo from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Libraries:

https://search.library.wisc.edu/digital/A7KI7ODJT7DHJ68R

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Boxcars loaded with Nash or AMC cars to be shipped by railroad, ending up in Australia and New Zealand. Each boxcar is stamped with its destination. In 1954, Nash-Kelvinator Corporation joined with Hudson Motor Car Company to create the American Motors Corporation."

Of course, these are flatcars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Steve and Barb Hile
 

You are both right.  There is a small stencil just to the right of the reweigh date that says it was also repaired in 11-52.  The bearings were repacked at that same time and, obviously, the car has been recently painted.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

 

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Norm Buckhart
 

Correct Ben - here’s the rule:


norm buckhart

On Jun 18, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.


Ben Hom



Re: Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268 
Stencil says car repaired in November 1952."

NO, IT DOES NOT.  It indicated that the car was REWEIGHED in November 1952.  There might have been repairs to trigger reweighing, but meeting periodic requirements is just as likely.

That date remains one of the most misunderstood elements of freight car lettering, and many enthusiasts can't seem to get it right.


Ben Hom


Photo: Packing Shed At St. Elmo, Missouri, With Refrigerator Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Packing Shed At St. Elmo, Missouri, With Refrigerator Cars

This is a link to a 1902 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/Fruitful/id/83/rec/293

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo but it's a bit dark. The identities of the refrigerator cars cannot be determined.

Notice the advertisement on the car nearest to the camera. It is for Ruddock, Trench & Company, a Los Angeles and Riverside, CA, orange shipper. I found several crate labels for that company:

https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt5j49r28n/?brand=oac4

https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt4v19r0v4/?brand=oac4

https://witherells.com/lot/fruit-label-bouquet-brand-by-ruddock-trench-co-california-3958623

https://witherells.com/lot/fruit-label-snowball-brand-oranges-by-ruddock-trench-and-co-of-california-3958728

There is some evidence that the company's Riverside packing house was served by the Southern Pacific.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tank Trailers On Flat Cars

This is a link to a 1943 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/113/rec/722

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Nice detail of the blocking and cables.

And here is an excellent Bruce Smith model, courtesy of the Prototype Railroad Topics blog:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--LkUqqXFyPs/XiGcRt1pWRI/AAAAAAAAC0Q/JyTY15gb_eEIVlpK0Ub8VtJsIQLoQQItgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/20200110-IMG_4704.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Hopper 90538

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Hopper 90538

This is a link to a 1948 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/91/rec/430

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

The build date for this car was 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Hopper 91062

This is a link to a 1952 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/2/rec/268

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Description:

"Hopper car SF 91062 showing new style stenciling and monogram application. Photographed at North Springfield on November 10,1952 at request of Mr. Spangler."

The build date for this car was 1949.

Stencil says car repaired in November 1952.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Boxcar 17174

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Boxcar 17174

This is a link to a 1951 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/100/rec/84

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

The build date for this car was 1948.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: SLSF Boxcar 32006

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SLSF Boxcar 32006

This is a link to a 1955 photo from the Missouri State Digital Collections:

https://digitalcollections.missouristate.edu/digital/collection/FriscoLab/id/111/rec/82

Use the Expand box in the upper right hand corner of the photo to enlarge it and scroll to enlarger it further. This is a very clear photo.

Original build date for this outside braced car was 1930. Car appears to have metal sheathing.

Notice stencil: "For "AA" loading only. See Interior Stenciling".

Notice the lowered placard and tack boards. My notes indicate that in 1954  placard boards & route card/tack boards were lowered as a recommendation. In 1952 only route card/tack boards were lowered. The Car Construction Committee attempted lowering the placard boards as well, but needed approval from the Bureau of Explosives, which would not be granted until 1953. This was also agreed by the union for carmen and others affected.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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