I'm sure there is someone on the list who can tell me when Seaboard starting painting some box cars silver, such as the Kadee PS-1 that is out there (could be after the time frame of this list). I would appreciate the help.

Tony Thompson
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The MRH paint mapping guide suggests Vallejo Scarlet Red 72.712 for floquil oxide red.

Scarlet red looks very very red. Has anyone actually used this color and can offer an opinion before I buy a bottle.

Brian J. Carlson

Roger Hinman commented,

"Not all Cudahy’s were the same company which adds to the confusion.  The largest of them was the Cudahy Packing Co in South Omaha and later many locations. They also had the Cudahy tank line and produce line when listed.   Cudahy Milw Rfg Line was run by Cudahy Brothers in Milwaukee, later Cudahy, WI. Their brothers ran the larger business in So Omaha.

And then there are various small efforts made by John Cudahy who was a part owner of the Milwaukee company but also had some of his own private ventures. My suspicion is the car shown in the Union Fibre book has CRL reporting marks. The Old Dutch Cleanser was a trademark of the Cudahy Packing Company."

I am not an expert in lead toxicology, but I used to work with people who are.  If you are using lead flashing (or shot) to weight freight cars, the needed safety precautions are minimal:

-  keep your hands out of your mouth
-  wash them when done (or wear disposable gloves)
-  don't sand it so as to create dust

Acute toxicity, and dermal exposure, are primarily a  concern with organo-lead compounds (like tetraethyl-lead in gasoline).

The long-term chronic effects of inorganic lead ingestion are much more significant in young children who are still developing cognitively.  Most of us here are well past that part of the brain development curve.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

When were burro cranes or their like first introduced?

Dave Bott

Friday, June 19, 2020, 11:04:26 AM, you wrote:

Locomotive cranes  were found on the C&O, though apparently not in the numbers seen on some other railroads. In contrast to the meticulous  listing of C&O's wreckers, data on smaller cranes is very scattered and hard to find. I personally only photographed one  crane; RC-24, an Industrial Works/Industrial Brownhoist Model N of at least 60 tons capacity used for bridge work. Burro cranes are a special case. They are usually numbered in with the track machines (such as tampers, spike drivers, etc.), and the numbers  tend to be scattered all over. Lifting capacities are tied to the  model number, which can be found cast into the rear of the cab, under the trade name "Burro". For example. a Model 30 is good for 7½ tons. John C. La Rue, Jr. Bonita Springs, FL

I must say I love the debate.  It is like theoretical vs empirical physics...

I think I like the idea of cutting to width and gluing lead strips in the center of a side sill best so far for simplicity and for time to complete. Only concern is "safety" of lead vs tungsten.

I could see how powdered tungsten applied and glued in thin layers could also work, but might take longer and be more tedious.

Just remember the goal is to provide a weight to the steam era freight car that is sufficient for reliable operations purposes (since a static model's weight wouldn't matter).  Theoretical maximums may not even be necessary.

Reminds me of the new engineering intern who provided detailed analyses that showed heating plant X to be the most thermodynamically and cost efficient to replace the old system.  And then the seasoned engineer pointed out that the physical dimensions of that theoretically best unit were about 30% greater than any known access point into the building.  Gotta keep the ultimate goal in mind.  Of course some find noodling on the ideas a hobby in and of itself!

Having fun...

Dave

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Is there an archie for RMC? I have a Sunshine kit #2.1 for a C&NW boxcar in the yellow/green scheme.
There's a note written inside o see an article in the Sept. 1994 RMC and I'd like to see it.

    JimH

Ahh, this is right up my alley. Notes and comments follow:

The initial contract to Schoen Pressed Steel was for 200 cars to Schoen's design (5501-5700) and 400 cars to Carnegie's design (5701-6100), with another 400 Schoen-design cars (6101-6500) added on later.
PB&LE 6501-8100 were followup orders of the Schoen 28-foot design in 1899-1901.

There were at least five primary variants of the Type 1 (fishbelly side sill) hopper:
28-foot inside length: PB&LE orders
29-foot inside length: P&LE 11900-11999, PMcK&Y 13500-13549, P&W 4000-4449 (to B&O 25550-25999)
30-foot inside length with 9'6" inside width: various orders
30-foot inside length with 8' 8.5" inside width: B&O N-8 44000-44999 (10'3 eaves height), B&O N-9 20000-23999, 120000-123999 (10'8" eaves height); Pittsburg and Buffalo Co. 1000-1019 (10'8" eaves height)
31'6" inside length: PRR class GL and copies

The Type 2 design can trace back to the five PRR class GM gondolas of 1898. Though not true hoppers, the side construction was similar in a number of ways.
Erie 49000-49999 may be the first PSC straight-sill hoppers, as period references describe other early orders for straight-sill hoppers as "Erie type".
C&A 25000-25009 were 31'6" inside length cars built by PSC circa 1901. These may be PPR class GL copies, or something else completely.

This is a list of the Type 2 cars that I compiled a while back from Eric Neubauer's Pressed Steel builder's list:

1000 Erie 49000-49999 2-3/00
 150 BR&P 14000-14149 00
 400 P&LE 10500-10899 00
 200 PMcK&Y 13550-13749 00
 150 WNY&P 10100-10249 5-9/00
 150 CLS&E 9301-9599o 00  to EJ&E ca 1914
 300 AS&W 1601-2199o 00  to N&SS
 100 DL&W 69900-69999 00
  25 P&RF 3001-3025 00 to MEC 2650-2674
1000 P&R 80000-80999 6-7/01
1000 CNJ 48000-48999 3/01  9'10eh
 150 C&A 25010-25159 01
1000 DL&W 72000-72999 8/02
 500 GT 73000-73499 7-8/03
1000 P&LE 10900-11899 04

   1 UP 11500 3/05 ACF lot 3290

 400 SP 90900-91299
 100 UP 11501-11600
 100 OSL 20601-20700
all Cambria Steel Car 3-5/07

 120 UP 11601-11720
  50 O&W 50000-50049 (Oregon & Washington) to OWR&N 60870-60919
all Cambria Steel Car 1909

 100 SPdeM 14036-14135 PSC 1910


These may be Type 2 hoppers, but I have no hard information:

  20 [PPGCo 101-120 00 PPGX]
  50 [RGW 1227-1276 00 to D&RG 18224-18271 ca 1914]
300 [OSL 6300-6599 11/00 to 20300-20599, 30294-30584]
  10 [ASSCo.14+ 01? American Sheet Trust; to AS&W?]
  70 [MACo 700+792 70 in 01? Michigan Alkali]
  10 [LI&SCo 200-209 01?  9'10eh]
  50 [USCo. 1-50 Union Steel Co. 01?]
  25 [P&RF 3026-3050 02 to MEC 2675-2699]
  20 [MACo 700+792 20 in 02? Michigan Alkali]
  20 [MACo 826-845 04]

David Thompson

This is not really my bailiwick, but don't you have to make a distinction between what the packer could carry in their meat reefers, versus what the billboard adverting was touting?

In Chapter 3 of the Hendrickson and Kaminski billboard reefer book, there are a number of meat-packer cars advertising lard, butter, cheese, eggs and, yes, even Old Dutch Cleanser (in 1929 and 1932 photos of Cudahy cars).

I have never tracked down the 1919 ICC ruling, but it doesn't seem that it was very cut-and-dried.  Or am I missing something?
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Victor,

We pulled a lot of cars of sand out of a large pit at Forreston, IL and it was shipped in both hoppers and gons.   The sand was often wet which kept it from blowing.
In the early 1960's, when Interstate 80 was being built across Illinois, this pit provided both gravel and sand for the project.  There were two grades of gravel, A and B, and
sand.   The IC put on a pit job for a few summers and we would pull 60 to 70 loads out of the pit some days.  We had to line the up the cars; A, B, sand; A, B, sand; A. B, sand;
etc. for the concrete batch plant near Bloomington, IL.    The sand was in hoppers for this job. 

Chet French
Dixon, IL